Re: Re: Thoughts on thyroid hormone resistance NOT caused by RT3

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>I wonder if rT3 is a cause or a symptom of resistance?

It's both!

In many people it's the only cause of their resistance, cure the root

cause of the high RT3 (ferritin, dieting. cortisol, T4 only treatment

etc), " starve out the RT3 " by temporarily losing T4 and going T3 only,

and the resistance is cured and the person is on a normal dose of

thyroid hormone, the " 3 to 5 grain " range of natural.

In some cases like mine there is " other resistance " and in the process

of using natural or T4 to treat that the RT3 gets increased and

resistance builds. The " thyroid treatment stopped working for me "

scenario. In those cases going T3 only and staying there is the way to

go, the only way of medicating the deep rooted resistance, without

having too much T4 which causes RT3, is to go T3 only or a high dose

of T3 with a small dose of T4 (ie, the normal, " non-resistant "

person's T4 dose, say 100mcg maximum).

That T4 is too small a dose to convert into anything like the amount

of T3 that the resistant people need so in many ways we are best off

without it.

This is my take on it, piecing together the puzzle and trying to work

out a scenario that fits all the pieces.

Any thoughts are welcome

Nick

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Oh..this is interesting. I have several layers of resisitence. On t3 only for a yr I think. Are you saying that even for me, a small tiny bit of t4 added to the mix may be okay? I have often wondered if I just take a tiny tiny bit of t4, if that would somehow help, and in no way be able to convert to rt3>>I wonder if rT3 is a cause or a symptom of resistance?It's both!In many people it's the only cause of their resistance, cure the rootcause of the high RT3 (ferritin, dieting. cortisol, T4 only treatmentetc), "starve out the RT3" by temporarily losing T4 and going T3 only,and the resistance is cured and the person is on a normal dose ofthyroid hormone, the "3 to 5 grain" range of natural.In some cases like mine there is "other resistance" and in the processof using natural or T4 to treat that the RT3 gets increased andresistance builds. The "thyroid treatment stopped working for me"scenario. In those cases going T3 only and staying there is the way togo, the only way of medicating the deep rooted resistance, withouthaving too much T4 which causes RT3, is to go T3 only or a high doseof T3 with a small

dose of T4 (ie, the normal, "non-resistant"person's T4 dose, say 100mcg maximum).That T4 is too small a dose to convert into anything like the amountof T3 that the resistant people need so in many ways we are best offwithout it.This is my take on it, piecing together the puzzle and trying to workout a scenario that fits all the pieces.Any thoughts are welcomeNick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com ------------------------------------We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

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>Oh..this is interesting. I have several layers of resisitence. On t3 only for a

yr I think. Are you saying that even for me, a small tiny bit of t4 added to the

mix may be okay? I have often wondered if I just take a tiny tiny bit of t4, if

that would somehow help, and in no way be able to convert to rt3

I'm saying that I suspect a small amount won't turn into RT3 if my

theory is right, that's assuming cortisol and ferritin etc are in

place.

As to whether that " would help " I have grave doubts, while I don't

think it will build resistance I doubt it will do any good either and

hence it's nor worth taking.

I suspect those of us who need T3 doses at the higher end of the

scale, particularly 125 or over, are the ones that will not be able to

go onto natural and we will be best off on T3 only permanently.

Nick

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Its still unclear as to me needing 75 or more like 87 mcg. Nevertheless, I periodically need iron, and cortisol is always an issue, so not sure if it rules me out for tiny bit of t4. My thought was just to have a tiny blanket underneath, so as to never run totally out or perhaps make things smoother?>Oh..this is interesting. I have several layers of resisitence. On t3 only for a yr I think. Are you saying that even for me, a small tiny bit of t4 added to the mix may be okay? I have often wondered if I just take a tiny tiny bit of t4, if that would somehow help, and in no way be able to convert to rt3I'm saying that I suspect a small amount won't turn into RT3 if mytheory is right, that's assuming cortisol and ferritin etc are inplace.As to whether that "would help" I have grave doubts, while I don'tthink it will build resistance I doubt it will do any good either andhence it's nor worth taking.I suspect those of us who need T3 doses at the higher end of thescale, particularly 125 or over, are the ones that will not be able togo onto natural and we will be best off on T3 only permanently.Nick-- for

more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com------------------------------------We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

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>Its still unclear as to me needing 75 or more like 87 mcg.

Is that 75 or 87.5 of T3?? If you are OK on that sort of dose you are

not showing resistance, that's the lower end of the typical span of 75

to 125.

>Nevertheless, I periodically need iron, and cortisol is always an issue, so not

sure if it rules me out for tiny bit of t4. My thought was just to have a tiny

blanket underneath, so as to never run totally out or perhaps make things

smoother?

I don't know the answer, I'm speculating. The only way you can find if

you do well on it or not is to try it.

1 grain of natural is roughly equivalent to 25mcg of T3, half

initially and half after a week or to.

I tried swapping back in the early days after clearance and it didn't

work for me, suggestions on a swap process are on the web site and you

can pause that at any of the many stable stages in the swap.

Nick

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while I dont intend on introducing much t4..I may add just a touch at some point, so I will check the site about how much t4 one grain would add. This is tricky as I now take coumpounded t3 only.

I say resistant, because I contasntly have issues.

ie, heart squeezing now possibly due to low iron stores again.

lots of sweating and rashes on the higher dose( adrenal stress)

continued hair falling ,rashes on lower dose>Its still unclear as to me needing 75 or more like 87 mcg. Is that 75 or 87.5 of T3?? If you are OK on that sort of dose you arenot showing resistance, that's the lower end of the typical span of 75to 125.>Nevertheless, I periodically need iron, and cortisol is always an issue, so not sure if it rules me out for tiny bit of t4. My thought was just to have a tiny blanket underneath, so as to never run totally out or perhaps make things smoother?I don't know the answer, I'm speculating. The only way you can find ifyou do well on it or not is to try it.1 grain of natural is roughly equivalent to 25mcg of T3, halfinitially and half after a week or to. I tried swapping back in the early days after clearance and it didn'twork for me, suggestions on a swap process are on the web site and youcan pause that at any

of the many stable stages in the swap.Nick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com------------------------------------We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

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oh..I do have low pulse too>Its still unclear as to me needing 75 or more like 87 mcg. Is that 75 or 87.5 of T3?? If you are OK on that sort of dose you arenot showing resistance, that's the lower end of the typical span of 75to 125.>Nevertheless, I periodically need iron, and cortisol is always an issue, so not sure if it rules me out for tiny bit of t4. My thought was just to have a tiny blanket underneath, so as to never run totally out or perhaps make things smoother?I don't know the answer, I'm speculating. The only way you can find ifyou do well on it or not is to try it.1 grain of natural is roughly equivalent to 25mcg of T3, halfinitially and half after a week or to. I tried swapping back in the early days after clearance and it didn'twork for me, suggestions on a swap process are on the web site and youcan pause that at any

of the many stable stages in the swap.Nick-- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com------------------------------------We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

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>oh..I do have low pulse too

Low pulse says not enough T3 or not getting into the cells due to not

enough cortisol

Nick

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I never had low pulse initially when probs started in 2007 - I had high pulse and was shaking and stressing CONSTANTLY. Could this be due to a constant adrenaline flow, due to mssed up adrenals? I just don't wanna go there again!

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>oh..I do have low pulse too

Low pulse says not enough T3 or not getting into the cells due to not

enough cortisol

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>I never had low pulse initially when probs started in 2007 - I had high pulse

and was shaking and stressing CONSTANTLY. Could this be due to a constant

adrenaline flow, due to mssed up adrenals? I just don't wanna go there again!

It could be, without a time machine we can't tell

Nick

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>I've always considered myself a bit unique/weird. But many thyroid experts

consider this to be much more common than you think.

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>Good stuff Nick, i hope my story helps to shed some light.

Thanks for that, good luck on your journey, with that FT4 level you

will have a lot of RT3 about and T3 only will make a big difference to

you.

You may well need to stay on it permanently, it's worth it. Please let

us know how you do on T3 only.

You sound like me as a youngster, I'm 54 now and wish I had found this

years ago.

Nick

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Todd - right now I am reading the hormones book by Dr. Brownstein. After I finish it, if I find something there that might be useful for you, I'll pass on whatever I've learned. It's a general book on basic physiology and the role of various hormones in good health and his ideas on treatment approaches for various hormone issues. I'm not sure that his methods are held in much regard by the wider medical or endo community, probably not.

But why not consult with a doctor who primarily treats hormone issues and is open to natural, bioidentical treatment modalities and take all your research and references with you when you go to see the doctor. I think Shomon's site has a link to doctors all over the country who are thought to be open to non-standard natural approaches based on feedback from patients. I used it recently and found references to 2 doctors in my area near Philadelphia-New Jersey.

Stan

Thanks Stan,Most people don't understand what i have been through so young. I think after researching and seeing specialist after specialist and trialling different things that i have found my problem.My only worry is about my low growth hormone levels which was found in my urine test. My IGF-1 was just below mid range in serum, but urine was very low. I have never felt my sleep to be restorative so i think i must have had this for a while. The curious thing is i am 6 ft 3! And my parents aren't overly tall! Weird.I am hoping that the T3 can lift my growth hormone levels. I have heard Val say that this can happen. Fingers crossed. Any thoughts?Todd

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Thanks for the tip on the Dr Starr book Todd, I'll look into it. The Brownstein book is good but it's not as specific in terms of treatment as I would like. In the end, he still leaves things a little vague, with a lot of '..can do's...' rather than specifics on 'how-to's. Stan

Stan,I have a bio identical hormone specialist. It took me a while but i did finally find a doctor who listens and understands. He did all of the hormone testing and explained how testing doesn't mean a great deal. The only problem is there is NO perfect doctor and in this case he doesn't regard RT3 as a relevant issue. He only prescribes natural dessicated thyroid. So i have had to do much more work on the side as any patient do when confronted with these conditions.My advice to anyone is don't look for the perfect doctor. Find someone who is on your side that will get you tested.. i.e someone like my doctor and then do your own research and experimentation along with it. Your book sounds interesting. If you are interested in resistance try and pick up a copy of Dr Starr's type 2 hypothyroidism book. I don't agree with all of it particularly his treatment methods but he discusses a lot of groundbreaking information on cellular level hypothyroidism.Cheers