Re: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

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Steve,

I am so glad these issues are being brought forth by a parent. What makes you think that restraining is not the last resort used at this school? I am sure the women are trained and certified in PCM, and that there are BCBA people involved. I am certain they follow the law,and that the administration is aware of everything. I bet you the teacher is experienced and well trained, and that the students involved have had BPIBs for many years.

The mom here says that this is a classroom with 3rd to 5th grade, in other words, her child has been in school for at least four years. She is clearly able to make comparisons, and she appreciates her kid's teacher.

Are you expecting her to approach the parents of the students who have meltdowns? What do you think she should tell them? If she asks the teacher if she needs help, what do you think the teacher will say? Are you expecting the teacher to say yes, I need help, but my administration or district will not have anyone removed from the room?

What I find disturbing here is that this kid who is able to learn to read and write simply cannot learn in this environment. What about his rights? It must be extremely disturbing for him to witness his peers screaming and being mean to (hitting) their teacher day after day.

The question is what should be done with students who are highfunctioning and have these horrific behaviors?

My advice to the parent here is to send this letter to the school's ESE specialist, autism coach, A.P., principal and the school's superintendent.

H.T.

To: sList Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:55 AMSubject: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

Hello Sandy,Is this in Broward?It is unfortunate that Broward does not do more regarding Behavior Specialists. The qualifications for a District Behavior Specialist do not include Board Certification as an Associate or Behavior Analyst and to the best of my knowledge they do not contract out for Behavior Services, at least not to PCM who is on contract for crisis management. PCM told me that Palm Beach does contract for Behavior consultant services with them, but Broward does not. On top of that Broward laid off many Behavior Specialists last year.This I find disturbing:"One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.)"A child that is restrained "regularly" needs behavior services. A good Behaviorist can provide staff with a great many tools to avoid meltdowns and disruptions and

restraint should be the last resort, and if occurring regularly needs to be addressed. This is State Law.Broward had 459 restraints reported to FDOE last year and the District is on track to reducing that number, if they are reporting accurately. Parents have to be informed within 24 hrs if their child is restrained or secluded.Sounds to me like the teaching staff in that classroom needs some professional Behavior help in developing Behavior Intervention Plans to reduce the meltdowns and restraints.Have you asked the Teacher if she thinks she needs help? Is there adequate number of staff in the classroom? Have you discussed this with any of the other parents?Steve> > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't

seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturbed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do. > > > > Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her.

I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers? > > > > Thanks very much. I'm sorry this got so long.> >

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Steve,

I am so glad these issues are being brought forth by a parent. What makes you think that restraining is not the last resort used at this school? I am sure the women are trained and certified in PCM, and that there are BCBA people involved. I am certain they follow the law,and that the administration is aware of everything. I bet you the teacher is experienced and well trained, and that the students involved have had BPIBs for many years.

The mom here says that this is a classroom with 3rd to 5th grade, in other words, her child has been in school for at least four years. She is clearly able to make comparisons, and she appreciates her kid's teacher.

Are you expecting her to approach the parents of the students who have meltdowns? What do you think she should tell them? If she asks the teacher if she needs help, what do you think the teacher will say? Are you expecting the teacher to say yes, I need help, but my administration or district will not have anyone removed from the room?

What I find disturbing here is that this kid who is able to learn to read and write simply cannot learn in this environment. What about his rights? It must be extremely disturbing for him to witness his peers screaming and being mean to (hitting) their teacher day after day.

The question is what should be done with students who are highfunctioning and have these horrific behaviors?

My advice to the parent here is to send this letter to the school's ESE specialist, autism coach, A.P., principal and the school's superintendent.

H.T.

To: sList Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:55 AMSubject: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

Hello Sandy,Is this in Broward?It is unfortunate that Broward does not do more regarding Behavior Specialists. The qualifications for a District Behavior Specialist do not include Board Certification as an Associate or Behavior Analyst and to the best of my knowledge they do not contract out for Behavior Services, at least not to PCM who is on contract for crisis management. PCM told me that Palm Beach does contract for Behavior consultant services with them, but Broward does not. On top of that Broward laid off many Behavior Specialists last year.This I find disturbing:"One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.)"A child that is restrained "regularly" needs behavior services. A good Behaviorist can provide staff with a great many tools to avoid meltdowns and disruptions and

restraint should be the last resort, and if occurring regularly needs to be addressed. This is State Law.Broward had 459 restraints reported to FDOE last year and the District is on track to reducing that number, if they are reporting accurately. Parents have to be informed within 24 hrs if their child is restrained or secluded.Sounds to me like the teaching staff in that classroom needs some professional Behavior help in developing Behavior Intervention Plans to reduce the meltdowns and restraints.Have you asked the Teacher if she thinks she needs help? Is there adequate number of staff in the classroom? Have you discussed this with any of the other parents?Steve> > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't

seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturbed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do. > > > > Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her.

I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers? > > > > Thanks very much. I'm sorry this got so long.> >

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I am with Steve. 50 schools for every Behavior Specialist does not meet our kids needs. I know of one awesome Behavior Specialist who leave because she was overwhelm with so many schools. No support from the employer. Only a Behavior Specialist can do a good FBA and PBIP and now the ESE Specialist or the Autism Coach are the ones doing the assessment and the plan. We have to ask the District what happen in that department? How are they planning to address this issue with the re-structuring and new organizational structure? Omayra Matamoros, MHSA, JDSend from Mac To: "sList " <sList > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 1:47 AM Subject: Re: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

Steve,

I am so glad these issues are being brought forth by a parent. What makes you think that restraining is not the last resort used at this school? I am sure the women are trained and certified in PCM, and that there are BCBA people involved. I am certain they follow the law,and that the administration is aware of everything. I bet you the teacher is experienced and well trained, and that the students involved have had BPIBs for many years.

The mom here says that this is a classroom with 3rd to 5th grade, in other words, her child has been in school for at least four years. She is clearly able to make comparisons, and she appreciates her kid's teacher.

Are you expecting her to approach the parents of the students who have meltdowns? What do you think she should tell them? If she asks the teacher if she needs help, what do you think the teacher will say? Are you expecting the teacher to say yes, I need help, but my administration or district will not have anyone removed from the room?

What I find disturbing here is that this kid who is able to learn to read and write simply cannot learn in this environment. What about his rights? It must be extremely disturbing for him to witness his peers screaming and being mean to (hitting) their teacher day after day.

The question is what should be done with students who are highfunctioning and have these horrific behaviors?

My advice to the parent here is to send this letter to the school's ESE specialist, autism coach, A.P., principal and the school's superintendent.

H.T.

To: sList Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:55 AMSubject: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

Hello Sandy,Is this in Broward?It is unfortunate that Broward does not do more regarding Behavior Specialists. The qualifications for a District Behavior Specialist do not include Board Certification as an Associate or Behavior Analyst and to the best of my knowledge they do not contract out for Behavior Services, at least not to PCM who is on contract for crisis management. PCM told me that Palm Beach does contract for Behavior consultant services with them, but Broward does not. On top of that Broward laid off many Behavior Specialists last year.This I find disturbing:"One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.)"A child that is restrained "regularly" needs behavior services. A good Behaviorist can provide staff with a great many tools to avoid meltdowns and disruptions and

restraint should be the last resort, and if occurring regularly needs to be addressed. This is State Law.Broward had 459 restraints reported to FDOE last year and the District is on track to reducing that number, if they are reporting accurately. Parents have to be informed within 24 hrs if their child is restrained or secluded.Sounds to me like the teaching staff in that classroom needs some professional Behavior help in developing Behavior Intervention Plans to reduce the meltdowns and restraints.Have you asked the Teacher if she thinks she needs help? Is there adequate number of staff in the classroom? Have you discussed this with any of the other parents?Steve> > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't

seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturbed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do. > > > > Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her.

I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers? > > > > Thanks very much. I'm sorry this got so long.> >

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Thanks Steve, Yes, They do need those services in place. I hope he does get behavior services. They all need it, unfortunately its expensive. A family counselor works with some of them but I'm not impressed with her, unfortunately. They had a really good one last year. They are only there for a little while once per week, though. My son and another classmate say that only the teacher and the autism coach restrain the boy. A parent complained that the Para's didn't help but that is probably because they aren't qualified. I would love for them to have a behaviorist in there all the time. They probably would if it was free. The teacher seems resigned. I haven't actually asked her if she needs help but I asked the ESE Specialist. The ESE Specialist told me that the Autism Coach has a lot of behavior training and is in there a lot and that they have help from the Area office. It isn't working well enough for me, though. I don't know if they have done FBA's and PBIP's. I had to insist in writing that they do that for my son a few years ago. It worked very well. I only found out about it because I went to Family Cafe. The school actually tried to talk me out of it! Its a lot of work for them. If the school won't do it on their own and the the parent's don't know about it.... how does it get solved?There are usually three adults for about 13 kids. They cut one Para last year.

Hello Sandy,

Is this in Broward?

It is unfortunate that Broward does not do more regarding Behavior Specialists. The qualifications for a District Behavior Specialist do not include Board Certification as an Associate or Behavior Analyst and to the best of my knowledge they do not contract out for Behavior Services, at least not to PCM who is on contract for crisis management. PCM told me that Palm Beach does contract for Behavior consultant services with them, but Broward does not. On top of that Broward laid off many Behavior Specialists last year.

This I find disturbing:

"One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.)"

A child that is restrained "regularly" needs behavior services. A good Behaviorist can provide staff with a great many tools to avoid meltdowns and disruptions and restraint should be the last resort, and if occurring regularly needs to be addressed. This is State Law.

Broward had 459 restraints reported to FDOE last year and the District is on track to reducing that number, if they are reporting accurately. Parents have to be informed within 24 hrs if their child is restrained or secluded.

Sounds to me like the teaching staff in that classroom needs some professional Behavior help in developing Behavior Intervention Plans to reduce the meltdowns and restraints.

