Re: Bedtime Dose Anyone? / Other Factors

[Guest guest]

Well, sleep is also a problem here, but the last 3 nights I have only woken up

once, which is a huge improvement for me, at least.

I re-upped my HC at night to 5 mg. I increased my progesterone at night to a

double dose with cream.

I also added in the ENZYMATIC THERAPY - Fatigued to Fantastic! Revitalizing

Sleep Formula and 1 mg melatonin and 600 mg magnesium.

Plus I also do 37 mg. of cynomel as well.

Sometimes there is too much experimentation we have to do!!

My 2 cents,

Deb in MI

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[Guest guest]

Only once!! I'd be jumping up and down if that happened! :-)

I already do the melatonin and have for years. Extra PG doesn't help me sleep,

either. :-( I take tons of magnesium, although I tend to take it with dinner.

Maybe I should try it right before bed?

I guess I've tried no HC and now 2.5 HC, so maybe I need to try 5 like you do.

Or take another 2.5 the first time I wake up.

Egads, all this experimenting is a PITA.

Kathleen

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[Guest guest]

Only once!! I'd be jumping up and down if that happened! :-)

I already do the melatonin and have for years. Extra PG doesn't help me sleep,

either. :-( I take tons of magnesium, although I tend to take it with dinner.

Maybe I should try it right before bed?

I guess I've tried no HC and now 2.5 HC, so maybe I need to try 5 like you do.

Or take another 2.5 the first time I wake up.

Egads, all this experimenting is a PITA.

Kathleen

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[Guest guest]

Only once!! I'd be jumping up and down if that happened! :-)

I already do the melatonin and have for years. Extra PG doesn't help me sleep,

either. :-( I take tons of magnesium, although I tend to take it with dinner.

Maybe I should try it right before bed?

I guess I've tried no HC and now 2.5 HC, so maybe I need to try 5 like you do.

Or take another 2.5 the first time I wake up.

Egads, all this experimenting is a PITA.

Kathleen

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[Guest guest]

Oh, forgot to ask you, Deb, but how much total t3 do you take?

I was taking 1/3 my total t3 at bed and no bedtime HC. Didn't sleep great but

not as awful as I am now. Since increasing the HC, my sleep at night has been

worse. Val thought I had high nighttime cortisol, though.

This is starting to make me think that the increase has lowered my nighttime

cortisol too much to handle the t3 at night. So maybe I DO need 5 at bedtime.

I wonder if taking my blood sugar when I wake would tell me anything. If it's

adrenaline rush waking me due to low cortisol, my BS would be highish.

Kathleen

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[Guest guest]

Oh, forgot to ask you, Deb, but how much total t3 do you take?

I was taking 1/3 my total t3 at bed and no bedtime HC. Didn't sleep great but

not as awful as I am now. Since increasing the HC, my sleep at night has been

worse. Val thought I had high nighttime cortisol, though.

This is starting to make me think that the increase has lowered my nighttime

cortisol too much to handle the t3 at night. So maybe I DO need 5 at bedtime.

I wonder if taking my blood sugar when I wake would tell me anything. If it's

adrenaline rush waking me due to low cortisol, my BS would be highish.

Kathleen

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[Guest guest]

Oh, forgot to ask you, Deb, but how much total t3 do you take?

I was taking 1/3 my total t3 at bed and no bedtime HC. Didn't sleep great but

not as awful as I am now. Since increasing the HC, my sleep at night has been

worse. Val thought I had high nighttime cortisol, though.

This is starting to make me think that the increase has lowered my nighttime

cortisol too much to handle the t3 at night. So maybe I DO need 5 at bedtime.

I wonder if taking my blood sugar when I wake would tell me anything. If it's

adrenaline rush waking me due to low cortisol, my BS would be highish.

Kathleen

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[Guest guest]

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>If you could figure ths one out, you deserve a bonus, LOL!!! I may just have to

experiment and see what works. Maybe I don't need the bedtime HC anymore? I

don't know! It's all very confusing, especially as my cortisol rthym has changed

since I inceased the HC.

