Re: lithium orotate? anyone on it?

[Guest guest]

We use it. My level was not detectable at all on my hair test. And

yes it would help with depression and mood swings. It comes in 5mg

capsules usually. You can try taking one a day to see how it goes. I

found that I only needed one cap two to three times a week. And as I

got along in treatment, I only need one periodically now, when I am

having what I call " mercury depression " . The bad thoughts and

negative morbid thinking...pop one of those down and within a few

hours I feel better again. I also use it for my 12 year old on the

same dosing. She also had no detectable hair lithium and we have the

same symptoms as you describe. It's worth a try. And it's

supplemental lithium nothing like the prescription stuff we all hear

horror stories about. Normally, people ingest lithium in drinking

water, some parts of the country do not have very much in the water,

and add to that a mercury problem...and bam! You have a mood problem.

>

> Has anyone tried lithium orotate for depression if so what

dosage is

> a safe starting dose.

[Guest guest]

We use it. My level was not detectable at all on my hair test. And

yes it would help with depression and mood swings. It comes in 5mg

capsules usually. You can try taking one a day to see how it goes. I

found that I only needed one cap two to three times a week. And as I

got along in treatment, I only need one periodically now, when I am

having what I call " mercury depression " . The bad thoughts and

negative morbid thinking...pop one of those down and within a few

hours I feel better again. I also use it for my 12 year old on the

same dosing. She also had no detectable hair lithium and we have the

same symptoms as you describe. It's worth a try. And it's

supplemental lithium nothing like the prescription stuff we all hear

horror stories about. Normally, people ingest lithium in drinking

water, some parts of the country do not have very much in the water,

and add to that a mercury problem...and bam! You have a mood problem.

>

> Has anyone tried lithium orotate for depression if so what

dosage is

> a safe starting dose.

[Guest guest]

We use it. My level was not detectable at all on my hair test. And

yes it would help with depression and mood swings. It comes in 5mg

capsules usually. You can try taking one a day to see how it goes. I

found that I only needed one cap two to three times a week. And as I

got along in treatment, I only need one periodically now, when I am

having what I call " mercury depression " . The bad thoughts and

negative morbid thinking...pop one of those down and within a few

hours I feel better again. I also use it for my 12 year old on the

same dosing. She also had no detectable hair lithium and we have the

same symptoms as you describe. It's worth a try. And it's

supplemental lithium nothing like the prescription stuff we all hear

horror stories about. Normally, people ingest lithium in drinking

water, some parts of the country do not have very much in the water,

and add to that a mercury problem...and bam! You have a mood problem.

>

> Has anyone tried lithium orotate for depression if so what

dosage is

> a safe starting dose.

[Guest guest]

>

> Has anyone tried lithium orotate for depression if so what dosage

is

> a safe starting dose. My lithium level is <0.004. I am on thyroid 1

> grain )divided into 2 doses, seems to work better), Dhea 20 mg into 2

> doses and hydrocortisome 5 mg a day. Sev of Andy supplements. My alt

> doc didnt seem to pay attn to the lithium level at all, but I am

> wondering if it could make a diff with my emotions, feel low and mild

> anxiety.

DA: Please please please be careful with lithium orotate. I am

successfully using it along with Lamictal for bi-polar II. My doctor

does think there is a connection between toxic metal poisoning, esp

with it being in the brain and thus, messing with the brain chemistry,

but he's real loath to say that to anyone but me, and there's no real

research on the connection [no $ in it, sad to say...]

I started on 2 a day, and within about 5 days, started noticing a

vastly improved outlook on my life, but it didnt help the episodes I

now know were the " crashes " my bi-polar does with me. Trust me,

according to your body's ability to use the lithium, it doesnt work any

faster; feeling better quickly would be more a placebo effect.

I also found out my hormone levels were totally screwed up; from using

progesterone cream almost every day for several years; research now

[accordeing to my naturopath allergist [NAET]]that the hormone seeps

out slowly from the fatty tissues and thus you get a big build-up.

AFter a yukky fruit and veggie only diet, I feel soooooo much better

overall. Get a salivia hormone panel; out of whack hormones many times

can make you depressed, and can exacerbate manic-depression too.

I am not chelating at this time; trying to get this other stuff

mellowed out. HOpe to start back up soon, but am doing sooo well right

now.

I DO feel stronger; my muscle tone and aerobic capacity is better than

it has been in years [i'm losing weight walking too! Feels SO

wonderful to finally have your body respond to your efforts!]

.... AND I've started getting bitten by mosquitoes again! I havent been

bitten by the little buggers in decades! lol

Again, please work with a naturopath or get yourself to a psychiatrist

and describe your symptoms and history. Llithium is a mood stabilizer,

and does help people with mild depression, but can make mania symptoms

more pronounced when used by itself.

But be careful about " regular " anti-depressants; if you are bi-polar,

those can make you much worse. Regular drs' love to prescribe anti-

dep's; not a good thing many times.

AND do try to get a good night's sleep. B6, along with GABA, helped me

greatly with sleep, which in turn, helps you cope better and helps your

mood overall, as well as your adrenals....

