Guest guest Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 > > Here's a basic question I was wondering about. > > If mercury poisoning is, in part, interfering with the function of the thyroid, will chelation > allow the thyroid to function again and eventually eliminate the need for thyroid meds? It may. > Or is it once on thyroid meds, on them for life? Sometimes. >Same for adults and kids? Yup. Sometimes you need it forever, sometimes you can withdraw it, there is no real way to tell up front which is which. Given the extreme negatives of being too low, especially for children, and the very modest cost and relative ease of taking it, I think it is not a hard decision to give it a try if it might help you, and if it does help, not to get all wound up about whether it is for life or just for a while. > Thanks, > > in Illinois > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 > > Here's a basic question I was wondering about. > > If mercury poisoning is, in part, interfering with the function of the thyroid, will chelation > allow the thyroid to function again and eventually eliminate the need for thyroid meds? That's the hope. If you chelate fully, provide yourself with lots of nutrients, plenty of rest, and love...I think there's a good chance of healing structural damage. I'm not sure exactly how the functional part of the problem would heal. Perhaps as you wean off thyroid hormone and gradually more demands are placed on the body's thyroid function, things fall back into place. > Or is it once on thyroid meds, on them for life? Same for adults and kids? I imagine kids are more resilient and have a better chance at quick and full restoration of thyroid function. I expect it's harder for adults, and might take longer if more damage has occurred over a longer time period. I do believe it's possible. I'm not going to wait for chelation to repair my thyroid function. I am hoping to improve the dysregulation aspect of things even before chelation is complete by doing the protocol described here: http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com (This protocol requires that your adrenals are in good shape or are well supported.) I don't know if this will work for me, but I feel it's worth a try. -- > Thanks, > > in Illinois > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 > I'm not going to wait for chelation to repair my thyroid function. > I am hoping to improve the dysregulation aspect of things even before > chelation is complete by doing the protocol described here: > http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com > (This protocol requires that your adrenals are in good shape or > are well supported.) > I don't know if this will work for me, but I feel it's worth a try. Dear , A few days ago I started taking my temps for the first time as per Dr Rind's suggestions and was astounded to find that my temps average about 96.8. (2 degrees below optimal). I had always thought/believed I was hyperthyroid. Lots of energy, motivated, thin etc. I thought the lack of sweating was adrenal in nature. Well, now I surprised. Thanks for posting the answer to my recent internal question. It seems likely I need to consider 's Temperature Syndrome. Reading briefly through the link it looks fascinating and resonated. My only problem is that I have no access to sustained release T3 for a trial. Do you know if this can be trialed with normal T3 and if so how? Any other comments would be great. It seems that since I got my adrenals sorted out (thanks to chelation) my thyroid has gotten relatively weaker. I have had dry skin, aching joints, hair changes, feeling cold. All recently - last 2 months and sudden onset. All other symptoms have gone and these are new ones that have come out the blue. Not like the fatigue etc, more irritating than debilitating. I just never believed I could have a thyroid problem considering how I look/act. Well, now I'm not so sure. Thanks for posting this - any further info would be appreciated. Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 Hi Dean It seems to me there is alot of contention with 's Syndrome. Alot of authorities (which we know are not always very reliable to say the least), say that under stress we do produce too much Reverse T3 however this can easily be reverted back to T3 after the stress has passed or if your are hypothyroid, taking normal T3 will sort out the problem. Dr Barry Peatfield, how i have been using as a consultant is one of the best doctors in this field and also mention in his book, Your Thyroid and how to keep it Healthy that if your thyroid and adrenals are now healthy and you still are having problems is to check out if you have Mercury poisioning issues (as this effects the thyroid production too). Dr Peatfield quotes in his bookm about 's Syndrome is, " It has to be said there is little evidence to supportDr 's contention, although as we know, illness and lefe events may cause permanent thyroid damage, but whether it is a RT3/T3 problem is really not clear. My own view is that here is a poor T4 to T3 conversion and low T3 uptake by tissue receptors as a result of receptor resistance together with the failure to produce sufficent DHEA and Cortisol. Dr s treatment consists of managing the patient on high and increasing does of T3 (usually in a specially prepared sustained release form) broken up by period without treatment. This he claims brings the natural mechanism back on line. My problem (as with many others) is that high does of T3 ab initio may cause a number of hyperthyroid side effects, which may be more uncomfortable if not actually dangerous. Also many patients with poor conversion will respond to T3 anyway, but the doses may not need to be so high. In summary, I along with others are far from convinced that his approach brings any useful advantages in the treatment of hypothyroidism. T3 has a most important part to play where there are conversion problems and should additionally be used to balance the use of T4 in any but the mildest form of hypothyroidism " . I am now on 4 grains of Armour and 30mg of HC a day. Dr Peatfield has now said that i need to add T3 in my regime on top of my Armour dosage as i have a poor t4 to t3 conversion and to add 0.1mg Florinef to suuport my adrenalf futhers due to my low aldosterone readings. If i were you Dean i would slowly at regular intervals add T3 maybe split into two dosages throughout the day (say one dose on rising and one does at noon). Its also a known fact that some people cannot sleep if they take T3 too late in the day. Russ > > > > I'm not going to wait for chelation to repair my thyroid function. > > I am hoping to improve the dysregulation aspect of things even before > > chelation is complete by doing the protocol described here: > > http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com > > (This protocol requires that your adrenals are in good shape or > > are well supported.) > > I don't know if this will work for me, but I feel it's worth a try. > > Dear , > A few days ago I started taking my temps for the first time as per Dr Rind's > suggestions and was astounded to find that my temps average about 96.8. (2 > degrees below optimal). > I had always thought/believed I was hyperthyroid. Lots of energy, motivated, > thin etc. I thought the lack of sweating was adrenal in nature. Well, now I > surprised. Thanks for posting the answer to my recent internal question. > > It seems likely I need to consider 's Temperature Syndrome. Reading > briefly through the link it looks fascinating and resonated. My only problem > is that I have no access to sustained release T3 for a trial. Do you know if > this can be trialed with normal T3 and if so how? > Any other comments would be great. > > It seems that since I got my adrenals sorted out (thanks to chelation) my > thyroid has gotten relatively weaker. > I have had dry skin, aching joints, hair changes, feeling cold. All > recently - last 2 months and sudden onset. All other symptoms have gone and > these are new ones that have come out the blue. Not like the fatigue etc, > more irritating than debilitating. I just never believed I could have a > thyroid problem considering how I look/act. Well, now I'm not so sure. > Thanks for posting this - any further info would be appreciated. > Dean > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 > > Hi Dean > > It seems to me there is alot of contention with 's Syndrome. I don't believe the syndrome itself (ie, the phenomena of low body temperature and many associated symptoms) is in contention. I also don't think there is any question that the treatment works reasonably well for many people - when the protocol is followed. I would not be surprised if many patients don't follow the protocol carefully and/or give up too soon. What you may mean is that the explanation for why the s treatment works (the story about T3/reverse T3) is questionable. That seems to be true. (But I don't care why it works or even whether anyone understands why it works.) > Dr s treatment consists of managing the patient on high and > increasing does of T3 (usually in a specially prepared sustained > release form) broken up by period without treatment. This he claims > brings the natural mechanism back on line. The treatment starts with 7.5 mcg doses. Dose is increased daily in 7.5 mcg increments as long as there are no symptoms. If there are symptoms, there are a number of ways to address them (herbal treatment, T4 dose, reduce T3 dose, don't increase, follow protocol more carefully). > My problem (as with many others) is that high does of T3 ab initio may > cause a number of hyperthyroid side effects, which may be more > uncomfortable if not actually dangerous. I don't believe 7.5 mcg is considered a high starting dose. Incremental dosing goes up to 90 mcg, as necessary. It is not necessary for everyone, and you certainly don't increase to this level in the face of significant symptoms. As mentioned above, symptoms are supposed to be tracked and addressed to prevent problems. Also many patients with poor > conversion will respond to T3 anyway, but the doses may not need to be > so high. In summary, I along with others are far from convinced that > his approach brings any useful advantages in the treatment of > hypothyroidism. T3 has a most important part to play where there are > conversion problems and should additionally be used to balance the use > of T4 in any but the mildest form of hypothyroidism " . To me, the big advantage would be raising my temperature, and improving my symptoms, so I possibly won't need to take thyroid hormone at all. For me that would be a big win. Even if it doesn't work or only partially works, all I have lost is a little time. I've waited a long, long time already. A little more time is a small thing to me. I also have a feeling (just a gut feeling, I guess) that whatever I can do to improve my endogenous thyroid function before further thyroid treatment will improve my chance of fully healing my thyroid in the long-run. > I am now on 4 grains of Armour and 30mg of HC a day. Dr Peatfield has > now said that i need to add T3 in my regime on top of my Armour dosage > as i have a poor t4 to t3 conversion and to add 0.1mg Florinef to > suuport my adrenalf futhers due to my low aldosterone readings. One of the reasons I have avoided dealing with my thyroid problem until now (other than not having typical thyroid symptoms) is that when I read the NTH, NTHadrenals, and other thyroid support groups, people always seem to be dealing with symptoms, increasing/decreasing dose, adding other hormones, trying to figure it all out. Honestly, they seem to have an awful lot of ups and downs and don't seem to be doing all that well. My mother has been on various forms of thyroid support (including Armour and Cytomel) most of her life, and it has always been this way for her, too. I have enough trouble dealing with adjusting my supplements, and dealing with all the other symptoms I have. I would rather have some temporary inconvenience (remembering to take the T3 doses exactly on time, taking temps 3 times per day, and heart rate once per day) in the pursuit of possibly needing NO thyroid hormones in the long-run. > If i were you Dean i would slowly at regular intervals add T3 maybe > split into two dosages throughout the day (say one dose on rising and > one does at noon). Its also a known fact that some people cannot sleep > if they take T3 too late in the day. I take my night dose of SR T3 at 11pm. It does not interfere with my sleep. I have heard some negative stuff about s protocol, but most who bash it have not tried it themselves and do not seem to have full and accurate information on it. I have seen a couple reports of people who tried it, but there were hints that they were not following the procedure carefully. I find it interesting and more hopeful than what I have read on support groups. It may or may not work for me, but I feel there is lots of potential and nothing to lose. -- > Russ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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