Re: Liver/Bile blockage

[Guest guest]

>Each time I developed lots of fatty stones

>which I removed using liver cleanses (i.e., drinking

>epson salts and olive oil). Cutler says liver

>cleanses are not good for mercury toxic people and are

>contraindicated. In my case I had complete biliary

>obstruction, which came with bloating, weight loss,

>high white blood count, pain, and other symptoms.

Hi Joanne,

I would locate a person well trained in Visceral Therapy.

http://www.iahp.com/pages/search/index.php

Mobilizing the organs can bring dramatic relief. Often the gall-bladder and

liver simply needs some mobilizing to free its fascial sheaths. One should think

of organs in the same way as you would joints - if they are stiff they need to

be moved.

Yes, as usual, I believe Andy to be absolutely correct - the liver cleanse is

hard on the mercury toxic liver. It does mobilise a lot of metals and get your

lymph moving. It should only be considered with that in mind as it can make the

mercury toxic person worse. Rather start with taurine, milk thistle and other

herbs that encourage bile flow.

I have done more than 30 liver cleanses (almost all before I found out about

Andy's work) and have assisted many through them. They are easy to do and

remove gallstones without surgery. You are likely to have thousands in there -

they only become calcified once they move into the gallbladder where the salts

are calcified and can only then be seen with Ultrasound. But there can be many

liver stones clogging the bile ducts in the liver. I never believed this and was

quite against these cleanses, but soon became convinced of their value. The

first few cleanses I did produced thousands of stones (some very large). Each

successive one produced less and now there are none when I do a cleanse, so it

is not the olive oil and grapefruit combining as some suggest. I always follow

it up with a round just in case I have stirred up some metals (as is what

usually happens to me).

I'm not advocating this for others, but as suggests some situations call

for it to be done.

As a physical therapist I have come to know pain referral patterns from the

organs and have seen them vanish when the organ is addressed. I now advise liver

cleanses with caution in mercury toxic people and prefer them to be chelating

first on the Cutler protocol and generally well and functional people. I don't

like very mercury toxic people doing this as most of us on this list are) If

you decide you have no option but to do it rather than loose a gallbladder to

medicines cutting machine: only consider Hulda 's liver flush and follow

the instructions EXACTLY (including completing the parasite cleanse first).

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/drclarknetwork/liver_and_gall_bladder_flush.html

To test, take 1 tablespoon of epsom salts in a 3/4glass of water when you have

the pain. Make sure it is 4 hours after food - if It mixes with food you will

feel ill. If the pain lessons are vanishes it is likely to be caused by

gall-bladder problems as Epsom salts relaxed the bile ducts. You will of course

have some diarrhoea as a result of this test :-)

Even 1/8-1/4 teaspoon of epsom salts a couple of times a day can help

tremendously long-term. Don't take at the same time as calcium supplements, but

you can take this small amount with food.

Dean

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[Guest guest]

So do this actually dissolve the gallstone or pass it whole?

>

> >Each time I developed lots of fatty stones

> >which I removed using liver cleanses (i.e., drinking

> >epson salts and olive oil). Cutler says liver

> >cleanses are not good for mercury toxic people and are

> >contraindicated. In my case I had complete biliary

> >obstruction, which came with bloating, weight loss,

> >high white blood count, pain, and other symptoms.

>

> Hi Joanne,

> I would locate a person well trained in Visceral Therapy.

http://www.iahp.com/pages/search/index.php

> Mobilizing the organs can bring dramatic relief. Often the

gall-bladder and liver simply needs some mobilizing to free its

fascial sheaths. One should think of organs in the same way as you

would joints - if they are stiff they need to be moved.

>

> Yes, as usual, I believe Andy to be absolutely correct - the liver

cleanse is hard on the mercury toxic liver. It does mobilise a lot of

metals and get your lymph moving. It should only be considered with

that in mind as it can make the mercury toxic person worse. Rather

start with taurine, milk thistle and other herbs that encourage bile flow.

>

> I have done more than 30 liver cleanses (almost all before I found

out about Andy's work) and have assisted many through them. They are

easy to do and remove gallstones without surgery. You are likely to

have thousands in there - they only become calcified once they move

into the gallbladder where the salts are calcified and can only then

be seen with Ultrasound. But there can be many liver stones clogging

the bile ducts in the liver. I never believed this and was quite

against these cleanses, but soon became convinced of their value. The

first few cleanses I did produced thousands of stones (some very

large). Each successive one produced less and now there are none when

I do a cleanse, so it is not the olive oil and grapefruit combining as

some suggest. I always follow it up with a round just in case I have

stirred up some metals (as is what usually happens to me).

