Re: I got my packet from kaiser!

[Guest guest]

I've had Taco Bell since surgery. A crunch wrap supreme without the

sour cream (I add my own fat free at home). It's about 520 calories

which is quite a lot but then that's my whole meal. I get it with

extra lettuce and extra tomatoes too. I've done this maybe three

times. I have no great urges to do it regularly. There's a taco bell

about a mile away from my house so I would walk it with the kids if

we did go.

Most of my fast food has been 's chili. There's a Mc's

about 750' from my house. I don't go there. Nasty all the way around.

Mike in GR (fast food capitol baby)

>

> Oh dont remind me.......I was single handedly keeping my local taco

bell

> afloat!!! LOL..........They must have closed up by now since I had

surgery!

>

> Mike T

>

> Re: I got my packet from kaiser!

>

>

> > Mike,

> > I'm thinking about gaining weight to better qualify

myself

> > LOL

> >

> > I love whoppers but Taco bell is my fav

> >

> >

> > -Dawnyel

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

hi sweetie. had to respond even though i haven't had my surgery yet.

i think the best thing is to talk to your doctor or a bypass surgeon

first to get the straight facts. i was told that tylenol comes in a

liquid that's fine to take-not just the childrens, but one for

adults too. also my doctors and nutritionist told me that most foods

are okay, except sugar-that i might just want to keep away from that

because of the dumping, which some people don't have but not to

tempt it so i don't go back to old eating habbits. that's the key

hear, to learn how to completly change your lifestyle of

eating....as long as you chew, chew, chew, you should be fine. as

for IBS i have that too and that was one of the contributing factors

of me wanting the surgery. i'm not 100% sure about others but i'm

getting the full on bypass and was told over and over by the

surgeons themselves that the procedure acctually improves it! look

it up and check it out for the RYDGB and let me know i'd be

interested. as for some people who never get out of the obese range,

well you have to look at the person, how they're built, how much

they started with....etc. most don't do it to be super thin and go

from one extreme to another, most do it to get healthier and reach a

normal weight size (for them). you sound more like me in body type.

i'm 5' even and am about 240-250. for my height and weight i'm obese

and have been strugelling with it for the past ten years soildly and

on and off for all my life. it's a battel i don't want to fight or

loose anymore. all of my doctors have been very supportive and tell

me they commend me for doing it now that i'm a bit younger and

nipping it in the bud before it got even more out of control. if you

work closely with your nutrtionist and doctors they'll make sure to

take care of your well being and work on doing things just right to

help to get the surgery if you truly want to make that change in

your life. it is a change and comitment. you have to be prepared

mentaly before you ever set foot in the operating room. that's why

some people go back to old eating habbits. there's no quick fix even

though some people look at these surgerys as just that. they take

hard work and detication, the surgeries are tools to help us lead

healthier lives. i wish you the best in your decitions and finding

the info you need, but the best advice i can give is go to one of

those confrences. they're there to answer questions you may have.

good luck and god speed.

wow! sorry so long lol.

>

>

> Hi,

> I got a packet of papers from Kaiser today, I am

not sure if

> I qualify though, it says BMI of 40+ and 2 major health probs or

BMI of 50.

> I weigh 255, and if I was 230 I wouldn't qualify. They want you

to loose 10%

> of your body weight, and if I do that I won't qualify. Pre

diabetes and

> hypertension weren't on the list, but SEVERE HYPERTENSION was.

Poly cystic ovarian

> syndrome was on the list, along with joint degeneration. I do

have a joint

> disease, but not degeneration, I have chronic joint pain..

>

> Another question is....... it says absolutley NO crunchy

> snacks,sugar,caffeine,motrin,tylenol,citrus fruits and carbonation

for THE REST OF YOUR

> LIFE.... is that true? if so I can't have this surgery because of

my chronic joint

> pain, what happens if you get the cramps????

>

> Kaiser's plan is called OPTIONS. You have to go through 24 weeks

of group

> classes, and go on a diet, with aerobic excersise 4 times a week,

and I think I

> should start gaining weight so I can loose 10% and not disqualify.

This isn't

> sounding too good now though, about the food thing.. seems like

you have to

> give up EVERYTHING . My paper says that 15% don't loose any

weight, and over

> 1/2 of all people never attain a non obese weight. Also, the only

procedure

> they do is the RYDGB. It says there is a higher risk of bowel

obstruction. I

> have IBS and that's the LAST thing I want.