We are all individual, try it and see

Nick

[Guest guest]

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>If you could figure ths one out, you deserve a bonus, LOL!!! I may just have to

experiment and see what works. Maybe I don't need the bedtime HC anymore? I

don't know! It's all very confusing, especially as my cortisol rthym has changed

since I inceased the HC.

We are all individual, try it and see

Nick

[Guest guest]

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>If you could figure ths one out, you deserve a bonus, LOL!!! I may just have to

experiment and see what works. Maybe I don't need the bedtime HC anymore? I

don't know! It's all very confusing, especially as my cortisol rthym has changed

since I inceased the HC.

We are all individual, try it and see

Nick

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

I take 125 or so T3.

Last night, after taking 5 mg HC, I had the wired feeling, which I think means

too much HC again at night, so I will cut back to 2.5 mg HC.

When I got the adrenaline rush, I would wake up with my heart pounding, or very

hungry all of a sudden.

This is all so complicated...Deb in MI

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> Oh, forgot to ask you, Deb, but how much total t3 do you take?

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> I was taking 1/3 my total t3 at bed and no bedtime HC. Didn't sleep great but

not as awful as I am now. Since increasing the HC, my sleep at night has been

worse. Val thought I had high nighttime cortisol, though.

>

> This is starting to make me think that the increase has lowered my nighttime

cortisol too much to handle the t3 at night. So maybe I DO need 5 at bedtime.

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> I wonder if taking my blood sugar when I wake would tell me anything. If it's

adrenaline rush waking me due to low cortisol, my BS would be highish.

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> Kathleen

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[Guest guest]

Well, I never wake up hungry. Usually it's just a sense of feeling sort of

wired, like I'm ready to jump up and get going. Last night, I took 2.5 at 3;30

am when I woke up and I did sleep a bit better the rest of the night. I still

woke every 2 hours but I felt calmer when I woke, if that makes any sense.

Lately, my heart has been pounding all day and night, very lightly, so it's hard

to tell. I am not sure if that is low cortisol or also low potassium as I've

been low carbing and extra HC tends to make my potassium go low, too. I have

supping potassium since yesterday. Seems to help a bit.

Kathleen

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> > Oh, forgot to ask you, Deb, but how much total t3 do you take?

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> > I was taking 1/3 my total t3 at bed and no bedtime HC. Didn't sleep great

but not as awful as I am now. Since increasing the HC, my sleep at night has

been worse. Val thought I had high nighttime cortisol, though.

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> > This is starting to make me think that the increase has lowered my nighttime

cortisol too much to handle the t3 at night. So maybe I DO need 5 at bedtime.

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> > I wonder if taking my blood sugar when I wake would tell me anything. If

it's adrenaline rush waking me due to low cortisol, my BS would be highish.

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> > Kathleen

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[Guest guest]

Well, I never wake up hungry. Usually it's just a sense of feeling sort of

wired, like I'm ready to jump up and get going. Last night, I took 2.5 at 3;30

am when I woke up and I did sleep a bit better the rest of the night. I still

woke every 2 hours but I felt calmer when I woke, if that makes any sense.

Lately, my heart has been pounding all day and night, very lightly, so it's hard

to tell. I am not sure if that is low cortisol or also low potassium as I've

been low carbing and extra HC tends to make my potassium go low, too. I have

supping potassium since yesterday. Seems to help a bit.

Kathleen

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> > Oh, forgot to ask you, Deb, but how much total t3 do you take?

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> > I was taking 1/3 my total t3 at bed and no bedtime HC. Didn't sleep great

but not as awful as I am now. Since increasing the HC, my sleep at night has

been worse. Val thought I had high nighttime cortisol, though.

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> > This is starting to make me think that the increase has lowered my nighttime

cortisol too much to handle the t3 at night. So maybe I DO need 5 at bedtime.

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> > I wonder if taking my blood sugar when I wake would tell me anything. If

it's adrenaline rush waking me due to low cortisol, my BS would be highish.

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> > Kathleen

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[Guest guest]

Well, I never wake up hungry. Usually it's just a sense of feeling sort of

wired, like I'm ready to jump up and get going. Last night, I took 2.5 at 3;30

am when I woke up and I did sleep a bit better the rest of the night. I still

woke every 2 hours but I felt calmer when I woke, if that makes any sense.