Hey, it took me a year of weekly chelation treatments to get to where I

am; thank goodness I started all this.

Good luck. / DA

[Guest guest]

>

> Has anyone tried lithium orotate for depression if so what dosage is

> a safe starting dose. My lithium level is <0.004. I am on thyroid 1

> grain )divided into 2 doses, seems to work better), Dhea 20 mg into 2

> doses and hydrocortisome 5 mg a day. Sev of Andy supplements. My alt

> doc didnt seem to pay attn to the lithium level at all, but I am

> wondering if it could make a diff with my emotions, feel low and mild

> anxiety. I am not chelating yet due to metal posts in my mouth.

> Anyway if theres anyone out there that can share their experiece with

> lithium and the dosage. Thanks

>

I have used it for both depression and anxiety.

I would start with 5 mg.

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[Guest guest]

>

> Has anyone tried lithium orotate for depression if so what dosage is

> a safe starting dose. My lithium level is <0.004. I am on thyroid 1

> grain )divided into 2 doses, seems to work better), Dhea 20 mg into 2

> doses and hydrocortisome 5 mg a day. Sev of Andy supplements. My alt

> doc didnt seem to pay attn to the lithium level at all, but I am

> wondering if it could make a diff with my emotions, feel low and mild

> anxiety. I am not chelating yet due to metal posts in my mouth.

> Anyway if theres anyone out there that can share their experiece with

> lithium and the dosage. Thanks

>

I have used it for both depression and anxiety.

I would start with 5 mg.

--

[Guest guest]

I am not bipolar just having a hard time with bouts of depression. I

have metal problems esp arsenic. I am wondering if you have to be

careful with lithium orotate if manic or all types of depression? So

you think 5mg every other day is a good way to try if it does

anything? Thanks for your input.

> >

> > Has anyone tried lithium orotate for depression if so what

dosage

> is

> > a safe starting dose. My lithium level is <0.004. I am on

thyroid 1

> > grain )divided into 2 doses, seems to work better), Dhea 20 mg

into 2

> > doses and hydrocortisome 5 mg a day. Sev of Andy supplements. My

alt

> > doc didnt seem to pay attn to the lithium level at all, but I am

> > wondering if it could make a diff with my emotions, feel low and

mild

> > anxiety.

>

> DA: Please please please be careful with lithium orotate. I am

> successfully using it along with Lamictal for bi-polar II. My

doctor

> does think there is a connection between toxic metal poisoning, esp

> with it being in the brain and thus, messing with the brain

chemistry,

> but he's real loath to say that to anyone but me, and there's no

real

> research on the connection [no $ in it, sad to say...]

>

> I started on 2 a day, and within about 5 days, started noticing a

> vastly improved outlook on my life, but it didnt help the episodes

I

> now know were the " crashes " my bi-polar does with me. Trust me,

> according to your body's ability to use the lithium, it doesnt work

any

> faster; feeling better quickly would be more a placebo effect.

>

> I also found out my hormone levels were totally screwed up; from

using

> progesterone cream almost every day for several years; research now

> [accordeing to my naturopath allergist [NAET]]that the hormone

seeps

> out slowly from the fatty tissues and thus you get a big build-up.

> AFter a yukky fruit and veggie only diet, I feel soooooo much

better

> overall. Get a salivia hormone panel; out of whack hormones many

times

> can make you depressed, and can exacerbate manic-depression too.

>

> I am not chelating at this time; trying to get this other stuff

> mellowed out. HOpe to start back up soon, but am doing sooo well

right

> now.

>

> I DO feel stronger; my muscle tone and aerobic capacity is better

than

> it has been in years [i'm losing weight walking too! Feels SO

> wonderful to finally have your body respond to your efforts!]

>

> ... AND I've started getting bitten by mosquitoes again! I havent

been

> bitten by the little buggers in decades! lol

>

> Again, please work with a naturopath or get yourself to a

psychiatrist

> and describe your symptoms and history. Llithium is a mood

stabilizer,

> and does help people with mild depression, but can make mania

symptoms

> more pronounced when used by itself.

>

> But be careful about " regular " anti-depressants; if you are bi-

polar,

> those can make you much worse. Regular drs' love to prescribe anti-

> dep's; not a good thing many times.

>

> AND do try to get a good night's sleep. B6, along with GABA,

helped me

> greatly with sleep, which in turn, helps you cope better and helps

your

> mood overall, as well as your adrenals....

>

> Hey, it took me a year of weekly chelation treatments to get to

where I

> am; thank goodness I started all this.

> Good luck. / DA

>

[Guest guest]

I am not bipolar just having a hard time with bouts of depression. I

have metal problems esp arsenic. I am wondering if you have to be

careful with lithium orotate if manic or all types of depression? So

you think 5mg every other day is a good way to try if it does

anything? Thanks for your input.

> >

> > Has anyone tried lithium orotate for depression if so what

dosage

> is

> > a safe starting dose. My lithium level is <0.004. I am on

thyroid 1

> > grain )divided into 2 doses, seems to work better), Dhea 20 mg

into 2

> > doses and hydrocortisome 5 mg a day. Sev of Andy supplements. My

alt

> > doc didnt seem to pay attn to the lithium level at all, but I am

> > wondering if it could make a diff with my emotions, feel low and

mild

> > anxiety.