Have you asked the Teacher if she thinks she needs help? Is there adequate number of staff in the classroom? Have you discussed this with any of the other parents?

Steve

>

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturbed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do.

> >

> > Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her. I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers?

> >

> > Thanks very much. I'm sorry this got so long.

> >

> >

> >

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Thanks Steve, Yes, They do need those services in place. I hope he does get behavior services. They all need it, unfortunately its expensive. A family counselor works with some of them but I'm not impressed with her, unfortunately. They had a really good one last year. They are only there for a little while once per week, though. My son and another classmate say that only the teacher and the autism coach restrain the boy. A parent complained that the Para's didn't help but that is probably because they aren't qualified. I would love for them to have a behaviorist in there all the time. They probably would if it was free. The teacher seems resigned. I haven't actually asked her if she needs help but I asked the ESE Specialist. The ESE Specialist told me that the Autism Coach has a lot of behavior training and is in there a lot and that they have help from the Area office. It isn't working well enough for me, though. I don't know if they have done FBA's and PBIP's. I had to insist in writing that they do that for my son a few years ago. It worked very well. I only found out about it because I went to Family Cafe. The school actually tried to talk me out of it! Its a lot of work for them. If the school won't do it on their own and the the parent's don't know about it.... how does it get solved?There are usually three adults for about 13 kids. They cut one Para last year.

Hello Sandy,

Is this in Broward?

It is unfortunate that Broward does not do more regarding Behavior Specialists. The qualifications for a District Behavior Specialist do not include Board Certification as an Associate or Behavior Analyst and to the best of my knowledge they do not contract out for Behavior Services, at least not to PCM who is on contract for crisis management. PCM told me that Palm Beach does contract for Behavior consultant services with them, but Broward does not. On top of that Broward laid off many Behavior Specialists last year.

This I find disturbing:

"One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.)"

A child that is restrained "regularly" needs behavior services. A good Behaviorist can provide staff with a great many tools to avoid meltdowns and disruptions and restraint should be the last resort, and if occurring regularly needs to be addressed. This is State Law.

Broward had 459 restraints reported to FDOE last year and the District is on track to reducing that number, if they are reporting accurately. Parents have to be informed within 24 hrs if their child is restrained or secluded.

Sounds to me like the teaching staff in that classroom needs some professional Behavior help in developing Behavior Intervention Plans to reduce the meltdowns and restraints.

Have you asked the Teacher if she thinks she needs help? Is there adequate number of staff in the classroom? Have you discussed this with any of the other parents?

Steve

>

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturbed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do.

> >

> > Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her. I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers?

> >

> > Thanks very much. I'm sorry this got so long.

> >

> >

> >

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Thanks Steve, Yes, They do need those services in place. I hope he does get behavior services. They all need it, unfortunately its expensive. A family counselor works with some of them but I'm not impressed with her, unfortunately. They had a really good one last year. They are only there for a little while once per week, though. My son and another classmate say that only the teacher and the autism coach restrain the boy. A parent complained that the Para's didn't help but that is probably because they aren't qualified. I would love for them to have a behaviorist in there all the time. They probably would if it was free. The teacher seems resigned. I haven't actually asked her if she needs help but I asked the ESE Specialist. The ESE Specialist told me that the Autism Coach has a lot of behavior training and is in there a lot and that they have help from the Area office. It isn't working well enough for me, though. I don't know if they have done FBA's and PBIP's. I had to insist in writing that they do that for my son a few years ago. It worked very well. I only found out about it because I went to Family Cafe. The school actually tried to talk me out of it! Its a lot of work for them. If the school won't do it on their own and the the parent's don't know about it.... how does it get solved?There are usually three adults for about 13 kids. They cut one Para last year.

Hello Sandy,

Is this in Broward?

It is unfortunate that Broward does not do more regarding Behavior Specialists. The qualifications for a District Behavior Specialist do not include Board Certification as an Associate or Behavior Analyst and to the best of my knowledge they do not contract out for Behavior Services, at least not to PCM who is on contract for crisis management. PCM told me that Palm Beach does contract for Behavior consultant services with them, but Broward does not. On top of that Broward laid off many Behavior Specialists last year.

This I find disturbing:

"One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.)"

A child that is restrained "regularly" needs behavior services. A good Behaviorist can provide staff with a great many tools to avoid meltdowns and disruptions and restraint should be the last resort, and if occurring regularly needs to be addressed. This is State Law.

Broward had 459 restraints reported to FDOE last year and the District is on track to reducing that number, if they are reporting accurately. Parents have to be informed within 24 hrs if their child is restrained or secluded.

Sounds to me like the teaching staff in that classroom needs some professional Behavior help in developing Behavior Intervention Plans to reduce the meltdowns and restraints.

Have you asked the Teacher if she thinks she needs help? Is there adequate number of staff in the classroom? Have you discussed this with any of the other parents?

Steve

>

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturbed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do.

> >

> > Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her. I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers?

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> > Thanks very much. I'm sorry this got so long.

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Thanks for these remarks. I'm convinced that the restraint is only used as a last resort. My son describes a lot going on before it gets to that point. This is my son's 7th year in Elementary school. No teacher has been bad but some have been able to teach him better than others. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. I can assure you that I really do appreciate this teacher. She is very experienced and has been there for years. I wish she could go to middle school with us. :-) My son loves his teacher and it breaks my heart that he wants out of her class. I haven't actually asked her if she needs help but when I've mentioned the meltdowns she has only made comments like, "Yes, its a little loud in there this year." and, "There are some anger issues going on, but we're dealing with it". She looks uncomfortable but resigned. How can she not need help? I don't think I would say anything to the parents even if I had access. The few I know are trying to help. They probably feel helpless and would probably be embarrassed or and even be offended if I said the wrong thing - just like I was when my son was having significant (but different) behavior problems. I don't know if these kids have had Functional Behavioral Analyses (FBA). It could be that the teacher, assistants, environment, are inadvertently contributing to this problem but the school would have to address that but I doubt that they will. I think parents need to insist on the FBA and PBIP (Positive Behavior Intervention Plan). But they may not know anything about it. I only found out about the FBA by accident when I went to Family Cafe. The schools never mentioned it. When I asked the school the ESE Specialist (a different one) tried to talk me out of it! They complied on the second request because I put it in writing. The teachers were actually inadvertently and unknowingly contributing... but they couldn't see it for themselves because a lot of it was just built into the generally accepted routines. It worked for the other kids...... I have a feeling "Treasure Box" is part the problem in this class. Some kids freak out if they don't earn Treasure Box. I would like to see another class created for these kids maybe with a teacher and a counselor/therapist working together all day. With a different teacher, of course. Would they do OK in a smaller class.... with only other kids who tantrum frequently? I don't know. But if I was their parent I would probably want them with kids who don't have behavior problems so they can have good role models. I wish some parents whose children behave this way would respond so we can get an idea of what is really happening on their end.

Steve,

I am so glad these issues are being brought forth by a parent. What makes you think that restraining is not the last resort used at this school? I am sure the women are trained and certified in PCM, and that there are BCBA people involved. I am certain they follow the law,and that the administration is aware of everything. I bet you the teacher is experienced and well trained, and that the students involved have had BPIBs for many years.

The mom here says that this is a classroom with 3rd to 5th grade, in other words, her child has been in school for at least four years. She is clearly able to make comparisons, and she appreciates her kid's teacher.

Are you expecting her to approach the parents of the students who have meltdowns? What do you think she should tell them? If she asks the teacher if she needs help, what do you think the teacher will say? Are you expecting the teacher to say yes, I need help, but my administration or district will not have anyone removed from the room?

What I find disturbing here is that this kid who is able to learn to read and write simply cannot learn in this environment. What about his rights? It must be extremely disturbing for him to witness his peers screaming and being mean to (hitting) their teacher day after day.

The question is what should be done with students who are highfunctioning and have these horrific behaviors?

My advice to the parent here is to send this letter to the school's ESE specialist, autism coach, A.P., principal and the school's superintendent.

H.T.

To: sList Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:55 AMSubject: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

Hello Sandy,Is this in Broward?It is unfortunate that Broward does not do more regarding Behavior Specialists. The qualifications for a District Behavior Specialist do not include Board Certification as an Associate or Behavior Analyst and to the best of my knowledge they do not contract out for Behavior Services, at least not to PCM who is on contract for crisis management. PCM told me that Palm Beach does contract for Behavior consultant services with them, but Broward does not. On top of that Broward laid off many Behavior Specialists last year.This I find disturbing:"One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.)"A child that is restrained "regularly" needs behavior services. A good Behaviorist can provide staff with a great many tools to avoid meltdowns and disruptions and

restraint should be the last resort, and if occurring regularly needs to be addressed. This is State Law.Broward had 459 restraints reported to FDOE last year and the District is on track to reducing that number, if they are reporting accurately. Parents have to be informed within 24 hrs if their child is restrained or secluded.Sounds to me like the teaching staff in that classroom needs some professional Behavior help in developing Behavior Intervention Plans to reduce the meltdowns and restraints.Have you asked the Teacher if she thinks she needs help? Is there adequate number of staff in the classroom? Have you discussed this with any of the other parents?Steve> > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't

seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturbed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do. > > > > Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her.

I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers? > > > > Thanks very much. I'm sorry this got so long.> >

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Its all about money. The problem with the school personnel doing the assessment is that they can't see their own role in the problem.

I am with Steve. 50 schools for every Behavior Specialist does not meet our kids needs. I know of one awesome Behavior Specialist who leave because she was overwhelm with so many schools. No support from the employer. Only a Behavior Specialist can do a good FBA and PBIP and now the ESE Specialist or the Autism Coach are the ones doing the assessment and the plan. We have to ask the District what happen in that department? How are they planning to address this issue with the re-structuring and new organizational structure? Omayra Matamoros, MHSA, JDSend from Mac To: "sList " <sList > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 1:47 AM Subject: Re: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

Steve,

I am so glad these issues are being brought forth by a parent. What makes you think that restraining is not the last resort used at this school? I am sure the women are trained and certified in PCM, and that there are BCBA people involved. I am certain they follow the law,and that the administration is aware of everything. I bet you the teacher is experienced and well trained, and that the students involved have had BPIBs for many years.

