Amalgam inside crowns

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This week while visiting my dentist, and just to be extra certain, I

asked him to clarify whether there was any possibility I still have

amalgam under some crowns. He recommended getting in touch with

past dentists, and I was able to confirm through one of them that

amalgam was placed between a root canal and crown (not used to fill

the canal itself). I'm still waiting to hear from a prior dentist

who placed a bridge & gold crown 15 years ago that are still in

place. Since records wouldn't be retained from that far back, he'll

be guessing as to what was used.

News like that is terribly discouraging. If any crowns or the

bridge are to be removed, I have to anticipate partial dentures & am

pretty young for that. My teeth, gums, and jawline all seem

perfectly healthy since my amalgams came out & I'd never had a

comfortable, problem-free mouth until now.

What are the risks of frequent dosing with DMSA & ALA and leaving

the crowns & bridge in place? A choice between having teeth or

taking a chance with chelation of having normal hormone levels &

immune function is not an easy one to consider.

Thanks,

Joanne

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Would implants be a possibility for you? There are a number of steps

involved, but with a good dentist, should go well. My son has had three

implants by the age of 19, due to being born with no adult teeth in 4

places. My husband is in the process of getting crowns removed and abcessed

teeth extracted, implants put in, before he can chelate. He's not sick at

this point, but doing it pre-emptively, gradually.

I'm so sorry you are facing this dilemma, I know how discouraging the whole

process can seem. But it may not be as bad as you think, if you get a good

bio-dentist who can help you through it.

Good Luck!

NJ

> Amalgam inside crowns

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> This week while visiting my dentist, and just to be extra certain, I

> asked him to clarify whether there was any possibility I still have

> amalgam under some crowns. He recommended getting in touch with

> past dentists, and I was able to confirm through one of them that

> amalgam was placed between a root canal and crown (not used to fill

> the canal itself). I'm still waiting to hear from a prior dentist

> who placed a bridge & gold crown 15 years ago that are still in

> place. Since records wouldn't be retained from that far back, he'll

> be guessing as to what was used.

>

> News like that is terribly discouraging. If any crowns or the

> bridge are to be removed, I have to anticipate partial dentures & am

> pretty young for that. My teeth, gums, and jawline all seem

> perfectly healthy since my amalgams came out & I'd never had a

> comfortable, problem-free mouth until now.

>

> What are the risks of frequent dosing with DMSA & ALA and leaving

> the crowns & bridge in place? A choice between having teeth or

> taking a chance with chelation of having normal hormone levels &

> immune function is not an easy one to consider.

>

> Thanks,

> Joanne

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[Guest guest]

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> This week while visiting my dentist, and just to be extra certain,

I

> asked him to clarify whether there was any possibility I still have

> amalgam under some crowns. He recommended getting in touch with

> past dentists, and I was able to confirm through one of them that

> amalgam was placed between a root canal and crown (not used to fill

> the canal itself). I'm still waiting to hear from a prior dentist

> who placed a bridge & gold crown 15 years ago that are still in

> place. Since records wouldn't be retained from that far back,

he'll

> be guessing as to what was used.

>

> News like that is terribly discouraging. If any crowns or the

> bridge are to be removed, I have to anticipate partial dentures &

am

> pretty young for that. My teeth, gums, and jawline all seem

> perfectly healthy since my amalgams came out & I'd never had a

> comfortable, problem-free mouth until now.

>

> What are the risks of frequent dosing with DMSA & ALA and leaving

> the crowns & bridge in place?

TK--- if there is amalgam under them it will make you worse if you

chelate, if not you will do ok. some people that can not find out do

trial rounds, some remove the crowns to look. many times amalgam is

found under crowns unless it is very recent work from conscientious

amalgam free dentists. it is a hard choice. get as much info as you

can as to your options from different sources if you decide to remove

the crowns and not from just one source, get several opinions.

A choice between having teeth or

> taking a chance with chelation of having normal hormone levels &

> immune function is not an easy one to consider.

>

> Thanks,

> Joanne

>

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If amalgam is there, you can't chelate. I would go with the metal

free partials. Root canals are toxic to your immune system. They are

dead teeth. The bacteria emited from these has been found in tumors

and is beleived to be connected to heart disease and cancers. I am

also young, and chose to rip out my abscessed tooth. The fakes today

look really nice. Implants consist of titanium posts into your jaw

bone. I have not heard good things, some people are leaching

titanium when chelating or developing allergies to them, others, the

jaw bone does not heal up around the implant and they end up with

cavitations and problems. From a body healing perspective, these

would not be recomended.

Anything done 15 years ago almost certainly has amalgam under it.

