Re: Anyone heard of this adaptogen product

[Guest guest]

Not heard of it but form looking at the ingredients, I would say only if

it causes excess stimulation as Ginseng sometimes can. Simply pay

attention to your symptoms when you start it and only change one thign

at a time so you knwo what symptoms coem from what.

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Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

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[Guest guest]

That actually looks pretty good to me. However, you are taking a lot of

different things right now. Do you think your GI can handle it?

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

My new Top Doc has me on two caps in AM and said that I might need more.

http://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com/adaptogen-p-weight-loss-dietary-

supplements.html

I think that someone else just mentioned this one, or one like it, the

other day, but there are so many that I wanted to be sure that there is

nothing in here that is likely to set me back.

.

[Guest guest]

Hi

I clicked the link but it brings me nowhere..can you post again

please? Thanks,

Sara

>

> That actually looks pretty good to me. However, you are taking a

lot of

> different things right now. Do you think your GI can handle it?

> Cheri

> -----Original Message-----

>

>

> My new Top Doc has me on two caps in AM and said that I might

need more.

>

> http://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com/adaptogen-p-weight-loss-

dietary-

> supplements.html

>

> I think that someone else just mentioned this one, or one like

it, the

> other day, but there are so many that I wanted to be sure that

there is

> nothing in here that is likely to set me back.

>

>

>

>

> .

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, discouraged is a pretty good word for it. I think that you did

mention that book and I need to get it now that I'm done with

Peatfield's book. I temporarily discontinued all of my vits and the

adaptogen for today to see if the GI improves. Of course, I increased

Armour last night so that's likely to complicate matters further as it

usually does fire up the GI some for a few days, but that's the end

game for me and it's time so I plowed ahead. I think that I'll stick

to Armour, HC, and sea salt since it doesn't upset my GI. Aloe vera

juice seems to help so I'll continue with that too. And then I guess

I'll try to add back in the other stuff one at a time to see if I can

take it. I'm assuming that I should keep on with the probiotics and

disgestive enzymes since they're supportive. Even without the vits

today my GI is still pretty fired up now during the day so it will

probably be worse tnite.

>

> .... I have found that those of us with sensitive guts have to

> start in really slowly with one thing at a time in quarter doses.

> It's a pain, but it's the only way we can know what is doing what.

> When a doc tells us to take 2 in the morning and two at night, it mean

> we take 1 a day for a week. And if they say take 3 different things

> we never start them all at once. It's the nature of severe gut

> sensitivity. Have you read Micro Miracles? Or did I mention this

> book already? The author goes into detail about how bombarding the

> gut with new things and undigested material can cause autoimmune

> reactions.

> Anyway, you are working so hard at this that I have to chime in

> because I had to learn all sorts of things about the gut before I

> could proceed with any type of supplement protocol without pure

> discouragement ragging me out.

>

> -AG

[Guest guest]

Yeah, discouraged is a pretty good word for it. I think that you did

mention that book and I need to get it now that I'm done with

Peatfield's book. I temporarily discontinued all of my vits and the

adaptogen for today to see if the GI improves. Of course, I increased

Armour last night so that's likely to complicate matters further as it

usually does fire up the GI some for a few days, but that's the end

game for me and it's time so I plowed ahead. I think that I'll stick

to Armour, HC, and sea salt since it doesn't upset my GI. Aloe vera

juice seems to help so I'll continue with that too. And then I guess

I'll try to add back in the other stuff one at a time to see if I can

take it. I'm assuming that I should keep on with the probiotics and

disgestive enzymes since they're supportive. Even without the vits

today my GI is still pretty fired up now during the day so it will

probably be worse tnite.

>

> .... I have found that those of us with sensitive guts have to

> start in really slowly with one thing at a time in quarter doses.

> It's a pain, but it's the only way we can know what is doing what.

> When a doc tells us to take 2 in the morning and two at night, it mean

> we take 1 a day for a week. And if they say take 3 different things

> we never start them all at once. It's the nature of severe gut

> sensitivity. Have you read Micro Miracles? Or did I mention this

> book already? The author goes into detail about how bombarding the

> gut with new things and undigested material can cause autoimmune

> reactions.

> Anyway, you are working so hard at this that I have to chime in

> because I had to learn all sorts of things about the gut before I

> could proceed with any type of supplement protocol without pure

> discouragement ragging me out.

>

> -AG

[Guest guest]

I couldn't access the link. I mentioned one the other day that I've

just started. It's called Quantam Adaptogen Complex. It has soma latha,

rhaponticum, rhodiola, Fo Ti Tieng Root, Nopal Cactus and bunch of

other things.

Having sort of a tough time now but I started too many things at

once..Armour, this supplement plus a few more. I'm going to stick w/ it

all though for a while and keep my fingers crossed.

Good luck!!