The mom here says that this is a classroom with 3rd to 5th grade, in other words, her child has been in school for at least four years. She is clearly able to make comparisons, and she appreciates her kid's teacher.

Are you expecting her to approach the parents of the students who have meltdowns? What do you think she should tell them? If she asks the teacher if she needs help, what do you think the teacher will say? Are you expecting the teacher to say yes, I need help, but my administration or district will not have anyone removed from the room?

What I find disturbing here is that this kid who is able to learn to read and write simply cannot learn in this environment. What about his rights? It must be extremely disturbing for him to witness his peers screaming and being mean to (hitting) their teacher day after day.

The question is what should be done with students who are highfunctioning and have these horrific behaviors?

My advice to the parent here is to send this letter to the school's ESE specialist, autism coach, A.P., principal and the school's superintendent.

H.T.

To: sList Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:55 AMSubject: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

Hello Sandy,Is this in Broward?It is unfortunate that Broward does not do more regarding Behavior Specialists. The qualifications for a District Behavior Specialist do not include Board Certification as an Associate or Behavior Analyst and to the best of my knowledge they do not contract out for Behavior Services, at least not to PCM who is on contract for crisis management. PCM told me that Palm Beach does contract for Behavior consultant services with them, but Broward does not. On top of that Broward laid off many Behavior Specialists last year.This I find disturbing:"One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.)"A child that is restrained "regularly" needs behavior services. A good Behaviorist can provide staff with a great many tools to avoid meltdowns and disruptions and

restraint should be the last resort, and if occurring regularly needs to be addressed. This is State Law.Broward had 459 restraints reported to FDOE last year and the District is on track to reducing that number, if they are reporting accurately. Parents have to be informed within 24 hrs if their child is restrained or secluded.Sounds to me like the teaching staff in that classroom needs some professional Behavior help in developing Behavior Intervention Plans to reduce the meltdowns and restraints.Have you asked the Teacher if she thinks she needs help? Is there adequate number of staff in the classroom? Have you discussed this with any of the other parents?Steve> > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't

seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturbed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do. > > > > Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her.

I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers? > > > > Thanks very much. I'm sorry this got so long.> >

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Its all about money. The problem with the school personnel doing the assessment is that they can't see their own role in the problem.

I am with Steve. 50 schools for every Behavior Specialist does not meet our kids needs. I know of one awesome Behavior Specialist who leave because she was overwhelm with so many schools. No support from the employer. Only a Behavior Specialist can do a good FBA and PBIP and now the ESE Specialist or the Autism Coach are the ones doing the assessment and the plan. We have to ask the District what happen in that department? How are they planning to address this issue with the re-structuring and new organizational structure? Omayra Matamoros, MHSA, JDSend from Mac To: "sList " <sList > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 1:47 AM Subject: Re: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

Steve,

I am so glad these issues are being brought forth by a parent. What makes you think that restraining is not the last resort used at this school? I am sure the women are trained and certified in PCM, and that there are BCBA people involved. I am certain they follow the law,and that the administration is aware of everything. I bet you the teacher is experienced and well trained, and that the students involved have had BPIBs for many years.

The mom here says that this is a classroom with 3rd to 5th grade, in other words, her child has been in school for at least four years. She is clearly able to make comparisons, and she appreciates her kid's teacher.

Are you expecting her to approach the parents of the students who have meltdowns? What do you think she should tell them? If she asks the teacher if she needs help, what do you think the teacher will say? Are you expecting the teacher to say yes, I need help, but my administration or district will not have anyone removed from the room?

What I find disturbing here is that this kid who is able to learn to read and write simply cannot learn in this environment. What about his rights? It must be extremely disturbing for him to witness his peers screaming and being mean to (hitting) their teacher day after day.

The question is what should be done with students who are highfunctioning and have these horrific behaviors?

My advice to the parent here is to send this letter to the school's ESE specialist, autism coach, A.P., principal and the school's superintendent.

H.T.

To: sList Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:55 AMSubject: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

Hello Sandy,Is this in Broward?It is unfortunate that Broward does not do more regarding Behavior Specialists. The qualifications for a District Behavior Specialist do not include Board Certification as an Associate or Behavior Analyst and to the best of my knowledge they do not contract out for Behavior Services, at least not to PCM who is on contract for crisis management. PCM told me that Palm Beach does contract for Behavior consultant services with them, but Broward does not. On top of that Broward laid off many Behavior Specialists last year.This I find disturbing:"One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.)"A child that is restrained "regularly" needs behavior services. A good Behaviorist can provide staff with a great many tools to avoid meltdowns and disruptions and

restraint should be the last resort, and if occurring regularly needs to be addressed. This is State Law.Broward had 459 restraints reported to FDOE last year and the District is on track to reducing that number, if they are reporting accurately. Parents have to be informed within 24 hrs if their child is restrained or secluded.Sounds to me like the teaching staff in that classroom needs some professional Behavior help in developing Behavior Intervention Plans to reduce the meltdowns and restraints.Have you asked the Teacher if she thinks she needs help? Is there adequate number of staff in the classroom? Have you discussed this with any of the other parents?Steve> > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't

seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturbed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do. > > > > Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her.

I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers? > > > > Thanks very much. I'm sorry this got so long.> >

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Its all about money. The problem with the school personnel doing the assessment is that they can't see their own role in the problem.

I am with Steve. 50 schools for every Behavior Specialist does not meet our kids needs. I know of one awesome Behavior Specialist who leave because she was overwhelm with so many schools. No support from the employer. Only a Behavior Specialist can do a good FBA and PBIP and now the ESE Specialist or the Autism Coach are the ones doing the assessment and the plan. We have to ask the District what happen in that department? How are they planning to address this issue with the re-structuring and new organizational structure? Omayra Matamoros, MHSA, JDSend from Mac To: "sList " <sList > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 1:47 AM Subject: Re: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

Steve,

I am so glad these issues are being brought forth by a parent. What makes you think that restraining is not the last resort used at this school? I am sure the women are trained and certified in PCM, and that there are BCBA people involved. I am certain they follow the law,and that the administration is aware of everything. I bet you the teacher is experienced and well trained, and that the students involved have had BPIBs for many years.

The mom here says that this is a classroom with 3rd to 5th grade, in other words, her child has been in school for at least four years. She is clearly able to make comparisons, and she appreciates her kid's teacher.

Are you expecting her to approach the parents of the students who have meltdowns? What do you think she should tell them? If she asks the teacher if she needs help, what do you think the teacher will say? Are you expecting the teacher to say yes, I need help, but my administration or district will not have anyone removed from the room?

What I find disturbing here is that this kid who is able to learn to read and write simply cannot learn in this environment. What about his rights? It must be extremely disturbing for him to witness his peers screaming and being mean to (hitting) their teacher day after day.

The question is what should be done with students who are highfunctioning and have these horrific behaviors?

My advice to the parent here is to send this letter to the school's ESE specialist, autism coach, A.P., principal and the school's superintendent.

H.T.

To: sList Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:55 AMSubject: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

Hello Sandy,Is this in Broward?It is unfortunate that Broward does not do more regarding Behavior Specialists. The qualifications for a District Behavior Specialist do not include Board Certification as an Associate or Behavior Analyst and to the best of my knowledge they do not contract out for Behavior Services, at least not to PCM who is on contract for crisis management. PCM told me that Palm Beach does contract for Behavior consultant services with them, but Broward does not. On top of that Broward laid off many Behavior Specialists last year.This I find disturbing:"One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.)"A child that is restrained "regularly" needs behavior services. A good Behaviorist can provide staff with a great many tools to avoid meltdowns and disruptions and

restraint should be the last resort, and if occurring regularly needs to be addressed. This is State Law.Broward had 459 restraints reported to FDOE last year and the District is on track to reducing that number, if they are reporting accurately. Parents have to be informed within 24 hrs if their child is restrained or secluded.Sounds to me like the teaching staff in that classroom needs some professional Behavior help in developing Behavior Intervention Plans to reduce the meltdowns and restraints.Have you asked the Teacher if she thinks she needs help? Is there adequate number of staff in the classroom? Have you discussed this with any of the other parents?Steve> > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't

seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturbed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do. > > > > Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her.

I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers? > > > > Thanks very much. I'm sorry this got so long.> >

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I've just been communicating with a couple of other parents and I'm very uncomfortable with what I've been hearing about things going on in that class. I really hope its due to to the teacher's misconceptions and desperation. I think/hope she's just doing things with good intentions that aren't helping. They are creating stress and bad habits. The other moms see her the same way. I will be sick if we're wrong. I'm definitely writing some letters and I'm going to copy in supervisors several levels up. A couple of parents were told at school that nothing can be done.... that means the school Admin and maybe even the Area are not behind the teachers with this behavior stuff. Qualified outside people need to get involved now.... maybe even someone to look at the school administration. Thanks for your support.

Hi Sandy,

"If they misbehave they lose treasure box but if they lose Treasure Box they tantrum."

THIS IS BAD PROCEDURE. Negative reinforcement is not errorless teaching. There should not be negative reinforcement, only positive reinforcement. This is basic behavior management, this classroom needs a Qualified Behavior Specialist to address classroom behavior policies.

No wonder they have problems.

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> I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturbed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do.

> Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her. I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers?

