Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 OK, here's the thing. I can only scrape together $150 for testing, so I'm trying to decide what test(s) would be the most beneficial. My biggest issues/concerns/questions are: 1. I do not need to be convinced that I have mercury, nor would negative results prevent me from doing a few rounds of chelation for a definitive answer. Since I'm going to chelate anyway, is there anything that the hair test reveals that I need to know before I begin? 2. I am not sure whether or not I have copper poisoning. I am going to start with DMSA only, probably for at least a dozen rounds or longer. So the copper question can be put on hold until I am ready to start ALA, right? Have I missed something that would make this a must-have before I begin DMSA? 3. I am not sure of the state of my adrenals/thyroid. I have tried several of those diagnose-yourself questionnaires without any help... in fact, one came up with both hyper and hypo for both adrenals and thyroid. Even in AI, I seem to partially match the symptom profiles for both hyper and hypo. Given the number of health problems I do have, it seems extremely likely that this is an area where I need some answers. But what is the best test for this? Does the hair test answer this question sufficiently? Or do I need one of the profiles from Canary Club? Which one? Is there another test that would be better? 4. Even if I do test and find out I need adrenal/thyroid support, I have a lot of issues around taking glandulars. I'm very fussy--and quesy--about eating meat, but dessicated raw organs? I honestly don't know if I could get them down... or keep them down. So then my next question is, if I do need a/t support is there anything I can do about it that doesn't involve glandulars? And if I can do something about it without glandulars, can I just do that and not need the testing? I don't know if any of this makes sense and I don't even know if my reasoning is sound or if I'm just way off track, so any comments are appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 > > OK, here's the thing. I can only scrape together $150 for testing, so > I'm trying to decide what test(s) would be the most beneficial. My > biggest issues/concerns/questions are: > > 1. I do not need to be convinced that I have mercury, nor would > negative results prevent me from doing a few rounds of chelation for a > definitive answer. Since I'm going to chelate anyway, is there > anything that the hair test reveals that I need to know before I begin? If you're convinced you have mercury based on symptoms and exposure, and you are willing to try some chelation, I think the hair test can be skipped. The only problem I can think of would be failing to catch another elevated metal. But if you are fairly sure you have a mercury problem, I think you can skip it. > 2. I am not sure whether or not I have copper poisoning. I am going > to start with DMSA only, probably for at least a dozen rounds or > longer. So the copper question can be put on hold until I am ready to > start ALA, right? Have I missed something that would make this a > must-have before I begin DMSA? ALA can be used even if you have copper. Andy's cautions about this in the past were conservative, but he has now seen lots of people do fine on ALA despite high copper. Besides, the mercury may be what is making you hold on to copper, and ALA may be essential to get it out. > 3. I am not sure of the state of my adrenals/thyroid. I have tried > several of those diagnose-yourself questionnaires without any help... Most symptom lists I've seen would be reasonably good indicators. > in fact, one came up with both hyper and hypo for both adrenals and > thyroid. Even in AI, I seem to partially match the symptom profiles > for both hyper and hypo. Given the number of health problems I do > have, it seems extremely likely that this is an area where I need some > answers. But what is the best test for this? Does the hair test > answer this question sufficiently? Or do I need one of the profiles > from Canary Club? Which one? Is there another test that would be better? The hair test does not always show adrenal/thyroid problems. The symptom lists will not tell you enough about what is going on, just indicate a possible problem. A saliva test can be pretty helpful. The Diagnos-Techs test I did through Canary Club includes adrenal, thyroid, DHEA, estradiol, progesterone, and testosterone. I believe it is $150. As far as I know, that is the best price you will find for that set of testing. > 4. Even if I do test and find out I need adrenal/thyroid support, I > have a lot of issues around taking glandulars. I'm very fussy--and > quesy--about eating meat, but dessicated raw organs? I honestly don't > know if I could get them down... or keep them down. So then my next > question is, if I do need a/t support is there anything I can do about > it that doesn't involve glandulars? And if I can do something about > it without glandulars, can I just do that and not need the testing? There are Rx and herbs that do not contain glandular stuff. I have found herbs and hydrocortisone are effective for my adrenal issues. Adrenal glandular doesn't seem to do much for me. I don't know all the options for thyroid treatment, but there are non-glandular choices - maybe someone else will comment in more detail. -- > I don't know if any of this makes sense and I don't even know if my > reasoning is sound or if I'm just way off track, so any comments are > appreciated. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 yankeeexile: " I can only scrape together $150 for testing, so I'm trying to decide what test(s) would be the most beneficial. " If I only had $150 for testing, I would do the canary club test from diagnos-tech for $141. I recently took this test, and I am really glad I did. If you truly don't need a hair test for confirmation of mercury toxicity, the canary club test would be a good one. You likely have adrenal and/or thyroid problems because you have a mercury problem. They need to be supported before you chelate. I never found adrenal and thyroid questionnaires very useful either... If you need thyroid support and don't want to do Armour (desiccated pig thyroid), you can do synthetics. I think you would likely want a T4 med, like Synthroid, along with a T3 med, like Cytomel. I am not too sure about that, because this thyroid stuff is still new to me. A lot of people on only T4 meds still have problems. I don't know how easy it would be to get a doctor to prescribe both meds. -Olif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 > > OK, here's the thing. I can only scrape together $150 for testing, so > I'm trying to decide what test(s) would be the most beneficial. My > biggest issues/concerns/questions are: > > 1. I do not need to be convinced that I have mercury, nor would > negative results prevent me from doing a few rounds of chelation for a > definitive answer. Since I'm going to chelate anyway, is there > anything that the hair test reveals that I need to know before I begin? > > 2. I am not sure whether or not I have copper poisoning. I am going > to start with DMSA only, probably for at least a dozen rounds or > longer. So the copper question can be put on hold until I am ready to > start ALA, right? Have I missed something that would make this a > must-have before I begin DMSA? > > 3. I am not sure of the state of my adrenals/thyroid. I have tried > several of those diagnose-yourself questionnaires without any help... > in fact, one came up with both hyper and hypo for both adrenals and > thyroid. Even in AI, I seem to partially match the symptom profiles > for both hyper and hypo. Given the number of health problems I do > have, it seems extremely likely that this is an area where I need some > answers. But what is the best test for this? Does the hair test > answer this question sufficiently? Or do I need one of the profiles > from Canary Club? Which one? Is there another test that would be better? > > 4. Even if I do test and find out I need adrenal/thyroid support, I > have a lot of issues around taking glandulars. I'm very fussy--and > quesy--about eating meat, but dessicated raw organs? I honestly don't > know if I could get them down... or keep them down. So then my next > question is, if I do need a/t support is there anything I can do about > it that doesn't involve glandulars? And if I can do something about > it without glandulars, can I just do that and not need the testing? > > > I don't know if any of this makes sense and I don't even know if my > reasoning is sound or if I'm just way off track, so any comments are > appreciated. > I think directlabs.com does specials on tests every month, I think april is autism awareness month and its like half off. So its only like $45.00 Call them and ask. Make sure it is hair elements from DDI, this does'nt need a script if done through them. This will tell about a copper problem and mercury problem which in the case of both you need bile flowers etc. It sometimes will pick up thyroid/adrenal things. My dad and I were known to have adrenal issues and it both showed on our hair test. My GF's thyroid problem showed up on her hair tests, it is hit and miss. I would do a hair test first, wonder if you really don't have a mercury problem and you just have a copper problem. Alot of people think they have mercury ONLY have copper (some have both, like me) Consider yourself lucky if it is just copper. You may not even have to go through chelation. So really my advice is a hair test first, but if you have thyroid/adrenal problems etc its probably HG doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 > 4. Even if I do test and find out I need adrenal/thyroid support, I > have a lot of issues around taking glandulars. I'm very fussy--and > quesy--about eating meat, but dessicated raw organs? I honestly don't > know if I could get them down... or keep them down. So then my next > question is, if I do need a/t support is there anything I can do about > it that doesn't involve glandulars? And if I can do something about > it without glandulars, can I just do that and not need the testing? Let me tell you something funny. I basically hated meat. I mean hated it, not from the moral point of view but more the texture etc. IE hate chicken. Will eat seafood (but not normally fish). Won't touch pork except for bacon. Beef is my staple and even then it has to be a good cut. It has been fairly well documented that people with adrenal problems shy away from meat mostly because they don't enjoy it, can't really digest it because of the lack of HCL to digest it in there stomach. People with copper, almost develop a moralistic point of view of eating meat. They will first shy away because they just can't enjoy it but later in the toxicity they develop a almost P.I.T.A like approach. Moralistic. This is a forum that talks about Andys book so the last few things I said are not really discussed. However if you ever to a consult with him, he will ask you to list ANY and ALL food aversion whether or not you think they are significant because they generally are. Now I will occasionally eat chicken wings, and I eat beef any chance $$$ permits. My GF made a pork roast and almost vomited with the first bite. In fact for some reason it makes me feel much better, carbs kill me. Bread, pizza, pasta just kill me. For what it is worth you'll never notice the glandulars, or a taste, or a burp up taste after you take it. If this is REALLY a problem you could try rubbing cortisol cream (any walmart, walgreens etc will have this) Just rotate and you need about a tsp to tablespoon on each arm. It is small amount. You can get hydrocortisol (cortef, cortisol etc) and take 4x 5 mg a day. (I would build up since some people have problems at first) See the notes for a source: mastersmarketing.com. This can save your day if you are adrenally impaired and it won't surpress your adrenals at this level, even if it did you are already adrenal surpressed due to Copper or Hg anyways and you can always ween off and provide nutrients like Vitamin C and B5 too build them up. Adrenals glandulars,like armour (for the thyroid ie pig thyroid) were the first things used as cortisol until the world figured out how to synthetically synthesize it. Adrenal glandulars did nothing for me, I switched to cortisol and at first did nothing. I found that doing 2.5 mg 8x a day works better then 10 mg twice a day or 5 mg 4x a day. Take care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 > If this is REALLY a problem you > could try rubbing cortisol cream (any walmart, walgreens etc will have > this) Just rotate and you need about a tsp to tablespoon on each arm. > It is small amount. Do you sub this on at specific times like with HC oral supplementation? Andy suggests 1/4ml of 1% or 1/2ml of 2% HC cream orally in such situations. Would that correlate with the dosages you mention? It is quite hard to figure out the conversion, and is it the same amount whether you take it orally or topically. Thanks, Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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