>

> please help I need answers!

>

> Dawnyel

>

> 295/255/150

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can't help you w/ the first part w/ bmi & all that. I didn't have to

go thru that because I didn't use insurance. I was self-pay.

As for the other. I have a crunchy snack on occassion. You can't avoid

sugar; but you can limit it. Use sugar substitutes. I take tylenol on

occasion. I was told to take capsules. I've not had any problems. You

can also get liquid tylenol. They don't recommend motrin. Ibuprofen

irritates your stomach pouch. I don't see where citrus fruits would be

a problem unless they irritate your pouch. I wasn't told to stay away

from them. But each surgeon is different and recommends different

things. As for carbonated beverages. Carbonation leaches calcium from

your bones. Something wls patients don't need. It can also irritate

your pouch. But, I see & hear of wls patients drinking soda all the

time. I choose not to. My body needs the water instead.

There are risks of complications w/ any sort of wls. You just have to

weigh the risks of having it vs not having it. Talk to someone at the

surgeon's office about your concerns. You need specific answers from

them since that's who you are dealing with.

W

380/285/160

BabyDust419@... wrote:

> Hi,

> I got a packet of papers from Kaiser today, I am not sure if

> I qualify though, it says BMI of 40+ and 2 major health probs or BMI of 50.

> I weigh 255, and if I was 230 I wouldn't qualify. They want you to loose 10%

> of your body weight, and if I do that I won't qualify. Pre diabetes and

> hypertension weren't on the list, but SEVERE HYPERTENSION was. Poly cystic

ovarian

> syndrome was on the list, along with joint degeneration. I do have a joint

> disease, but not degeneration, I have chronic joint pain..

>

> Another question is....... it says absolutley NO crunchy

> snacks,sugar,caffeine,motrin,tylenol,citrus fruits and carbonation for THE

REST OF YOUR

> LIFE.... is that true? if so I can't have this surgery because of my chronic

joint

> pain, what happens if you get the cramps????

>

> Kaiser's plan is called OPTIONS. You have to go through 24 weeks of group

> classes, and go on a diet, with aerobic excersise 4 times a week, and I think

I

> should start gaining weight so I can loose 10% and not disqualify. This isn't

> sounding too good now though, about the food thing.. seems like you have to

> give up EVERYTHING . My paper says that 15% don't loose any weight, and over

> 1/2 of all people never attain a non obese weight. Also, the only procedure

> they do is the RYDGB. It says there is a higher risk of bowel obstruction. I

> have IBS and that's the LAST thing I want.

>

> please help I need answers!

>

> Dawnyel

>

> 295/255/150

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think there are a couple schools of thought on the tylenol thing. My DR

said that Tylenol was the ONLY thing I could take, no ibuprofen, no celebrex,

which was my mainstay for my back, no NSAID (Non steriodal anti inflammatory)

of any kind, including naprosyn, and no aspirin, but tylenol was okay, and

most drugs that don;t have any of the others, or are really hard on the

stomach.

Since we have so much less now, there is so much more to irritate. I have

made some big adjustments, but honestly, I guess the group sessions and the

indoctrination from the dr and his staff have worked, because I only miss it

when it is right in front of my face, and that is only momentarily. It is

amazing what the surgery, and the road to it do for you. It does truly help you

to

change your whole way of thinking. I am even able to cook for my family, even

when I can't eat it yet, being only 5 weeks out.but, I am up to 30 pounds,

and that is a mighty powerful incentive. All I can say is, it is both the

easiest and the hardest thing I have ever done in my life. Even with just 30

pounds, I can already see a difference. No BP meds, my back hurts less already,

still a bit tired if I do too much.. but even that is a nice feeling, because

I am DOING, instead of just watching, I Did have have the gas pains the

first few days... but not too much more pain than that. It was great, just felt

like I did too many sit ups for about 2 weeks. I can't say enough good about

my choice. I hope this helps and I wish you all the best.

[Guest guest]

Also, they say stay away from citrus because the membranes that sorounds the

individual slice can ball up in your stomach and cause what is called

bezoars, which have to be surgically removed, but, if you take just the fruit

part

out of those membranes, actually pull that whit stuff off until you get just

to those little pouches of juice, you're

fine usually, but watch the grapefruit, it interferes with the absorption

on some meds.

Donna in VA