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I've just been communicating with a couple of other parents and I'm very uncomfortable with what I've been hearing about things going on in that class. I really hope its due to to the teacher's misconceptions and desperation. I think/hope she's just doing things with good intentions that aren't helping. They are creating stress and bad habits. The other moms see her the same way. I will be sick if we're wrong. I'm definitely writing some letters and I'm going to copy in supervisors several levels up. A couple of parents were told at school that nothing can be done.... that means the school Admin and maybe even the Area are not behind the teachers with this behavior stuff. Qualified outside people need to get involved now.... maybe even someone to look at the school administration. Thanks for your support.

Hi Sandy,

"If they misbehave they lose treasure box but if they lose Treasure Box they tantrum."

THIS IS BAD PROCEDURE. Negative reinforcement is not errorless teaching. There should not be negative reinforcement, only positive reinforcement. This is basic behavior management, this classroom needs a Qualified Behavior Specialist to address classroom behavior policies.

No wonder they have problems.

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> Hello everyone,

> I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturbed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do.

> Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her. I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers?

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I've just been communicating with a couple of other parents and I'm very uncomfortable with what I've been hearing about things going on in that class. I really hope its due to to the teacher's misconceptions and desperation. I think/hope she's just doing things with good intentions that aren't helping. They are creating stress and bad habits. The other moms see her the same way. I will be sick if we're wrong. I'm definitely writing some letters and I'm going to copy in supervisors several levels up. A couple of parents were told at school that nothing can be done.... that means the school Admin and maybe even the Area are not behind the teachers with this behavior stuff. Qualified outside people need to get involved now.... maybe even someone to look at the school administration. Thanks for your support.

Hi Sandy,

"If they misbehave they lose treasure box but if they lose Treasure Box they tantrum."

THIS IS BAD PROCEDURE. Negative reinforcement is not errorless teaching. There should not be negative reinforcement, only positive reinforcement. This is basic behavior management, this classroom needs a Qualified Behavior Specialist to address classroom behavior policies.

No wonder they have problems.

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> I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturbed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do.

> Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her. I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers?

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Hi Sandy,I am very new to this but I read everything I can to learn the most I can. My son is only two and he was diagnosed a little over a month ago. Isn't your situation something that the CARD office would help you with?Just wondering if that would help. ThanksMargaretSent from my iPhone

I've just been communicating with a couple of other parents and I'm very uncomfortable with what I've been hearing about things going on in that class. I really hope its due to to the teacher's misconceptions and desperation. I think/hope she's just doing things with good intentions that aren't helping. They are creating stress and bad habits. The other moms see her the same way. I will be sick if we're wrong. I'm definitely writing some letters and I'm going to copy in supervisors several levels up. A couple of parents were told at school that nothing can be done.... that means the school Admin and maybe even the Area are not behind the teachers with this behavior stuff. Qualified outside people need to get involved now.... maybe even some

one to look at the school administration. Thanks for your support.

Hi Sandy,

"If they misbehave they lose treasure box but if they lose Treasure Box they tantrum."

THIS IS BAD PROCEDURE. Negative reinforcement is not errorless teaching. There should not be negative reinforcement, only positive reinforcement. This is basic behavior management, this classroom needs a Qualified Behavior Specialist to address classroom behavior policies.

No wonder they have problems.

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> I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturb

ed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do.

> Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her. I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers?

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Hi Sandy,I am very new to this but I read everything I can to learn the most I can. My son is only two and he was diagnosed a little over a month ago. Isn't your situation something that the CARD office would help you with?Just wondering if that would help. ThanksMargaretSent from my iPhone

I've just been communicating with a couple of other parents and I'm very uncomfortable with what I've been hearing about things going on in that class. I really hope its due to to the teacher's misconceptions and desperation. I think/hope she's just doing things with good intentions that aren't helping. They are creating stress and bad habits. The other moms see her the same way. I will be sick if we're wrong. I'm definitely writing some letters and I'm going to copy in supervisors several levels up. A couple of parents were told at school that nothing can be done.... that means the school Admin and maybe even the Area are not behind the teachers with this behavior stuff. Qualified outside people need to get involved now.... maybe even some

one to look at the school administration. Thanks for your support.

Hi Sandy,

"If they misbehave they lose treasure box but if they lose Treasure Box they tantrum."

THIS IS BAD PROCEDURE. Negative reinforcement is not errorless teaching. There should not be negative reinforcement, only positive reinforcement. This is basic behavior management, this classroom needs a Qualified Behavior Specialist to address classroom behavior policies.

No wonder they have problems.

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> I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturb

ed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do.

> Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her. I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers?

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Hi Sandy,I am very new to this but I read everything I can to learn the most I can. My son is only two and he was diagnosed a little over a month ago. Isn't your situation something that the CARD office would help you with?Just wondering if that would help. ThanksMargaretSent from my iPhone

I've just been communicating with a couple of other parents and I'm very uncomfortable with what I've been hearing about things going on in that class. I really hope its due to to the teacher's misconceptions and desperation. I think/hope she's just doing things with good intentions that aren't helping. They are creating stress and bad habits. The other moms see her the same way. I will be sick if we're wrong. I'm definitely writing some letters and I'm going to copy in supervisors several levels up. A couple of parents were told at school that nothing can be done.... that means the school Admin and maybe even the Area are not behind the teachers with this behavior stuff. Qualified outside people need to get involved now.... maybe even some

one to look at the school administration. Thanks for your support.

Hi Sandy,

"If they misbehave they lose treasure box but if they lose Treasure Box they tantrum."

THIS IS BAD PROCEDURE. Negative reinforcement is not errorless teaching. There should not be negative reinforcement, only positive reinforcement. This is basic behavior management, this classroom needs a Qualified Behavior Specialist to address classroom behavior policies.

No wonder they have problems.

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> I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturb

ed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do.

> Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her. I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers?

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I've been wondering about that. I am not involved with Card right now. I may call them tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion. :-)

Hi Sandy,I am very new to this but I read everything I can to learn the most I can. My son is only two and he was diagnosed a little over a month ago. Isn't your situation something that the CARD office would help you with?Just wondering if that would help. ThanksMargaretSent from my iPhone

I've just been communicating with a couple of other parents and I'm very uncomfortable with what I've been hearing about things going on in that class. I really hope its due to to the teacher's misconceptions and desperation. I think/hope she's just doing things with good intentions that aren't helping. They are creating stress and bad habits. The other moms see her the same way. I will be sick if we're wrong. I'm definitely writing some letters and I'm going to copy in supervisors several levels up. A couple of parents were told at school that nothing can be done.... that means the school Admin and maybe even the Area are not behind the teachers with this behavior stuff. Qualified outside people need to get involved now.... maybe even some

one to look at the school administration. Thanks for your support.

Hi Sandy,

"If they misbehave they lose treasure box but if they lose Treasure Box they tantrum."

THIS IS BAD PROCEDURE. Negative reinforcement is not errorless teaching. There should not be negative reinforcement, only positive reinforcement. This is basic behavior management, this classroom needs a Qualified Behavior Specialist to address classroom behavior policies.

No wonder they have problems.

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> I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturb

ed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do.

> Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her. I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers?

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I've been wondering about that. I am not involved with Card right now. I may call them tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion. :-)

Hi Sandy,I am very new to this but I read everything I can to learn the most I can. My son is only two and he was diagnosed a little over a month ago. Isn't your situation something that the CARD office would help you with?Just wondering if that would help. ThanksMargaretSent from my iPhone

I've just been communicating with a couple of other parents and I'm very uncomfortable with what I've been hearing about things going on in that class. I really hope its due to to the teacher's misconceptions and desperation. I think/hope she's just doing things with good intentions that aren't helping. They are creating stress and bad habits. The other moms see her the same way. I will be sick if we're wrong. I'm definitely writing some letters and I'm going to copy in supervisors several levels up. A couple of parents were told at school that nothing can be done.... that means the school Admin and maybe even the Area are not behind the teachers with this behavior stuff. Qualified outside people need to get involved now.... maybe even some

one to look at the school administration. Thanks for your support.

Hi Sandy,

"If they misbehave they lose treasure box but if they lose Treasure Box they tantrum."

THIS IS BAD PROCEDURE. Negative reinforcement is not errorless teaching. There should not be negative reinforcement, only positive reinforcement. This is basic behavior management, this classroom needs a Qualified Behavior Specialist to address classroom behavior policies.

No wonder they have problems.

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> I hope some of you will make suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturb

ed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do.

> Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her. I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers?

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I've been wondering about that. I am not involved with Card right now. I may call them tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion. :-)

Hi Sandy,I am very new to this but I read everything I can to learn the most I can. My son is only two and he was diagnosed a little over a month ago. Isn't your situation something that the CARD office would help you with?Just wondering if that would help. ThanksMargaretSent from my iPhone

I've just been communicating with a couple of other parents and I'm very uncomfortable with what I've been hearing about things going on in that class. I really hope its due to to the teacher's misconceptions and desperation. I think/hope she's just doing things with good intentions that aren't helping. They are creating stress and bad habits. The other moms see her the same way. I will be sick if we're wrong. I'm definitely writing some letters and I'm going to copy in supervisors several levels up. A couple of parents were told at school that nothing can be done.... that means the school Admin and maybe even the Area are not behind the teachers with this behavior stuff. Qualified outside people need to get involved now.... maybe even some

one to look at the school administration. Thanks for your support.

Hi Sandy,

"If they misbehave they lose treasure box but if they lose Treasure Box they tantrum."

THIS IS BAD PROCEDURE. Negative reinforcement is not errorless teaching. There should not be negative reinforcement, only positive reinforcement. This is basic behavior management, this classroom needs a Qualified Behavior Specialist to address classroom behavior policies.

No wonder they have problems.

Steve

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ed by all of this behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do.

> Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her. I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers?

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Sandy,

you said previously that you child was in general ed and that he now is in a high functioning cluster class. I get the feeling that he never really had any significant behavior problems like those you describe he has to witness in his class, am I right?