Amalgam and gold make for a nice battery effect in the mouth, and

cause faster mercury leaching from amalgams.

It's not an easy choice at all. But in essence, you can't deal with

your mercury problem while you have those crowns with amalgam. And

you would still have an large immune assault if you leave the root

canaled teeth. This may interfere with healing and add an additional

burden to your body during chelation. A Huggins or holistic dentist

would advise pulling them. So no crown and bride in place for

chelation. Nickel will be pulled from the metal bridge (if its

metal). We have had people dumping tons of nickle on urine tests

from metal in the mouth. No clue how much stays in the body. None of

us can tell you how to decide. Just going on what we know. I had to

go through this decision making myself, but looking back, and how

good I feel now..I don't miss the tooth.

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> This week while visiting my dentist, and just to be extra certain,

I

> asked him to clarify whether there was any possibility I still

have

> amalgam under some crowns. He recommended getting in touch with

> past dentists, and I was able to confirm through one of them that

> amalgam was placed between a root canal and crown (not used to

fill

> the canal itself). I'm still waiting to hear from a prior dentist

> who placed a bridge & gold crown 15 years ago that are still in

> place. Since records wouldn't be retained from that far back,

he'll

> be guessing as to what was used.

>

> News like that is terribly discouraging. If any crowns or the

>

[Guest guest]

Jan, I really appreciate your response in this matter. In fact, my

dentist is a holistic, Huggins-trained dentist going back to the early

days. He takes a conservative stand and doesn't remove teeth unless

they truly present a problem. I have respected that because, as

patients, we always have to be concerned about whether we're being

exploited in any way. Based on what we've seen in over two years post-

amalgam removal, he made good decisions based on what he could tell at

the time my work was done. My dementia was too severe to have enabled

me to understand much on my own behalf at that time. But he

acknowledges he is not the expert on chelation. He's been hopeful for

many years that some doctor within reasonable proximity would 'pick up

the ball' on helping patients detoxify, and I'm basically the best

guinea pig he's had for helping to see that this will happen.

We had a long chat about the problems associated with standard

recommendations for detoxification and chelation, my concerns about

potential amalgam hidden below remaining bridgework & crowns, and the

frequent-dose chelation program that's been helping me since January.

Because I personally worked in that office a few months, I remain a

bit of an 'insider'. I'm familiar with all of the problems associated

with root canals, etc., and have had two previous extractions where

absesses occurred. If I'm to consider partials, which was never

presented to me as being necessary, my considerable amalgam removal

process was a complete waste. My Huggins trained dentist has never

advocated for dentures as a preferable alternative to safely restored,

well functioning, pain-free teeth. He does not do root canals, but he

also does not indiscriminately remove teeth that have them if they do

not pose a problem.

I've obtained information on the material that was used to fill the

root canal in question, and will look into just what type of 'road

block' it set up that has prevented mercury and absess-type problems

from becoming evident in the six years since the root canal was done.

The gold crown and bridge were installed by a dentist who always

removed all traces of amalgam first. I don't like having either of

them, and am well aware of the connection between nickel and

development of cancer, but I'm not ready for dentures and am not ready

for additional dental bills, especially when the teeth pose no

problems whatsoever. If I find there is little likelihood that

mercury could leak or chelate through the canal filling material, I'd

prefer to keep the tooth for a while. If I get the slightest sense

that chelation creates a problem, it will have to go.

It's been my understanding that nickel and other metals used in

binding the bridge would not present a significant chelation problem.

Who are you working with and what other information can you provide on

this?

Do you know of resources on specific dental materials that can inform

me of how well various filling materials serve as barriers to amalgam?

Thanks,

Joanne

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> If amalgam is there, you can't chelate. I would go with the metal

> free partials.

[Guest guest]

Here's part of the problem: I don't know what it feels like NOT to

have mercury symptoms in the first place. Symptom levels have been up

and down since receiving my first amalgam filling at age 4. I had

annual dental work after that with plenty of mercury to play with and

mercury band-aids inbetween. Before graduating from high school, I

had a molar extracted, a root canal, a gold crown, fillings in every

tooth, and worsening immune function & fatigue. There were also

unexplained, occasional spells of improvement. I was a very slow &

sluggish kid and found ways to compensate in adulthood with things

like coffee and loads of vigorous exercise.

