Re: ? on optimal dose of Armour thyroid

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My new doctor just wrote me a prescription for Armour that allows me to go up to

2 1/2 grains. This was after I told her I had nodules, and she said that I

REALLY need the Armour. I am only on 1 1/4 now, so she is allowing me a lot of

increase before I see her next.

I forgot to ask what the upper amount usually is. :-(

In my opinion, if you monitor by saliva, you should know when to stop. I think

the blood is iffy, because it isn't tissue representation.

BTW, my new doc gave me a prescription for DMSA and thinks I should start adding

in ALA now. She likes Andy's protocol. :-)

-Olif

P.S. My new AWESOME doctor offered me a job yesterday, too!!! I might take it!

:-)

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My new doctor just wrote me a prescription for Armour that allows me to go up to

2 1/2 grains. This was after I told her I had nodules, and she said that I

REALLY need the Armour. I am only on 1 1/4 now, so she is allowing me a lot of

increase before I see her next.

I forgot to ask what the upper amount usually is. :-(

In my opinion, if you monitor by saliva, you should know when to stop. I think

the blood is iffy, because it isn't tissue representation.

BTW, my new doc gave me a prescription for DMSA and thinks I should start adding

in ALA now. She likes Andy's protocol. :-)

-Olif

P.S. My new AWESOME doctor offered me a job yesterday, too!!! I might take it!

:-)

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My new doctor just wrote me a prescription for Armour that allows me to go up to

2 1/2 grains. This was after I told her I had nodules, and she said that I

REALLY need the Armour. I am only on 1 1/4 now, so she is allowing me a lot of

increase before I see her next.

I forgot to ask what the upper amount usually is. :-(

In my opinion, if you monitor by saliva, you should know when to stop. I think

the blood is iffy, because it isn't tissue representation.

BTW, my new doc gave me a prescription for DMSA and thinks I should start adding

in ALA now. She likes Andy's protocol. :-)

-Olif

P.S. My new AWESOME doctor offered me a job yesterday, too!!! I might take it!

:-)

[Guest guest]

I would suggest you visit the www.stopthethyroidmaddness.com

They have all the info you need on armour. Also the yahoo health

group :naturalthyroidhormones is excellent. I have heard 2-3 grains

but you need to introuduce it lower and work it up. It will depend on

symptoms as to how much.

>

> I was reading Broda Barne's book " Hypothyroidism " and I was

surprised

> to read that in order to relieve symptoms it most commonly took 2

> grains, sometimes 3, and rarely 4. (<---that is almost a direct

quote)

>

> I also read Derry's book " Breast Cancer and Iodine " and he

says

> 3-5 grains were most commonly prescribed to relieve symptoms

[Guest guest]

>

> I would suggest you visit the www.stopthethyroidmaddness.com

> They have all the info you need on armour. Also the yahoo health

> group :naturalthyroidhormones is excellent. I have heard 2-3 grains

> but you need to introuduce it lower and work it up. It will depend on

> symptoms as to how much.

>

Thanks Jan, I've read over at STTM, and I skim NTH. I'm looking for different

opinions than

the standard advice one finds at those two sites (which IME seems to be it's

rare to optimize

under 3 grains).

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

,

Have you considered this?

http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/

I am trying it. Even if I still need to take some thyroid hormone

after doing this, it may reduce the dose I require.

Then again, it may not work, but I feel it is worth a try.

FYI, this protocol uses sustained release T3, not Armour, although

one could certainly use Armour after getting whatever benefit they

can from trying s protocol.

--

>

> I was reading Broda Barne's book " Hypothyroidism " and I was surprised

> to read that in order to relieve symptoms it most commonly took 2

> grains, sometimes 3, and rarely 4. (<---that is almost a direct quote)

>

> I also read Derry's book " Breast Cancer and Iodine " and he says

> 3-5 grains were most commonly prescribed to relieve symptoms before

> MDs became hooked to the TSH test.

>

> Here is a quote from Derry, taken from About.com

>

> " Physicians before 1975 found the minimum clinically effective dose

> for hypothyroid patients was about 180 mg of desiccated thyroid or

> 180 micrograms of eltroxine (T4). (2) Physicians of the 1960s had

> great difficulty detecting any effects clinically or by laboratory

> tests, for patients on doses lower than 180 mg. Therefore your dose

> of 60 or 120 mg is not likely to work. At the same time that dose of

> thyroid will likely turn your thyroid off. This means you will only

> feel the benefits of the 60 mg of thyroid you are taking. But if your

> thyroid gland beforehand was putting out 100 mg of thyroid then you

> have just lowered your thyroid levels. This could account for feeling

> worse when you started on the medication. Likely a desiccated thyroid

> dose around 180-300 mg will solve your problems. "

>

> Over at Natural Thyroid Hormones and Stop The Thyroid Madness, it

> seems they are more like Derry, saying that most people need 3-5

> grains of Armour as an optimal dose.