If so, why did you want the school to write an FBA on him? A functional behavior assessment is written for kids who need a formal behavior plan, also known as a PBIP. The FBA is written first and then the results of this assessment is implemented in the PBIP. I don't understand why you wanted an FBA unless he had significant behaviors? Did he have SIBs (self injurious behaviors) earlier on? Unless he has significant behaviors, ordinary classroom managent plans are usually put in place to "nip behaviors in the bud" before they get bigger. I have a feeling that this is what your school tried to tell you when they hesitated to write an FBA.

Many parents do not like having a PBIP attached to his IEP. There is a certain stigma here and parents (and educators) may be afraid it could prevent the child from entering certain private schools should the parent later on want to place their child there. Anyone who reads the child's IEP can see that there is a PBIP and although they may not tell you directly, there are some private organizations/schools that will not accept students with PBIPs. I have one friend who has a private school for kids with disabilities, and she does not want to receive kids with PBIPs in her daytime program or her aftercare program. EasyIEP is online and those with access can go back and read everything there is from day one. Having a PBIP tells people that the child has had or still has serious behavior problems BEYOND what can be handled by ordinary classroom management

strategies. In 99% of all cases, we are now talking about aggression, such as hitting, scratching, kicking and biting other children, tantrumming, throwing furniture, and also SIBs. In other words DANGER. Can you see now Sandy, that if your child did not have serious issues like these, the school may have hesitated to write the FBA?

You are right, a PBIP is labor intensive in that when implemented correctly all the parties or the team (which includes the parents) need to meet often to adjust the plan. However, it has always been my experience that it is extra pressure on the working mom and dad we refer to when we say "labor intensive", not the school.

All students who are restrained (using PCM, or Professional Crisis Management) have an FBA and a PBIP in place. I bet the students in your child's class have aspergers paired with EBD (emotional behavior disorder). They are probably highly verbal ? (just ask your son). If so, this is a very difficult issue in that they often are unable to participate in gen ed classes (due to disruptive behaviors) and the only other place they can be is in an EBD cluster. If the behaviors are new, it could be because these kids were mainstreamed until recently, and perhaps they have been moved back to more cluster time because their behaviors have increased. Contrary to common belief, disruptive behaviors do not decrease around this time of the year, like one member here said. No, these behaviors increase now that it is FCAt time again. Fcat writing started today.

If you decide to discuss this with your kid's teacher, how are you going to approach it? Are you planning to suggest that the PBIP kids are being moved out, and if so, where should they go? What do you think their parents will feel about that? I would think that some of these parents are members here on this list.

If you suggest that your son should be removed, then where would you like him to go? To another school? I am sure you realize how difficult this is.

I have discussed this issue with a hundred ( yeah, really) or so teachers around the USA since I first read about this, and the only solution we can come up with right now would be to have your autism coach take the loud kids with her to another classroom during reading and math. This would ensure that the other kids get to focus on their academics and prepare for the FCAT with their classroom teacher. Your principal may object to this only because there are probably no empty classrooms available in your school. However, your principal should be willing to try this because he/she wants good FCAT scores and no more problems from you parents. In addition, he/she does not need to pay any extra for having the autism coach do this (she is there anyway). Your poor teacher will be thrilled because she is sick and tired of not getting to teach. She is really the one who gets burned out

here.

You may want to refer to the kids who need to be restrained as the "loud and disruptive children". You owe it to your school to send a letter or e-mail to your AP, principal and ESE specialist requesting these changes before you take it higher up. I would urge you not to tell anyone who you are. You may send a regular letter to the school and apologize for not telling them your name. After all, you are a concerened parent who is looking out for her child and extremely worried about his academic progress ( it does not matter if he is taking the FCAT or the FAA). Both tests are important to you, to him and to the school district. You do not mean to harm anyone.

You can do it! Thanks for making a difference.

H.T.

To: sList Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:54 PMSubject: Re: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

I've been wondering about that. I am not involved with Card right now. I may call them tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion. :-)

Hi Sandy,

I am very new to this but I read everything I can to learn the most I can. My son is only two and he was diagnosed a little over a month ago. Isn't your situation something that the CARD office would help you with?

Just wondering if that would help.

Thanks

MargaretSent from my iPhone

I've just been communicating with a couple of other parents and I'm very uncomfortable with what I've been hearing about things going on in that class. I really hope its due to to the teacher's misconceptions and desperation. I think/hope she's just doing things with good intentions that aren't helping. They are creating stress and bad habits. The other moms see her the same way. I will be sick if we're wrong.

I'm definitely writing some letters and I'm going to copy in supervisors several levels up. A couple of parents were told at school that nothing can be done.... that means the school Admin and maybe even the Area are not behind the teachers with this behavior stuff. Qualified outside people need to get involved now.... maybe even some one to look at the school administration.

Thanks for your support.

Hi Sandy,"If they misbehave they lose treasure box but if they lose Treasure Box they tantrum."THIS IS BAD PROCEDURE. Negative reinforcement is not errorless teaching. There should not be negative reinforcement, only positive reinforcement. This is basic behavior management, this classroom needs a Qualified Behavior Specialist to address classroom behavior policies.No wonder they have problems.Steve> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > I hope some of you will make

suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturb ed by all of this

behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do. > Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her. I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he

likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers? > Thanks very much. I'm sorry this got so long.> > > > > > > > > > > > > =>

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Sandy,

you said previously that you child was in general ed and that he now is in a high functioning cluster class. I get the feeling that he never really had any significant behavior problems like those you describe he has to witness in his class, am I right?

If so, why did you want the school to write an FBA on him? A functional behavior assessment is written for kids who need a formal behavior plan, also known as a PBIP. The FBA is written first and then the results of this assessment is implemented in the PBIP. I don't understand why you wanted an FBA unless he had significant behaviors? Did he have SIBs (self injurious behaviors) earlier on? Unless he has significant behaviors, ordinary classroom managent plans are usually put in place to "nip behaviors in the bud" before they get bigger. I have a feeling that this is what your school tried to tell you when they hesitated to write an FBA.

Many parents do not like having a PBIP attached to his IEP. There is a certain stigma here and parents (and educators) may be afraid it could prevent the child from entering certain private schools should the parent later on want to place their child there. Anyone who reads the child's IEP can see that there is a PBIP and although they may not tell you directly, there are some private organizations/schools that will not accept students with PBIPs. I have one friend who has a private school for kids with disabilities, and she does not want to receive kids with PBIPs in her daytime program or her aftercare program. EasyIEP is online and those with access can go back and read everything there is from day one. Having a PBIP tells people that the child has had or still has serious behavior problems BEYOND what can be handled by ordinary classroom management

strategies. In 99% of all cases, we are now talking about aggression, such as hitting, scratching, kicking and biting other children, tantrumming, throwing furniture, and also SIBs. In other words DANGER. Can you see now Sandy, that if your child did not have serious issues like these, the school may have hesitated to write the FBA?

You are right, a PBIP is labor intensive in that when implemented correctly all the parties or the team (which includes the parents) need to meet often to adjust the plan. However, it has always been my experience that it is extra pressure on the working mom and dad we refer to when we say "labor intensive", not the school.

All students who are restrained (using PCM, or Professional Crisis Management) have an FBA and a PBIP in place. I bet the students in your child's class have aspergers paired with EBD (emotional behavior disorder). They are probably highly verbal ? (just ask your son). If so, this is a very difficult issue in that they often are unable to participate in gen ed classes (due to disruptive behaviors) and the only other place they can be is in an EBD cluster. If the behaviors are new, it could be because these kids were mainstreamed until recently, and perhaps they have been moved back to more cluster time because their behaviors have increased. Contrary to common belief, disruptive behaviors do not decrease around this time of the year, like one member here said. No, these behaviors increase now that it is FCAt time again. Fcat writing started today.

If you decide to discuss this with your kid's teacher, how are you going to approach it? Are you planning to suggest that the PBIP kids are being moved out, and if so, where should they go? What do you think their parents will feel about that? I would think that some of these parents are members here on this list.

If you suggest that your son should be removed, then where would you like him to go? To another school? I am sure you realize how difficult this is.

I have discussed this issue with a hundred ( yeah, really) or so teachers around the USA since I first read about this, and the only solution we can come up with right now would be to have your autism coach take the loud kids with her to another classroom during reading and math. This would ensure that the other kids get to focus on their academics and prepare for the FCAT with their classroom teacher. Your principal may object to this only because there are probably no empty classrooms available in your school. However, your principal should be willing to try this because he/she wants good FCAT scores and no more problems from you parents. In addition, he/she does not need to pay any extra for having the autism coach do this (she is there anyway). Your poor teacher will be thrilled because she is sick and tired of not getting to teach. She is really the one who gets burned out

here.

You may want to refer to the kids who need to be restrained as the "loud and disruptive children". You owe it to your school to send a letter or e-mail to your AP, principal and ESE specialist requesting these changes before you take it higher up. I would urge you not to tell anyone who you are. You may send a regular letter to the school and apologize for not telling them your name. After all, you are a concerened parent who is looking out for her child and extremely worried about his academic progress ( it does not matter if he is taking the FCAT or the FAA). Both tests are important to you, to him and to the school district. You do not mean to harm anyone.

You can do it! Thanks for making a difference.

H.T.

To: sList Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:54 PMSubject: Re: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

I've been wondering about that. I am not involved with Card right now. I may call them tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion. :-)

Hi Sandy,

I am very new to this but I read everything I can to learn the most I can. My son is only two and he was diagnosed a little over a month ago. Isn't your situation something that the CARD office would help you with?

Just wondering if that would help.

Thanks

MargaretSent from my iPhone

I've just been communicating with a couple of other parents and I'm very uncomfortable with what I've been hearing about things going on in that class. I really hope its due to to the teacher's misconceptions and desperation. I think/hope she's just doing things with good intentions that aren't helping. They are creating stress and bad habits. The other moms see her the same way. I will be sick if we're wrong.