Lately, my heart has been pounding all day and night, very lightly, so it's hard

to tell. I am not sure if that is low cortisol or also low potassium as I've

been low carbing and extra HC tends to make my potassium go low, too. I have

supping potassium since yesterday. Seems to help a bit.

Kathleen

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> > Oh, forgot to ask you, Deb, but how much total t3 do you take?

> >

> > I was taking 1/3 my total t3 at bed and no bedtime HC. Didn't sleep great

but not as awful as I am now. Since increasing the HC, my sleep at night has

been worse. Val thought I had high nighttime cortisol, though.

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> > This is starting to make me think that the increase has lowered my nighttime

cortisol too much to handle the t3 at night. So maybe I DO need 5 at bedtime.

> >

> > I wonder if taking my blood sugar when I wake would tell me anything. If

it's adrenaline rush waking me due to low cortisol, my BS would be highish.

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> > Kathleen

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[Guest guest]

Ah, this is a loaded question! I take: Valarian, Passion Flower, melatonin,

Klonopin, theanine and GABA!!! I have taken all of these for years. Well, just

added the aminos as trying to get off the Klonopin.

I used to never take a bedtime dose until recently after I increased HC from

11.25 to 25 which included 2.5 at bed. I could actually feel myself low in

cortisol as I went to bed, so I do think I needed it. And that's when I started

not tolerating the bedtime dose of t3 very well, also, as I think the higher

daytime HC dosing lowered my night cortisol to where I couldn't tolerate the t3.

This sort of straightened out a bit after a few days (not as extreme low

cortisol symptoms while sleeping), but my sleep is still worse than before I

increased the HC.

The more I write, the more I think I need to take more HC at bed. I bet my

cortisol is so low at night that my ACTH is going into high gear and making me

wake up with high cortisol and/or adrenaline. Both of which would be fixed by

simply taking more HC at night.

I only hesitate because that will put me at 32.5 for the day. :-(( And we all

know how scared I am of HC! However, now that I think about it, I have never

slept well once once going over 20 mg HC and I wonder if it was because I never

took a bedtime dose and I need it?

Kathleen

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[Guest guest]

Maybe stop taking the melatonin? That can significantly lower cortisol. I know I can't take it. I had to stop taking a bedtime dose of HC. I would feel really jumpy from it. I still don't sleep well but can actually fall asleep without wanting to kill people! Now I think my hormones are to blame...I sweat ALL NIGHT... really gross

Kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 6:50:11 PMSubject: Re: Bedtime Dose Anyone? / Other Factors

Ah, this is a loaded question! I take: Valarian, Passion Flower, melatonin, Klonopin, theanine and GABA!!! I have taken all of these for years. Well, just added the aminos as trying to get off the Klonopin.I used to never take a bedtime dose until recently after I increased HC from 11.25 to 25 which included 2.5 at bed. I could actually feel myself low in cortisol as I went to bed, so I do think I needed it. And that's when I started not tolerating the bedtime dose of t3 very well, also, as I think the higher daytime HC dosing lowered my night cortisol to where I couldn't tolerate the t3. This sort of straightened out a bit after a few days (not as extreme low cortisol symptoms while sleeping), but my sleep is still worse than before I increased the HC.The more I write, the more I think I need to take more HC at bed. I bet my cortisol is so low at night that my ACTH is going into high gear and making me wake up with high cortisol

and/or adrenaline. Both of which would be fixed by simply taking more HC at night. I only hesitate because that will put me at 32.5 for the day. :-(( And we all know how scared I am of HC! However, now that I think about it, I have never slept well once once going over 20 mg HC and I wonder if it was because I never took a bedtime dose and I need it? Kathleen> >

[Guest guest]

That's probably a good suggestion. I am just so attached to my " sleepy pills "

but you're right that it's probably not smart on my part to take something that

lowers cortisol if you have low cortisol!

I will try that tonight and see how it goes.

Thanks,

Kathleen

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[Guest guest]

That's probably a good suggestion. I am just so attached to my " sleepy pills "

but you're right that it's probably not smart on my part to take something that

lowers cortisol if you have low cortisol!

I will try that tonight and see how it goes.

