Olif - copper/zinc

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> " I do suggest working on the malabsorption indicated by the all low

> test because that is very likely to contribute to imbalance or

> deficiency. I did not work on this very hard at first - only took

> digestive enzymes and ascorbic acid, which did not help. Now I am

> taking betaine HCL, but haven't done any testing yet to see if

> mineral levels have improved. "

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> I have been doing digestive enzymes too. I am switching to ascorbic

acid, because I am muscle testing weak for the Ester-C that I have

been taking for many months. I actually tested weak to almost every

vit. C supplement in our store, except for a few that all contained

rose hips. Interesting, huh?!

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Ester-C won't help with absorption anyway, as it is a buffered

type. You want ascorbic acid. I wonder if the ones with rose hips

have ascorbic acid?

If NST is anything like NAET, they should be able to treat an

intolerance for vit C or any other supplement. But it may not be

similar to NAET as are some of the other approaches, like Bioset.

I didn't have good luck with HCl last summer.

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It is hard at first. Adrenal fatigue leaves you with a weak stomach

lining. This is why I opted for digestive enzymes first, but wish

I'd gotten back around to the betaine sooner. You have to start it

very low and increase. If you tolerate the cider vinegar, it works

fine to increase your stomach acid.

My MD told me to start taking apple cider vinegar with each meal. I

just need to start doing it! Being a blood type A, I probably need it.

I just really don't drink with meals and haven't gotten into the habit

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The recommendations I've usually read are to take a teaspoon of

cider vinegar in water a little while before the meal. If you

tolerate that, you can increase it. If you have any problems with

it, back off to a lower amount or drop it.

I should try cider vinegar again myself. I've not tolerated it

in the past, but maybe I will now.

of taking it yet. I better do it. What else can I do for absorption-

l-glutamine? I eat dairy and gluten free, because I have to. I take a

good probiotic daily too.

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Glutamine is indicated for leaky gut problems. Won't help with

absorption as far as I know.

Really the main thing you need is more stomach acid. In order to

tolerate more, you have to put a little more in there so the stomach

knows to build up its lining.

I'm also gluten free. One of the great things NAET did for me was

help me tolerate some goat yogurt. I eat it twice per week and love

it. I never tolerated dairy in my life before the treatment.

Unfortunately, the goat yogurt is the only dairy I can do, but is

so nice.

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> distinction is copper toxicity causes bigger PMS issues for

> women. If you have PMS, think copper. "

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> I have mild PMS. Some months I don't have it at all. Some months I

do a bit. For some reason I am having breast tenderness since I

chelated last week, and I am not even close to menstruating. I don't

know what that is about...Hmmm, higher levels of copper can produce

higher levels of estrogen, which can lead to breast tenderness. Does

that sound right? Maybe the round took too much zinc from me.

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That does sound like pretty mild PMS. Yes, I have read copper

affects estrogen. You might benefit from progesterone.

> " Muscle testing weak can mean you are not absorbing or using these

> well. Did you test weak or strong to copper? (Do it double-blind.) "

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> Guess what?! Yesterday I had a lady at work test me for zinc

picolinate, and I tested strong. It wasn't double blind, and I went

into it thinking, " this will be weak. " The zinc I have been taking is

zinc gluconate. I just found an article this morning on PubMed, which

says the picolinate was much better absorbed in people than the

gluconate form. I did test strong for copper too, though. Maybe I need

both. I will talk with my MD about it, and switch zinc in the meantime.

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I have tried to trick the muscle testing, too, but can't do it, at

least not with a good practitioner.

I tolerate picolinate much better than gluconate.

> When I take the zinc status, I can taste it in less than 10 seconds,

so I am not likely that deficient. This was a couple months ago, and I

still continued to take 75 mg daily since then. I don't have any

symptoms for zinc excess or deficiency.

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I have used a product called Gammadyn Zn-Cu - supposed to help

maintain the balance of zinc and copper. The indications they give

for it are endocrine problems. There's not that much zinc in it

(though it has a meaningful amount of copper, about .5 mg) - it works

homeopathically I think. It is a liquid and it tastes sweet to me,

and I think this means I need it.

They have a Gammadyn Cu, which I tried on my ND's recommendation.

It had a lot of copper in it, and even though I took just a small

amount it tasted really, really horrible, metallic. It also worsened

candida.

Some of the other Gammadyn mineral products have really helped me,

though, especially the magnesium and lithium.

> " Look at symptoms of copper deficiency and excess. Also look at

> symptoms of zinc deficiency and excess. "

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> I don't really have any of these symptoms. Fatigue I have, but

honestly that is so much better since starting HC and Armour. I

actually feel really good many days now!

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> My balance must be off though. I will see if the MD thinks I should

be tested.

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I'm so glad you finally got on the adrenal and thyroid support and

it is working. Must be a relief.

> " With an all-low hair test, you might want to look at a multi-min

> supplement (such as Biotics Multi-Mins or VRP Advanced Essential

> Minerals). "

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> I am taking Thorne's multi. Since it is a 6/day, I think it has

plenty of minerals. I take a cal/mag supplement in addition to this

(and zinc and molybdenum). I will look into those multimins and compare.

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Sounds good.

I hope the new doc works out for you. Do be cautious, though.

Doctors, even though they mean well, are not always perfect at

recognizing what is going on and at knowing what will help.

I use a practitioner recommended by Andy. She is smart and she

is familiar with Andy's ideas, but she is not perfect and I still

have to be careful.

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> Thanks, !

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> -Olif

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