I'm definitely writing some letters and I'm going to copy in supervisors several levels up. A couple of parents were told at school that nothing can be done.... that means the school Admin and maybe even the Area are not behind the teachers with this behavior stuff. Qualified outside people need to get involved now.... maybe even some one to look at the school administration.

Thanks for your support.

Hi Sandy,"If they misbehave they lose treasure box but if they lose Treasure Box they tantrum."THIS IS BAD PROCEDURE. Negative reinforcement is not errorless teaching. There should not be negative reinforcement, only positive reinforcement. This is basic behavior management, this classroom needs a Qualified Behavior Specialist to address classroom behavior policies.No wonder they have problems.Steve> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > I hope some of you will make

suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturb ed by all of this

behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do. > Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her. I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he

likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers? > Thanks very much. I'm sorry this got so long.> > > > > > > > > > > > > =>

[Guest guest]

Sandy,

you said previously that you child was in general ed and that he now is in a high functioning cluster class. I get the feeling that he never really had any significant behavior problems like those you describe he has to witness in his class, am I right?

If so, why did you want the school to write an FBA on him? A functional behavior assessment is written for kids who need a formal behavior plan, also known as a PBIP. The FBA is written first and then the results of this assessment is implemented in the PBIP. I don't understand why you wanted an FBA unless he had significant behaviors? Did he have SIBs (self injurious behaviors) earlier on? Unless he has significant behaviors, ordinary classroom managent plans are usually put in place to "nip behaviors in the bud" before they get bigger. I have a feeling that this is what your school tried to tell you when they hesitated to write an FBA.

Many parents do not like having a PBIP attached to his IEP. There is a certain stigma here and parents (and educators) may be afraid it could prevent the child from entering certain private schools should the parent later on want to place their child there. Anyone who reads the child's IEP can see that there is a PBIP and although they may not tell you directly, there are some private organizations/schools that will not accept students with PBIPs. I have one friend who has a private school for kids with disabilities, and she does not want to receive kids with PBIPs in her daytime program or her aftercare program. EasyIEP is online and those with access can go back and read everything there is from day one. Having a PBIP tells people that the child has had or still has serious behavior problems BEYOND what can be handled by ordinary classroom management

strategies. In 99% of all cases, we are now talking about aggression, such as hitting, scratching, kicking and biting other children, tantrumming, throwing furniture, and also SIBs. In other words DANGER. Can you see now Sandy, that if your child did not have serious issues like these, the school may have hesitated to write the FBA?

You are right, a PBIP is labor intensive in that when implemented correctly all the parties or the team (which includes the parents) need to meet often to adjust the plan. However, it has always been my experience that it is extra pressure on the working mom and dad we refer to when we say "labor intensive", not the school.

All students who are restrained (using PCM, or Professional Crisis Management) have an FBA and a PBIP in place. I bet the students in your child's class have aspergers paired with EBD (emotional behavior disorder). They are probably highly verbal ? (just ask your son). If so, this is a very difficult issue in that they often are unable to participate in gen ed classes (due to disruptive behaviors) and the only other place they can be is in an EBD cluster. If the behaviors are new, it could be because these kids were mainstreamed until recently, and perhaps they have been moved back to more cluster time because their behaviors have increased. Contrary to common belief, disruptive behaviors do not decrease around this time of the year, like one member here said. No, these behaviors increase now that it is FCAt time again. Fcat writing started today.

If you decide to discuss this with your kid's teacher, how are you going to approach it? Are you planning to suggest that the PBIP kids are being moved out, and if so, where should they go? What do you think their parents will feel about that? I would think that some of these parents are members here on this list.

If you suggest that your son should be removed, then where would you like him to go? To another school? I am sure you realize how difficult this is.

I have discussed this issue with a hundred ( yeah, really) or so teachers around the USA since I first read about this, and the only solution we can come up with right now would be to have your autism coach take the loud kids with her to another classroom during reading and math. This would ensure that the other kids get to focus on their academics and prepare for the FCAT with their classroom teacher. Your principal may object to this only because there are probably no empty classrooms available in your school. However, your principal should be willing to try this because he/she wants good FCAT scores and no more problems from you parents. In addition, he/she does not need to pay any extra for having the autism coach do this (she is there anyway). Your poor teacher will be thrilled because she is sick and tired of not getting to teach. She is really the one who gets burned out

here.

You may want to refer to the kids who need to be restrained as the "loud and disruptive children". You owe it to your school to send a letter or e-mail to your AP, principal and ESE specialist requesting these changes before you take it higher up. I would urge you not to tell anyone who you are. You may send a regular letter to the school and apologize for not telling them your name. After all, you are a concerened parent who is looking out for her child and extremely worried about his academic progress ( it does not matter if he is taking the FCAT or the FAA). Both tests are important to you, to him and to the school district. You do not mean to harm anyone.

You can do it! Thanks for making a difference.

H.T.

To: sList Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:54 PMSubject: Re: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

I've been wondering about that. I am not involved with Card right now. I may call them tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion. :-)

Hi Sandy,

I am very new to this but I read everything I can to learn the most I can. My son is only two and he was diagnosed a little over a month ago. Isn't your situation something that the CARD office would help you with?

Just wondering if that would help.

Thanks

MargaretSent from my iPhone

I've just been communicating with a couple of other parents and I'm very uncomfortable with what I've been hearing about things going on in that class. I really hope its due to to the teacher's misconceptions and desperation. I think/hope she's just doing things with good intentions that aren't helping. They are creating stress and bad habits. The other moms see her the same way. I will be sick if we're wrong.

I'm definitely writing some letters and I'm going to copy in supervisors several levels up. A couple of parents were told at school that nothing can be done.... that means the school Admin and maybe even the Area are not behind the teachers with this behavior stuff. Qualified outside people need to get involved now.... maybe even some one to look at the school administration.

Thanks for your support.

Hi Sandy,"If they misbehave they lose treasure box but if they lose Treasure Box they tantrum."THIS IS BAD PROCEDURE. Negative reinforcement is not errorless teaching. There should not be negative reinforcement, only positive reinforcement. This is basic behavior management, this classroom needs a Qualified Behavior Specialist to address classroom behavior policies.No wonder they have problems.Steve> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > I hope some of you will make

suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturb ed by all of this

behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he doesn't want to go to school at all. He told me he is expected to just focus on his work while all of this is going on. He said, "But we can't, Mom!" Evidently it happens often and throughout the day. He was so happy and relaxed the day before vacation because no one had tantrums. It was the first thing he said when he got off the bus. The class basically played and partied that day and no one was required to do any work they didn't want to do. > Is there anything I can do to help my son without pushing to have him removed from that class? The teacher happens to be excellent with academics and very good with my son and I don't want to take him away from her. I know he learns reading and math better from her than he would with the VE teacher he would have were he moved out of the cluster. My son loves school except for these "meltdowns". A couple of those kids are his friends and he

likes them a lot when they aren't screaming, kicking kids, or hitting the teacher. I've heard of parents getting funding for specific kinds of help but I don't really know how to go about it or even what specifically is needed. I really don't want the teacher to be hurt by anything I do about this. She is a very good teacher and a nice person. I do try to put myself in the place of the classmate's parents. My son has had his own behavior problems in the past and I do sympathize. I know these explosive kids need to be taught, too and they also need examples for good behavior.... but my child is so stressed.... (sigh) Are there any answers? > Thanks very much. I'm sorry this got so long.> > > > > > > > > > > > > =>

[Guest guest]

I don't know, but i really doubt that the school agreed to perform the FBA just to appease a parent and from Sandy's email it seems that a behavior plan was developed after the FBA...which means there were challenges not being addressed. If the FBA had found nothing of value, what would be entered in this kid's IEP that could raise a red flag to whoever decided to check it? I don't get your point. If my kid needed help and the school wasn't doing enough I wouldn't care what kind of info went into his record...if anything I would be glad to have it be a testimony to the school's disregard and failure to comply with child find. And along with a note that an FBA has been performed and a behavioral plan formulated, the results from the assessment would be part of the IEP along with the techniques that were being used, right? So there should be no reason to wonder how "bad" things were...and if things were that "bad"...there should also be progress reports showing how well the kid was responding.About the removal of kids with behavioral plans from the classroom, parents aren't really the ones making the choice, so why would she have a suggestion? The school administration needs to find the problem and act accordingly, be it to send the kids to another school or another classroom. These kids are wrongly placed and we aren't doing them any favors keeping things the way they are. I've met plenty of parents who were clueless as to what went on with their kids in the classroom, it's sad but true. Yes, they're getting in the way of other children's instruction but they can't be learning much themselves, can they? If, as you propose, the autism coach take the "loud" kids to another room during math and reading, what happens to them? When do they get to have their math time and 90-min reading block? With the coach? It seemed to me that it's not only 1 or 2 kids... Would the coach be able to handle the kids on her own? What if she's needed somewhere else in the school, she's not a sub teacher, she has her own duties to perform every day and what with all the budget cuts I doubt she has an assistant or any kind of help.Also, personally, I would refer to the "loud" kids as "the ones that are clearly misplaced and not receiving meaningful instruction". To call them "loud"...I'm appalled.Sent from a's iPhone

Sandy,

you said previously that you child was in general ed and that he now is in a high functioning cluster class. I get the feeling that he never really had any significant behavior problems like those you describe he has to witness in his class, am I right?

If so, why did you want the school to write an FBA on him? A functional behavior assessment is written for kids who need a formal behavior plan, also known as a PBIP. The FBA is written first and then the results of this assessment is implemented in the PBIP. I don't understand why you wanted an FBA unless he had significant behaviors? Did he have SIBs (self injurious behaviors) earlier on? Unless he has significant behaviors, ordinary classroom managent plans are usually put in place to "nip behaviors in the bud" before they get bigger. I have a feeling that this is what your school tried to tell you when they hesitated to write an FBA.