Thanks,

Kathleen

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[Guest guest]

That's probably a good suggestion. I am just so attached to my " sleepy pills "

but you're right that it's probably not smart on my part to take something that

lowers cortisol if you have low cortisol!

I will try that tonight and see how it goes.

Thanks,

Kathleen

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[Guest guest]

Lol about wanting to kill people. ;-) When I first increased the HC, I started

to not be able to fall asleep but that went away after I made some adjustments.

My ACTH really likes to go into overdrive. If I take enough around dinner, I am

very sleepy by the time we go to bed.

I hope you get some PG cream soon and get the sex hormones straightened out. I

really found PG cream helpful. I've been on it several years now. It got rid of

all my PMS! No more bloating around my period, either.

Kathleen

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[Guest guest]

sorry you already answered that....

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 8:01:01 PMSubject: Re: Re: Bedtime Dose Anyone? / Other Factors

Do you have to take testosterone as well? What progesterone do you use? How much?

Kitty

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>To: RT3_T3 (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Thu, May 13, 2010 7:22:26 PMSubject: Re: Bedtime Dose Anyone? / Other Factors

Lol about wanting to kill people. ;-) When I first increased the HC, I started to not be able to fall asleep but that went away after I made some adjustments. My ACTH really likes to go into overdrive. If I take enough around dinner, I am very sleepy by the time we go to bed.I hope you get some PG cream soon and get the sex hormones straightened out. I really found PG cream helpful. I've been on it several years now. It got rid of all my PMS! No more bloating around my period, either. Kathleen > > >>

[Guest guest]

Do you have to take testosterone as well? What progesterone do you use? How much?

Kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 7:22:26 PMSubject: Re: Bedtime Dose Anyone? / Other Factors

Lol about wanting to kill people. ;-) When I first increased the HC, I started to not be able to fall asleep but that went away after I made some adjustments. My ACTH really likes to go into overdrive. If I take enough around dinner, I am very sleepy by the time we go to bed.I hope you get some PG cream soon and get the sex hormones straightened out. I really found PG cream helpful. I've been on it several years now. It got rid of all my PMS! No more bloating around my period, either. Kathleen > > >>

[Guest guest]

Do you have to take testosterone as well? What progesterone do you use? How much?

Kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 7:22:26 PMSubject: Re: Bedtime Dose Anyone? / Other Factors

Lol about wanting to kill people. ;-) When I first increased the HC, I started to not be able to fall asleep but that went away after I made some adjustments. My ACTH really likes to go into overdrive. If I take enough around dinner, I am very sleepy by the time we go to bed.I hope you get some PG cream soon and get the sex hormones straightened out. I really found PG cream helpful. I've been on it several years now. It got rid of all my PMS! No more bloating around my period, either. Kathleen > > >>

[Guest guest]

Do you have to take testosterone as well? What progesterone do you use? How much?

Kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 7:22:26 PMSubject: Re: Bedtime Dose Anyone? / Other Factors

Lol about wanting to kill people. ;-) When I first increased the HC, I started to not be able to fall asleep but that went away after I made some adjustments. My ACTH really likes to go into overdrive. If I take enough around dinner, I am very sleepy by the time we go to bed.I hope you get some PG cream soon and get the sex hormones straightened out. I really found PG cream helpful. I've been on it several years now. It got rid of all my PMS! No more bloating around my period, either. Kathleen > > >>

[Guest guest]

No problem. :-) I don't " feel " testosterone. But I think it is SO important for

bone health and I think it helps prevent insulin resistance as well. In fact, I

wonder if the reason some people on HC get bone loss is due to the fact that HC

lowers testoserone. (Yes, supra pharmacolical doses of HC -- which we are not

taking here -- also cause other issues related to calcium loss in urine, etc.,

etc.)

At any rate, I had a bunch of tests done when I was taking higher doses of HC

and the doc begrudgingly admitted I was not losing bone or anything else going

on bad related to the HC. :-) BUT it did lower my testosterone and that prevents

you from FORMING bone. And my bone density was not as good as it should be. It

could be because I am small and may never have acheived good bone density when I

was younger, but at any rate, I went on the testosterone straight away!!

Kathleen

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