So far, trialing chelation since January, I've seen enough

improvement to know this is worth continuing. It's clearly hard on my

body in many respects, too. I've taken a break for a few weeks to let

things level out a while, assess changes, and have realized I can

actually eat without digestive enzymes for the first time in many

years. But how long does it take " on trial " to know if chelation

that's pulling hidden amalgam is making you worse? A schedule that

prevents me from exercizing a couple weeks makes me 'worse', as does a

poorer diet for a few days, or exposure to certain chemicals, among

any number of other factors. The point is, I don't have a 'healthy'

frame of reference to begin with and I'm not sure I'd be able to gauge

whether or not hidden amalgam beneath crowns was making me worse until

actual dental or absess-type problems occurred.

If anyone has experienced this, I'd really appreciate hearing about

your experiences. Thanks,

Joanne

> TK--- if there is amalgam under them it will make you worse if you

> chelate, if not you will do ok. some people that can not find out

do

> trial rounds, some remove the crowns to look.

[Guest guest]

> The point is, I don't have a 'healthy' frame of reference to begin

> with and I'm not sure I'd be able to gauge whether or not hidden

> amalgam beneath crowns was making me worse until actual dental or

> absess- type problems occurred.

>

> If anyone has experienced this, I'd really appreciate hearing about

> your experiences. Thanks,

>

I think that once we've lost our frame of reference we really need to rely on

our own intuition. At least that's the way it's been for me. So far, I seem to

have a pretty good sense of when something is miserable but beneficial versus

something that is miserable and doing me no good. When I'm uncertain, I'll

break from whatever intervention I'm trying, wait until I'm solidly back to

" baseline " and then try again.

I would guess that since you already know some of your cause and effect pairs

(no exercise = worsening, poor diet = worsening) you could especially be on the

look-out for changes that don't match expected patterns. Keeping a symptom

journal might be a good idea.

[Guest guest]

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> Here's part of the problem: I don't know what it feels like NOT to

> have mercury symptoms in the first place. Symptom levels have been

up

> and down since receiving my first amalgam filling at age 4. I had

> annual dental work after that with plenty of mercury to play with

and

> mercury band-aids inbetween. Before graduating from high school, I

> had a molar extracted, a root canal, a gold crown, fillings in

every

> tooth, and worsening immune function & fatigue. There were also

> unexplained, occasional spells of improvement. I was a very slow &

> sluggish kid and found ways to compensate in adulthood with things

> like coffee and loads of vigorous exercise.

>

> So far, trialing chelation since January, I've seen enough

> improvement to know this is worth continuing.

TK--- this is enough to tell you that most likely you do not have

amalgam under your crown.

It's clearly hard on my

> body in many respects, too. I've taken a break for a few weeks to

let

> things level out a while, assess changes, and have realized I can

> actually eat without digestive enzymes for the first time in many

> years. But how long does it take " on trial " to know if chelation

> that's pulling hidden amalgam is making you worse?

TK--- a round

A schedule that

> prevents me from exercizing a couple weeks makes me 'worse', as

does a

> poorer diet for a few days, or exposure to certain chemicals, among

> any number of other factors. The point is, I don't have

a 'healthy'

> frame of reference to begin with and I'm not sure I'd be able to

gauge

> whether or not hidden amalgam beneath crowns was making me worse

until

> actual dental or absess-type problems occurred.

>

> If anyone has experienced this, I'd really appreciate hearing about

> your experiences. Thanks,

>

> Joanne

>

> > TK--- if there is amalgam under them it will make you worse if

you

> > chelate, if not you will do ok. some people that can not find

out

> do

> > trial rounds, some remove the crowns to look.

>

[Guest guest]

You make a really good point, and I'm reminded of a couple great

practitioners I was seeing a few years ago who had expertise with

muscle testing. It was a really quick & easy way to refine and

correct my supplements so I only took the ones that were truly

helpful. It's too bad more doctors, nurse practitioners, etc.,

aren't trained in this, because we could all save a lot of money &

reduce symptoms faster by purchasing only the supplements our

bodies 'like' in the first place. In my experience, at the height

of illness, it's almost impossible for mercury toxic people to sort

through all the subtle 'shades of gray' in the way their bodies are

reacting to things.

Because of my exposure to energy medicine, I sometimes just hold a

bottle full of a new supplement in my hand a few minutes to see how

it 'feels'. When I held a bottle of DMSA, it was like a giant

Mexican jumping bean! It was such an odd sensation that I rechecked

it several times like this for a week before starting a round.

Interestingly, I feel great when I'm taking it alone without ALA -

like a lot of internal switches finally got turned on.

Joanne

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> I think that once we've lost our frame of reference we really need

to rely on our own intuition. At least that's the way it's been for

me. So far, I seem to have a pretty good sense of when something is

miserable but beneficial versus something that is miserable and

doing me no good. When I'm uncertain, I'll break from whatever

intervention I'm trying, wait until I'm solidly back to " baseline "

and then try again