> I'm not advocating this for others, but as suggests some

situations call for it to be done.

>

> As a physical therapist I have come to know pain referral patterns

from the organs and have seen them vanish when the organ is addressed.

I now advise liver cleanses with caution in mercury toxic people and

prefer them to be chelating first on the Cutler protocol and generally

well and functional people. I don't like very mercury toxic people

doing this as most of us on this list are) If you decide you have no

option but to do it rather than loose a gallbladder to medicines

cutting machine: only consider Hulda 's liver flush and follow

the instructions EXACTLY (including completing the parasite cleanse

first).

>

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/drclarknetwork/liver_and_gall_bladder_flush.html

>

> To test, take 1 tablespoon of epsom salts in a 3/4glass of water

when you have the pain. Make sure it is 4 hours after food - if It

mixes with food you will feel ill. If the pain lessons are vanishes it

is likely to be caused by gall-bladder problems as Epsom salts relaxed

the bile ducts. You will of course have some diarrhoea as a result of

this test :-)

> Even 1/8-1/4 teaspoon of epsom salts a couple of times a day can

help tremendously long-term. Don't take at the same time as calcium

supplements, but you can take this small amount with food.

>

> Dean

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> I would locate a person well trained in Visceral Therapy.

http://www.iahp.com/pages/search/index.php

This isn't available in this area. I have a friend who does lymph

drainage therapy. Would it be a good idea to see her? She was

visibly alarmed when I saw her about 18 months ago when she got to

the area around my liver.

I agree about using 's method for gallbladder cleanses.

My doctor & I discussed the gassiness/belching. Interestly, I'd

eaten an apple just before going in Tuesday and she saw just how

extreme this is.

I experience very difficult, periodic flare-ups of intestinal

inflammation. I'm certain it occurs in different spots, but don't

recall it happening so high up & close to my stomach. It always

seems connected with periods of extra outside pressure/expectations

(stress). Strangely, everything was getting much better until this

episode, which is why I'm inclined to connect it with my liver

dumping mercury due to adding ALA with chelation. Also, due to

feeling more energetic, I took on a lot of extra volunteer work.

I've long suspected I have Crohn's, and found that the maintenance

diet & supplements I have to stay on are very similar. I was

treated for malabsorption for nearly a year and a lot of progress

was made, but no effort was made to diagnose what was really going

on inside intestinal walls. I assumed it was candida and then

celiac. There is a low amount of sugars in my diet now, but it's

hard to imagine it's enough to keep a candida infection out of

hand. I treat for that about one week each month, just as a

maintenance measure, but there are generally little to no

reactions/expected side effects. I asked my doctor if it could be a

different sort of infection, such as bacterial, but she didn't

believe that would be the case. So how does an apple, on an empty

stomach, produce that much belching within 20 minutes or so?

Could it be that DMSA alone was cleaning up any remnants of mercury,

bringing improvement, only to add ALA with mercury in bile bringing

on severe inflammation? If this is Crohn's, and Crohn's is an

autoimmune reaction in the bowel due to mercury, will I be able to

chelate my brain?

Coffee enemas always result in a lot of painful gasiness in the

upper abdomen, even after months of extreme candida cleansing. Why?

Also, during a hysterectomy 15 years ago, 3 loops of bowel were

fused with adhesions to my uterus. The doctor didn't explain that

at all; he just said some people get them. What causes

adhesions...Crohn's???

Although I can have bouts of loose stools, constipation is something

I have to prevent on a daily basis with Oxycleanse (magnesium

peroxide), as recommended by a colon therapist several years ago.

>I now advise liver cleanses with caution in mercury toxic people

and prefer them to be chelating first on the Cutler protocol and

generally well and functional people.

At this stage, I consider myself primarily 'brain' toxic. I just

have to rely on many pricey hormones, supplements, and a low-dose

stimulant to maintain a " generally well and functional " status most

days... and fall apart from hair loss to loss of immune function to

brain fog to not having enough energy to get out of bed without

them. MCS continues. My hair test (already forwarded), probably

demonstrates brain toxicity fairly well: low toxic levels/low

mercury, high Ca,Mg,Barium,Strontium, with very low lithium. No

counting rules are met, with decades-long chronic exposure to

gold+amalgam, and I'm 2 years post-amalgam removal after following

mainstream chelation most of that time. If the gall bladder cleanse

sounds like a bad idea, please let me know.

I'll wait to do the epsom salts test (thanks so much for that one!)

until after getting abdominal ultrasound & 'hidascan' (sp?) testing

next week.