[Guest guest]

I think that that is the same one that I started two days ago and I've

been having increased GI symptoms and more trouble sleeping than

usual, but I don't know if it was this adaptogen or not. Atlanta Girl

says that this product is made by a known good source so our docs

aren't smoking something by putting us on it, but it might be a little

much for a tender GI. Or it has nothing to do with it and it's

something else we're on. Who knows. Part of what's so frustrating

about this whole thing. How exactly are you feeling again since you

started on the complex, how much are you taking, and how long?

>

> I couldn't access the link. I mentioned one the other day that I've

> just started. It's called Quantam Adaptogen Complex. It has soma latha,

> rhaponticum, rhodiola, Fo Ti Tieng Root, Nopal Cactus and bunch of

> other things.

>

> Having sort of a tough time now but I started too many things at

> once..Armour, this supplement plus a few more. I'm going to stick w/ it

> all though for a while and keep my fingers crossed.

>

> Good luck!!

>

[Guest guest]

.... time to read the book, Optimal Digestive Health. This book

got me on the right track. For years I couldn't deal with even easy

food to digest. From one day to the next, same food, different

outcome. Got totally stressed out and fed up with it. After

following a number of the suggestions in this book things started to

come around. But it was hard work. One of my friends consulted and

worked with one of the primary contributors to the book. The book is

an anthology of sorts. It takes a cross section from some of the best

practitioners in the field of gastric heath. My friend also had a

hair trigger gut. She excelled with Jerry's protocol. And I've done

great too.

http://www.amazon.com/Optimal-Digestive-Health-Complete-Guide/dp/1594770360/ref=\

pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1201221888 & sr=1-1

I just want you to know that sometimes probiotics can incite issues or

keep them going when there is active dysbiosis. Going to all Bifidus

is sometimes the place to go to when this occurs. I could have

written your post!

The other thing that is excellent for what you describe is systemic,

between meals, enzymes. In fact when you feel the bloating, you

instantly start them. I use Wobenzyme. Take 15-20. You don't want

to keep feeding the problem with undigested food. Also, I had to go

off grains. The maltose caused lots of issues. Presumable the sugar

fed bad bacteria. I eat no grains now, except some occasional corn.

The anti-aging med doc I see in TX has encouraged me toward Paleo

eating. Meat, veggies, some fruits, nuts. NO grains, minimal dairy,

no beans. What a difference now after each meal. Whoa!

-AG

will ck on xym!!!

> I'm on my second brand of good probiotics - started with Enzymedica's

> and now on GOL Ultra - 30 billion/day. I'm still taking the Digest

> Gold - 2-3 caps with meals and 1-2 with snacks. I know that you take

> more but I frankly can't tell very well whether they help me or not

> based on how I feel. Same goes with the probiotics. I was having a

> better GI day today until about 45 minutes after a very simple lunch

> of quinoa (soaked overnight and strained this time) and some roasted

> chicken. With it I took 500mg of bromelain, one cap of HCL, and 2

> caps of Digest Gold. The rumbling started after 45 minutes or so and

> is continuing although now it feels like hunger too which is usually

> how it happens. So, I'll eat some more and the cycle will probably

> continue like that for the rest of the day until I go to bed with a

> bloated stomach and gas. I had none of this after a breakfast of 2

> egg whites, 3 pieces of bacon, a few bites of hash browns and a cup of

> decaf, with the same digestive aids. I'm tempted to blame the quinoa

> because I had a hard time with last time I made it, but I've had it

> once this time after soaking it and had no trouble. I just don't know

> how to do this.

>

> BTW, I heard somewhere that the xymogen stuff was going prescription

> only.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'll check out that book after I read the other one that I just

ordered yesterday. My experience right now does seem similar to how

you were. Did you really mean that you take 15-20 caps of Wobenzyme in

between meals? Is that along with the 4 caps of enzymes with meals

and 4-6 caps of HCL with meals that you take? Is there any room in

your stomach for anything else after all of those veggie caps .

I just want you to know that sometimes probiotics can incite issues or

> keep them going when there is active dysbiosis. Going to all Bifidus

> is sometimes the place to go to when this occurs. I could have

> written your post!

>

> The other thing that is excellent for what you describe is systemic,

> between meals, enzymes. In fact when you feel the bloating, you

> instantly start them. I use Wobenzyme. Take 15-20. You don't want

> to keep feeding the problem with undigested food. Also, I had to go

> off grains. The maltose caused lots of issues. Presumable the sugar

> fed bad bacteria. I eat no grains now, except some occasional corn.

> The anti-aging med doc I see in TX has encouraged me toward Paleo

> eating. Meat, veggies, some fruits, nuts. NO grains, minimal dairy,

> no beans. What a difference now after each meal. Whoa!

>

> -AG

> will ck on xym!!!