>

> Can anyone shed some light on the difference between and Derry?

>

> For those of you on Armour, what kind of doses are you taking?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've read about it ('s Syndrome), briefly, but haven't seriously

considered trying it.

I've had a rough go of it since about December, and I had been doing so well

before that.

My periods are messed. up. So, no doubt I need some help balancing sex

hormones.

I started Armour in May, but I'm having chest tightness/discomfort and an

elevated pulse.

The DO I'm seeing wants me to start over at 1/2 grain and take it very, very

slow.

He wants to check my adrenals again too. The plan is once my thyroid is

optimized, we can

adjust the sex hormones.

I haven't done any rounds for myself or the kids since...April? I have not

felt up to it at all.

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

>

> http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/

> FYI, this protocol uses sustained release T3, not Armour, although

> one could certainly use Armour after getting whatever benefit they

> can from trying s protocol.

> --

Hi ,

Since altering me to this condition I have been monitoring my temps and am

astounded to find they average 96.8 (36 degrees centigrade). With low

temperatures many enzymes do not work anymore (just like with mercury). I'm

looking into sorting my low temps out with the sustained release T3.

Tell me, what does someone do that is low temperature, but is already on

Armour?

She is one 3 grains, and increasing by 1/4 each week. Still no resolution of

her symptoms and low temps.

Can she take sustained release T3 on top of Armour to correct this?

Thanks,

Dean

[Guest guest]

So sorry to hear you are feeling poorly, .

It does sound like too high a dose - or perhaps you need some

T3 in addition to Armour?? I don't know enough.

Not sure why you need to optimize Armour before addressing

female hormones? Does your doctor seem knowledgeable about

hormone treatment? Even if he is, mercury-toxic people are

not like everyone else.

I hope you get to feeling better and more balanced soon.

Take good care,

--

>

> I've read about it ('s Syndrome), briefly, but haven't

seriously considered trying it.

>

> I've had a rough go of it since about December, and I had been doing

so well before that.

>

> My periods are messed. up. So, no doubt I need some help balancing

sex hormones.

>

> I started Armour in May, but I'm having chest tightness/discomfort

and an elevated pulse.

> The DO I'm seeing wants me to start over at 1/2 grain and take it

very, very slow.

>

> He wants to check my adrenals again too. The plan is once my

thyroid is optimized, we can

> adjust the sex hormones.

>

> I haven't done any rounds for myself or the kids since...April? I

have not felt up to it at all.

>

> in Illinois

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> >

> > http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/

> > FYI, this protocol uses sustained release T3, not Armour, although

> > one could certainly use Armour after getting whatever benefit they

> > can from trying s protocol.

> > --

>

> Hi ,

> Since altering me to this condition I have been monitoring my temps

and am

> astounded to find they average 96.8 (36 degrees centigrade). With low

> temperatures many enzymes do not work anymore (just like with

mercury). I'm

> looking into sorting my low temps out with the sustained release T3.

> Tell me, what does someone do that is low temperature, but is already on

> Armour?

> She is one 3 grains, and increasing by 1/4 each week. Still no

resolution of

> her symptoms and low temps.

> Can she take sustained release T3 on top of Armour to correct this?

> Thanks,

> Dean

A person is supposed to wean off T4 before starting T3.

Chapter 12 of the doctor's manual explains how this is handled.

http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/eManual/Chapters/12Hypothyroid.cfm

--

[Guest guest]

>

> So sorry to hear you are feeling poorly, .

I think I'll feel a lot better if this Armour pans out for me, and my chest

stops aching, and

my emotions settle down.

>

> It does sound like too high a dose - or perhaps you need some

> T3 in addition to Armour?? I don't know enough.

>

> Not sure why you need to optimize Armour before addressing

> female hormones?

It's my idea. One thing at a time.

>Does your doctor seem knowledgeable about

> hormone treatment? Even if he is, mercury-toxic people are

> not like everyone else.

He's the best I can do right now, IYKWIM.

>

> I hope you get to feeling better and more balanced soon.

>

> Take good care,

> --

Thanks.

in Illinois