Thanks, Dean.

Joanne

[Guest guest]

It passes them whole - even lots of them or very large

stones. I have never felt them pass through the bile

ducts except once when I did it without taking the

epsom salts.

--- scwflanders955 scwflanders955@...> wrote:

> So do this actually dissolve the gallstone or pass

> it whole?

>

>

> >

> > >Each time I developed lots of fatty stones

> > >which I removed using liver cleanses (i.e.,

> drinking

> > >epson salts and olive oil). Cutler says liver

> > >cleanses are not good for mercury toxic people

> and are

> > >contraindicated. In my case I had complete

> biliary

> > >obstruction, which came with bloating, weight

> loss,

> > >high white blood count, pain, and other symptoms.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dean:

At what point did you decide to do the cleanses and did you do them on

the days you were/were not chelating? I did about 5 of these before I

knew I was mercury poisoned, then cautioned to lay off for a while, but

now I feel a lot of pressure building on my rib cage and stomach and

wearing any type of bra makes it hard to breathe, and want to try

cleanses again to aleviate. I was told that even if you do cleanses the

stones will come right back. However, the amalgams are out as of

2/8/07, I have been chelating the cutler way since 3/16/07, am on

digestive enzymes, beta plus, beta tcp and liverwort, and just

completed a round of meds to kill the parasites, so thought I could

start again and it may even help.

Thanks,

la

> >

> > >

> > > >Each time I developed lots of fatty stones

> > > >which I removed using liver cleanses (i.e.,

> > drinking

> > > >epson salts and olive oil). Cutler says liver

> > > >cleanses are not good for mercury toxic people

> > and are

> > > >contraindicated. In my case I had complete

> > biliary

> > > >obstruction, which came with bloating, weight

> > loss,

> > > >high white blood count, pain, and other symptoms.

> > >

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

>

At what point did you decide to do the cleanses and did you do them on

the days you were/were not chelating? I did about 5 of these before I

knew I was mercury poisoned, then cautioned to lay off for a while, but

now I feel a lot of pressure building on my rib cage and stomach and

wearing any type of bra makes it hard to breathe, and want to try

cleanses again to aleviate. I was told that even if you do cleanses the

stones will come right back.

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Yes, we are always making stones. Now when I do a cleanse only tiny ones come

out. The first cleanses I had thousands of stones, most the size of my thumb

nail, some bigger. It was shocking to me as I never really believed or expected

it.

I have done the cleanses properly for 5 years. Only chelated the last year and 2

months. I found the liver cleanses to be remarkable at clearing, in particular

my asthma. However, in retrospect I did feel that I over-did it (as I can) and

did too many liver cleanses. (One every few weeks at one point). I would not

advise this and I believe one or two a year are sufficient for most people to

keep the bile ducts free of obstruction. Now I always follow a liver cleanse

with a round of chelation, to catch any metals I may have set free.

I would not have gotten better without the Cutler protocol. Of that I'm certain.

Once again if you decide to go down that route make certain you have prepared

your other organs, parasite cleanse especially.

In my experience I'm wondering if it is true that low sulphate people tend to

make more stones. No medical evidence to back that statement up as we don't have

a lab to test plasma cysteine, but just on observation.

Low sulfate people tend to me a bit jittery, alert, nervous. I wonder if it is

the sulfite that can't convert into sulphate. I have just Epsom salts (Magnesium

Sulfate) daily for some time, and have just shifted to Glucosamine Sulfate to

see if that is better.

Also, if you believe the Blood Type diet has value, he says blood type A's don't

are prone to gall stones.

I have found taurine to be especially helpful at keeping my bile ducts open. I

am a fast metabolizer and need LOTS of fat to slow me down.

You can check if that pain is coming from your bile ducts/liver ducts by taking

1 tablespoon of epsom salts in 3/4 of water, 4 hours after food. If your pain

lessons or goes away it is.

I'm out of town till Monday and will miss all your posts, so until then Keep on

Chelating :-)

Dean

[Guest guest]

> Now I always follow a liver cleanse with a round of chelation, to

catch any metals I may have set free.

>

I have been wondering if a round of DMSA only might actually help

improve the inflammation in my upper GI area for the same reason. Any

thoughts on that?

Joanne

[Guest guest]

> Now I always follow a liver cleanse with a round of chelation, to

catch any metals I may have set free.

>

I have been wondering if a round of DMSA only might actually help

improve the inflammation in my upper GI area for the same reason. Any

thoughts on that?

Joanne