Many parents do not like having a PBIP attached to his IEP. There is a certain stigma here and parents (and educators) may be afraid it could prevent the child from entering certain private schools should the parent later on want to place their child there. Anyone who reads the child's IEP can see that there is a PBIP and although they may not tell you directly, there are some private organizations/schools that will not accept students with PBIPs. I have one friend who has a private school for kids with disabilities, and she does not want to receive kids with PBIPs in her daytime program or her aftercare program. EasyIEP is online and those with access can go back and read everything there is from day one. Having a PBIP tells people that the child has had or still has serious behavior problems BEYOND what can be handled by ordinary classroom management

strategies. In 99% of all cases, we are now talking about aggression, such as hitting, scratching, kicking and biting other children, tantrumming, throwing furniture, and also SIBs. In other words DANGER. Can you see now Sandy, that if your child did not have serious issues like these, the school may have hesitated to write the FBA?

You are right, a PBIP is labor intensive in that when implemented correctly all the parties or the team (which includes the parents) need to meet often to adjust the plan. However, it has always been my experience that it is extra pressure on the working mom and dad we refer to when we say "labor intensive", not the school.

All students who are restrained (using PCM, or Professional Crisis Management) have an FBA and a PBIP in place. I bet the students in your child's class have aspergers paired with EBD (emotional behavior disorder). They are probably highly verbal ? (just ask your son). If so, this is a very difficult issue in that they often are unable to participate in gen ed classes (due to disruptive behaviors) and the only other place they can be is in an EBD cluster. If the behaviors are new, it could be because these kids were mainstreamed until recently, and perhaps they have been moved back to more cluster time because their behaviors have increased. Contrary to common belief, disruptive behaviors do not decrease around this time of the year, like one member here said. No, these behaviors increase now that it is FCAt time again. Fcat writing started today.

If you decide to discuss this with your kid's teacher, how are you going to approach it? Are you planning to suggest that the PBIP kids are being moved out, and if so, where should they go? What do you think their parents will feel about that? I would think that some of these parents are members here on this list.

If you suggest that your son should be removed, then where would you like him to go? To another school? I am sure you realize how difficult this is.

I have discussed this issue with a hundred ( yeah, really) or so teachers around the USA since I first read about this, and the only solution we can come up with right now would be to have your autism coach take the loud kids with her to another classroom during reading and math. This would ensure that the other kids get to focus on their academics and prepare for the FCAT with their classroom teacher. Your principal may object to this only because there are probably no empty classrooms available in your school. However, your principal should be willing to try this because he/she wants good FCAT scores and no more problems from you parents. In addition, he/she does not need to pay any extra for having the autism coach do this (she is there anyway). Your poor teacher will be thrilled because she is sick and tired of not getting to teach. She is really the one who gets burned out

here.

You may want to refer to the kids who need to be restrained as the "loud and disruptive children". You owe it to your school to send a letter or e-mail to your AP, principal and ESE specialist requesting these changes before you take it higher up. I would urge you not to tell anyone who you are. You may send a regular letter to the school and apologize for not telling them your name. After all, you are a concerened parent who is looking out for her child and extremely worried about his academic progress ( it does not matter if he is taking the FCAT or the FAA). Both tests are important to you, to him and to the school district. You do not mean to harm anyone.

You can do it! Thanks for making a difference.

H.T.

To: sList Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:54 PMSubject: Re: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

I've been wondering about that. I am not involved with Card right now. I may call them tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion. :-)

Hi Sandy,

I am very new to this but I read everything I can to learn the most I can. My son is only two and he was diagnosed a little over a month ago. Isn't your situation something that the CARD office would help you with?

Just wondering if that would help.

Thanks

MargaretSent from my iPhone

I've just been communicating with a couple of other parents and I'm very uncomfortable with what I've been hearing about things going on in that class. I really hope its due to to the teacher's misconceptions and desperation. I think/hope she's just doing things with good intentions that aren't helping. They are creating stress and bad habits. The other moms see her the same way. I will be sick if we're wrong.

I'm definitely writing some letters and I'm going to copy in supervisors several levels up. A couple of parents were told at school that nothing can be done.... that means the school Admin and maybe even the Area are not behind the teachers with this behavior stuff. Qualified outside people need to get involved now.... maybe even some one to look at the school administration.

Thanks for your support.

Hi Sandy,"If they misbehave they lose treasure box but if they lose Treasure Box they tantrum."THIS IS BAD PROCEDURE. Negative reinforcement is not errorless teaching. There should not be negative reinforcement, only positive reinforcement. This is basic behavior management, this classroom needs a Qualified Behavior Specialist to address classroom behavior policies.No wonder they have problems.Steve> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > I hope some of you will make

suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturb ed by all of this

behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he d

[Guest guest]

I don't know, but i really doubt that the school agreed to perform the FBA just to appease a parent and from Sandy's email it seems that a behavior plan was developed after the FBA...which means there were challenges not being addressed. If the FBA had found nothing of value, what would be entered in this kid's IEP that could raise a red flag to whoever decided to check it? I don't get your point. If my kid needed help and the school wasn't doing enough I wouldn't care what kind of info went into his record...if anything I would be glad to have it be a testimony to the school's disregard and failure to comply with child find. And along with a note that an FBA has been performed and a behavioral plan formulated, the results from the assessment would be part of the IEP along with the techniques that were being used, right? So there should be no reason to wonder how "bad" things were...and if things were that "bad"...there should also be progress reports showing how well the kid was responding.About the removal of kids with behavioral plans from the classroom, parents aren't really the ones making the choice, so why would she have a suggestion? The school administration needs to find the problem and act accordingly, be it to send the kids to another school or another classroom. These kids are wrongly placed and we aren't doing them any favors keeping things the way they are. I've met plenty of parents who were clueless as to what went on with their kids in the classroom, it's sad but true. Yes, they're getting in the way of other children's instruction but they can't be learning much themselves, can they? If, as you propose, the autism coach take the "loud" kids to another room during math and reading, what happens to them? When do they get to have their math time and 90-min reading block? With the coach? It seemed to me that it's not only 1 or 2 kids... Would the coach be able to handle the kids on her own? What if she's needed somewhere else in the school, she's not a sub teacher, she has her own duties to perform every day and what with all the budget cuts I doubt she has an assistant or any kind of help.Also, personally, I would refer to the "loud" kids as "the ones that are clearly misplaced and not receiving meaningful instruction". To call them "loud"...I'm appalled.Sent from a's iPhone

Sandy,

you said previously that you child was in general ed and that he now is in a high functioning cluster class. I get the feeling that he never really had any significant behavior problems like those you describe he has to witness in his class, am I right?

If so, why did you want the school to write an FBA on him? A functional behavior assessment is written for kids who need a formal behavior plan, also known as a PBIP. The FBA is written first and then the results of this assessment is implemented in the PBIP. I don't understand why you wanted an FBA unless he had significant behaviors? Did he have SIBs (self injurious behaviors) earlier on? Unless he has significant behaviors, ordinary classroom managent plans are usually put in place to "nip behaviors in the bud" before they get bigger. I have a feeling that this is what your school tried to tell you when they hesitated to write an FBA.

Many parents do not like having a PBIP attached to his IEP. There is a certain stigma here and parents (and educators) may be afraid it could prevent the child from entering certain private schools should the parent later on want to place their child there. Anyone who reads the child's IEP can see that there is a PBIP and although they may not tell you directly, there are some private organizations/schools that will not accept students with PBIPs. I have one friend who has a private school for kids with disabilities, and she does not want to receive kids with PBIPs in her daytime program or her aftercare program. EasyIEP is online and those with access can go back and read everything there is from day one. Having a PBIP tells people that the child has had or still has serious behavior problems BEYOND what can be handled by ordinary classroom management

strategies. In 99% of all cases, we are now talking about aggression, such as hitting, scratching, kicking and biting other children, tantrumming, throwing furniture, and also SIBs. In other words DANGER. Can you see now Sandy, that if your child did not have serious issues like these, the school may have hesitated to write the FBA?

You are right, a PBIP is labor intensive in that when implemented correctly all the parties or the team (which includes the parents) need to meet often to adjust the plan. However, it has always been my experience that it is extra pressure on the working mom and dad we refer to when we say "labor intensive", not the school.

All students who are restrained (using PCM, or Professional Crisis Management) have an FBA and a PBIP in place. I bet the students in your child's class have aspergers paired with EBD (emotional behavior disorder). They are probably highly verbal ? (just ask your son). If so, this is a very difficult issue in that they often are unable to participate in gen ed classes (due to disruptive behaviors) and the only other place they can be is in an EBD cluster. If the behaviors are new, it could be because these kids were mainstreamed until recently, and perhaps they have been moved back to more cluster time because their behaviors have increased. Contrary to common belief, disruptive behaviors do not decrease around this time of the year, like one member here said. No, these behaviors increase now that it is FCAt time again. Fcat writing started today.

If you decide to discuss this with your kid's teacher, how are you going to approach it? Are you planning to suggest that the PBIP kids are being moved out, and if so, where should they go? What do you think their parents will feel about that? I would think that some of these parents are members here on this list.

If you suggest that your son should be removed, then where would you like him to go? To another school? I am sure you realize how difficult this is.

I have discussed this issue with a hundred ( yeah, really) or so teachers around the USA since I first read about this, and the only solution we can come up with right now would be to have your autism coach take the loud kids with her to another classroom during reading and math. This would ensure that the other kids get to focus on their academics and prepare for the FCAT with their classroom teacher. Your principal may object to this only because there are probably no empty classrooms available in your school. However, your principal should be willing to try this because he/she wants good FCAT scores and no more problems from you parents. In addition, he/she does not need to pay any extra for having the autism coach do this (she is there anyway). Your poor teacher will be thrilled because she is sick and tired of not getting to teach. She is really the one who gets burned out

here.

