Re: Armour/HC and chelating

[Guest guest]

Olif

I am in the same position in terms of mercury, weak adrenals,

hypothyroid. I am nearly 11 months post amalgam removal. Two things

occur to me here.

It may be the case that HC is not strong enough for you. I take

6.5mg of Prednisolone every day (the equivalent of 25mg of HC) - 5mg

in the morning, and 1.5mg at night. I started off on HC but I

couldn't take the swings in cortisol that took place as the HC wore

off. I know Pred is stronger, and will last all day.

It is likely that your adrenals are not producing enough aldosterone -

another adrenal hormone which controls sodium / potassium balance,

and which has a knock on effect on blood pressure, heart rate etc. I

recently increased my Florinef from 100mcg to 200mcg and my adrenals

have got much better. I even had a thyroid dump, which was

unexpected. By taking the extra aldosterone it must have freed up

the pred to use the thyroid hormone properly. Since then I have had

to reduce my Armour dose twice, as it gets used up more efficiently.

If your 30mg of HC is having to cover a lot of bases then it may feel

like it isn't enough, and you're right, chelating on top of all that

may simply be too much. I started two days ago on very low doses of

DMSA / ALA, and there is no doubt that it is very tough on the

adrenals.

I wonder if you could talk to your doctor about the extra adrenal

support. He may be open to it if he has prescribed Armour / HC.

Best

Nicola

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " Olif "

wrote:

>

> I have posted my problems with Armour and HC on the NTH lists, so I

apologize for a double post, but I don't know how I can chelate with

my problems on HC and Armour.

>

> I am on 30 mg HC spread in 5 doses. My body seems to constantly be

demanding it.

>

> I am trying to start Armour. At just 1/4 grain, my demand for HC is

rising. By evening I am getting flu-like symptoms and low cortisol

symptoms.

>

> There are likely multiple things taxing my adrenals- mercury,

thyroid, probably a virus (I am getting tested for various

bacteria/viruses right now), and who knows what else. I just don't

know how I can start chelating when I am having problems with my

adrenals even while starting just a tiny amount of Armour.

>

> I am going to call the doctor tomorrow to explain that my HC

demands are increasing with Armour. I wonder if he will tell me not

to take the Armour...I need the Armour though, because my thyroid is

low. What I really need is a doctor who really understands all of

this, and while mine prescribes Armour and HC, his understanding

could be much better! He isn't even sure about cortisol being needed

to get the thyroid hormone into the cells.

>

> I am 2 1/2 months post amalgam removal, and my body is probably

going to start dumping soon, if it hasn't already, which might

explain my HC demands.

>

> Any ideas are welcomed!

>

> Thanks,

> Olif

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- Olif

You should look into Aldosterone too. It may be that your adrenals are

not producing enough of this either and if this is the case, HC alone

will not be enough.

In frequent-dose-chelation , " Olif " wrote:

>

> I have posted my problems with Armour and HC on the NTH lists, so I

apologize for a double post, but I don't know how I can chelate with

my problems on HC and Armour.

>

> I am on 30 mg HC spread in 5 doses. My body seems to constantly be

demanding it.

>

> I am trying to start Armour. At just 1/4 grain, my demand for HC is

rising. By evening I am getting flu-like symptoms and low cortisol

symptoms.

>

> There are likely multiple things taxing my adrenals- mercury,

thyroid, probably a virus (I am getting tested for various

bacteria/viruses right now), and who knows what else. I just don't

know how I can start chelating when I am having problems with my

adrenals even while starting just a tiny amount of Armour.

>

> I am going to call the doctor tomorrow to explain that my HC demands

are increasing with Armour. I wonder if he will tell me not to take

the Armour...I need the Armour though, because my thyroid is low. What

I really need is a doctor who really understands all of this, and

while mine prescribes Armour and HC, his understanding could be much

better! He isn't even sure about cortisol being needed to get the

thyroid hormone into the cells.

>

> I am 2 1/2 months post amalgam removal, and my body is probably

going to start dumping soon, if it hasn't already, which might explain

my HC demands.

>

> Any ideas are welcomed!

>

> Thanks,

> Olif

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nicola:

" It is likely that your adrenals are not producing enough aldosterone -

another adrenal hormone which controls sodium / potassium balance,

and which has a knock on effect on blood pressure, heart rate etc. "

I have been wondering about this, too, because I am retaining water. I am going

to request that he tests mine when I see him in a few weeks.

Someone on another list also told me that I might be having a problem because

the Armour dose is simply too low. Usually people are started on 1 grain. He

started me on 1/4. The way it was explained to me, is that the hypothalamus gets

" happy " when it sees Armour. As the Armour decreases, it calls on the pituitary

to send out more TSH. The repeated yelling of TSH stresses the system, probably

increasing my HC needs as well.

I am going to try 1 grain divided into 2 doses today, to see if that helps.

Thanks!

-Olif