You may want to refer to the kids who need to be restrained as the "loud and disruptive children". You owe it to your school to send a letter or e-mail to your AP, principal and ESE specialist requesting these changes before you take it higher up. I would urge you not to tell anyone who you are. You may send a regular letter to the school and apologize for not telling them your name. After all, you are a concerened parent who is looking out for her child and extremely worried about his academic progress ( it does not matter if he is taking the FCAT or the FAA). Both tests are important to you, to him and to the school district. You do not mean to harm anyone.

You can do it! Thanks for making a difference.

H.T.

To: sList Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:54 PMSubject: Re: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

I've been wondering about that. I am not involved with Card right now. I may call them tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion. :-)

Hi Sandy,

I am very new to this but I read everything I can to learn the most I can. My son is only two and he was diagnosed a little over a month ago. Isn't your situation something that the CARD office would help you with?

Just wondering if that would help.

Thanks

MargaretSent from my iPhone

I've just been communicating with a couple of other parents and I'm very uncomfortable with what I've been hearing about things going on in that class. I really hope its due to to the teacher's misconceptions and desperation. I think/hope she's just doing things with good intentions that aren't helping. They are creating stress and bad habits. The other moms see her the same way. I will be sick if we're wrong.

I'm definitely writing some letters and I'm going to copy in supervisors several levels up. A couple of parents were told at school that nothing can be done.... that means the school Admin and maybe even the Area are not behind the teachers with this behavior stuff. Qualified outside people need to get involved now.... maybe even some one to look at the school administration.

Thanks for your support.

Hi Sandy,"If they misbehave they lose treasure box but if they lose Treasure Box they tantrum."THIS IS BAD PROCEDURE. Negative reinforcement is not errorless teaching. There should not be negative reinforcement, only positive reinforcement. This is basic behavior management, this classroom needs a Qualified Behavior Specialist to address classroom behavior policies.No wonder they have problems.Steve> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > I hope some of you will make

suggestions about this situation. My son is in a "high functioning" cluster classroom with a mixture of 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders. He is mainstreamed for Science, SS, Specials, Lunch and Recess. The problem is that about five of his classmates have very frequent, often daily "melt downs" - tantrums, screaming, kicking, etc. I mean, at least two big tantrums happen daily and sometimes they all tantrum in the same day - some kids do it more than once a day. That is almost 1/2 of the class! One child must be restrained regularly (a couple of parents witnessed the restraint on two different occasions and felt that it was appropriate and that the child was safe.) Evidently the kids get each other riled up and it becomes a vicious cycle. I haven't seen this with my own eyes but my son and other parents and students have told me about it. The teacher doesn't deny it. She said, "Its a little loud in there this year". My son is so disturb ed by all of this

behavior that he begs to be mainstreamed all day and sometimes he d

[Guest guest]

Hello Sandy,No, he doesn't have this experience in school right now but he did in the past, ranging from misbehaving because of other kids being disruptive or simply not wanting to stay in the classroom. There's a big problem when we start classifying the kids into low and high functioning...mainly because more often than not what's used to gauge them is language and communication, when there's so much more. Functioning relates to more than their verbal abilities, it also relates to their ability to, well, function - in a certain environment without extreme accommodations. So again, we need to look at their behavior as well when placing these kids. But that's a discussion for another time ;)It's a good thing you spoke with the administration and I won't go into the need to get more than palliative or remedial techniques at this time, but I hope things start de-stressing some.Please don't feel like a bad parent for not speaking up before, like I said before, a whole lot is expected of us parents and not so much from the real professionals. When we put our kids in a school we hope and count on the professionals running it to do what they're supposed to, and sometimes we don't even know for sure what that is. We shouldn't be on top of teachers but we must, that's the reality. We always hear that they are doing their best and I've had great teachers, but others not so much. As it happens in every profession, there's good and bad professionals.Good luck to you, always.Sent from a's iPhone

Hi,H.T. - I''m writing an answer to your message separately. I probably won't be able to send it until tomorrow. a, Does your child behave that way.... with the loud tantrums at school? I've been hoping to hear from parents on that end of the problem. I wrote a letter to the principal because one of the classmates has been bullying him (or hitting him very frequently and my son feels bullied - I know there are distinctions) I targeted my letter at that behavior but I mentioned the loud and disruptive children. Wen the principal called me I elaborated on the tantrums and the stress my son is under. His plan is to have the coach in that room for a significant amount of time each day to observe and help with management and behavior plans. I like the coach and I'm sure she'll make decent recommendations but she has been there working with this class all year and it seems that if she could fix it she already would have. She either doesn't have the knowledge, skills, the power, or the cooperation.... or something. Or it could be that the kids cannot be helped in that situation??? They have had what? 6 months this year and it was going on last year, too - just not this bad. I really do think they need help from the district behavior people. Not because they are bad.... its just that it seems to be beyond them. And really, who can really see the whole mess when we're up to our necks in it? A friend just pointed out a seemingly small mistake that I was doing that was actually feeding a problem with my child. I never thought of it. I gave her suggestion a try and it worked great. It took someone completely outside and unattached to see the issue. That is what I mean... the district person may be able to do that for them. Anyway, I did not contact the Area or District but if we don't see significant results in a week we probably will. I know that isn't much time but they have had since August already and my son is miserable. We have to understand that even the kids that are having these loud disruptions are also disturbed when another one does it when they are working. This is really difficult. They may have autism and EBD ... .. but I really don't know. All I know is what I hear about their behavior. Yes, they are verbal and they are in a class for high functioning kids with autism. I'm pretty sure they are placed there because its the best the school can do with the funds, knowledge, creativity, and probably even the "culture" of the system that they have right now. I would definitely not push for them to be removed from the school. That would be a big trauma for both the child and the parents. I think H.T.'s idea is sound and I am going to suggest it to the school today. The Coach seems to be a good teacher and it would be great if she could teach those kids reading and math in a different room for a while to see if it helps. However, the principal has assigned the coach to spend a huge chunk of her day in the classroom..... Rocks and hard places everywhere! I'd like to see them create a class or two for these kids..... I would love to see classes that are designed to maximize their learning while helping with these behaviors, with specially trained teachers and a behavior person (maybe a therapist?) on hand...... I agree that their needs aren't being met in this current situation either. Maybe the class is too big... I think there are 12 or 13 kids and 3 adults. These are not bad kids. My son likes them when they are calm. These are the older kids so it may be appropriate to have a class for younger kids with these needs, too. But that would be very expensive and the very earliest that it would happen would be next year. If I were their parent I would want them with kids who behave well for good role modeling and I would probably fight for that ... this seems so difficult and I don't know what's best. My son is in 5th grade and the best I can do for him is to try to make his next 3 months better and to try to do it in a way that makes it better for the kids coming up behind him. Whatever I do, I want it to count and help as many people as possible, my son, all of his classmates, the teachers and para's, the kids that will graduate into that class next year and in the future...... that's a big desire and I really don't know how to do it. Maybe I can't. There is so little time left. My relative passivity has kept him in a bad situation all this time. I kept thinking the school was fixing it so I didn't get too involved. I allowed them to pacify me and I really should know better by now. I should have done something in September. I feel like a bad mom because I didn't. Another mom I know also wrote a letter and she feels the same way. The coach will be spending much more time in the room. We'll see if anything changes by the end of next week. Thanks everyone.

a,

the school can't move these kids to another school.Who is to say they are misplaced? Based on what? Where do you think they should be?

If the classroom teacher can't handle them all at once, wouldn't it be better that another ESE teacher takes them during the academic lessons (the coach being that ESE teacher)? If she needs an assistant, maybe she could have one who typically works in the eoom we talking about. Does it matter when the reading block is? What other responsibilities do you think the coach should attend to now that one of her classrooms are falling apart and the parets there are about to call the district????? This is how serious it is! If this isn't the coache's responsibility, then what is? What at this school could be more important right now. That they are "misplaced", remember, is only your opinion. The school's administration and the district will disagree with you there.

Obviously, the class is too big the way it is now, and there are too many disruptions.

and yes, I understand that my suggestions may only be helpful short-term, but I still have not seen anyone here coming up with a better solution. It is easy to criticize my ideas, but It is FCAT time and we have 3 months left. How do we solve this issue now????

H.T.

To: "sList " <sList > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 3:13 PMSubject: Re: Re: disturbed by behavior of classmates

I don't know, but i really doubt that the school agreed to perform the FBA just to appease a parent and from Sandy's email it seems that a behavior plan was developed after the FBA...which means there were challenges not being addressed. If the FBA had found nothing of value, what would be entered in this kid's IEP that could raise a red flag to whoever decided to check it? I don't get your point.

If my kid needed help and the school wasn't doing enough I wouldn't care what kind of info went into his record...if anything I would be glad to have it be a testimony to the school's disregard and failure to comply with child find. And along with a note that an FBA has been performed and a behavioral plan formulated, the results from the assessment would be part of the IEP along with the techniques that were being used, right? So there should be no reason to wonder how "bad" things were...and if things were that "bad"...there should also be progress reports showing how well the kid was responding.

About the removal of kids with behavioral plans from the classroom, parents aren't really the ones making the choice, so why would she have a suggestion? The school administration needs to find the problem and act accordingly, be it to send the kids to another school or another classroom. These kids are wrongly placed and we aren't doing them any favors keeping things the way they are. I've met plenty of parents who were clueless as to what went on with their kids in the classroom, it's sad but true.

Yes, they're getting in the way of other children's instruction but they can't be learning much themselves, can they?

If, as you propose, the autism coach take the "loud" kids to another room during math and reading, what happens to them? When do they get to have their math time and 90-min reading block? With the coach? It seemed to me that it's not only 1 or 2 kids... Would the coach be able to handle the kids on her own? What if she's needed somewhere else in the school, she's not a sub teacher, she has her own duties to perform every day and what with all the budget cuts I doubt she has an assistant or any kind of help