>

> DA: Please please please be careful with lithium orotate. I am

> successfully using it along with Lamictal for bi-polar II. My

doctor

> does think there is a connection between toxic metal poisoning, esp

> with it being in the brain and thus, messing with the brain

chemistry,

> but he's real loath to say that to anyone but me, and there's no

real

> research on the connection [no $ in it, sad to say...]

>

> I started on 2 a day, and within about 5 days, started noticing a

> vastly improved outlook on my life, but it didnt help the episodes

I

> now know were the " crashes " my bi-polar does with me. Trust me,

> according to your body's ability to use the lithium, it doesnt work

any

> faster; feeling better quickly would be more a placebo effect.

>

> I also found out my hormone levels were totally screwed up; from

using

> progesterone cream almost every day for several years; research now

> [accordeing to my naturopath allergist [NAET]]that the hormone

seeps

> out slowly from the fatty tissues and thus you get a big build-up.

> AFter a yukky fruit and veggie only diet, I feel soooooo much

better

> overall. Get a salivia hormone panel; out of whack hormones many

times

> can make you depressed, and can exacerbate manic-depression too.

>

> I am not chelating at this time; trying to get this other stuff

> mellowed out. HOpe to start back up soon, but am doing sooo well

right

> now.

>

> I DO feel stronger; my muscle tone and aerobic capacity is better

than

> it has been in years [i'm losing weight walking too! Feels SO

> wonderful to finally have your body respond to your efforts!]

>

> ... AND I've started getting bitten by mosquitoes again! I havent

been

> bitten by the little buggers in decades! lol

>

> Again, please work with a naturopath or get yourself to a

psychiatrist

> and describe your symptoms and history. Llithium is a mood

stabilizer,

> and does help people with mild depression, but can make mania

symptoms

> more pronounced when used by itself.

>

> But be careful about " regular " anti-depressants; if you are bi-

polar,

> those can make you much worse. Regular drs' love to prescribe anti-

> dep's; not a good thing many times.

>

> AND do try to get a good night's sleep. B6, along with GABA,

helped me

> greatly with sleep, which in turn, helps you cope better and helps

your

> mood overall, as well as your adrenals....

>

> Hey, it took me a year of weekly chelation treatments to get to

where I

> am; thank goodness I started all this.

> Good luck. / DA

>

[Guest guest]

If you have undetectable hair lithium, this is a good sign it will

benefit you and you are safe taking it. 5 mg is really a very

safe, supplemental amount and is not even a therapeutic dosage

for lithium orotate. A google search will turn up plenty of

information on lithium orotate.

--

>

> I am not bipolar just having a hard time with bouts of depression. I

> have metal problems esp arsenic. I am wondering if you have to be

> careful with lithium orotate if manic or all types of depression? So

> you think 5mg every other day is a good way to try if it does

> anything? Thanks for your input.

[Guest guest]

If you have undetectable hair lithium, this is a good sign it will

benefit you and you are safe taking it. 5 mg is really a very

safe, supplemental amount and is not even a therapeutic dosage

for lithium orotate. A google search will turn up plenty of

information on lithium orotate.

--

>

> I am not bipolar just having a hard time with bouts of depression. I

> have metal problems esp arsenic. I am wondering if you have to be

> careful with lithium orotate if manic or all types of depression? So

> you think 5mg every other day is a good way to try if it does

> anything? Thanks for your input.

[Guest guest]

If you have undetectable hair lithium, this is a good sign it will

benefit you and you are safe taking it. 5 mg is really a very

safe, supplemental amount and is not even a therapeutic dosage

for lithium orotate. A google search will turn up plenty of

information on lithium orotate.

--

>

> I am not bipolar just having a hard time with bouts of depression. I

> have metal problems esp arsenic. I am wondering if you have to be

> careful with lithium orotate if manic or all types of depression? So

> you think 5mg every other day is a good way to try if it does

> anything? Thanks for your input.

[Guest guest]

>

> I am not bipolar just having a hard time with bouts of depression. I

> have metal problems esp arsenic. I am wondering if you have to be

> careful with lithium orotate if manic or all types of depression? So

> you think 5mg every other day is a good way to try if it does

> anything? Thanks for your input.

DA: Hey didnt say you were BP, Bud; you asked for advice, and this

forum costs you nothing....

ok, dont take my word for this... why dont you just " google " lithium

orotate yourself and read up on all the med journals and determine this

for yourself.... there's lots of good info - use discernment when they

are also selling supps; but you should be intelligent enought to pick

out the legit info..

Also look into Arsenic Poisoning and the supplements to help with that

in those Balch manuals - Prescriptions for Natural Healing " i think is

the name.. pls dont write back and ask us where to get it; go on

amazon. com or other bookseller... good luck / DA

[Guest guest]

I dont take an issue against being bipolar or not, Heavy metal

poisoned people have all types of issues and some of those issues

have names. I think if you reread the post youll see that I was not

insulted if you assumed I was bipolar, I just happen to be simply at

times depressed. What I did wonder if this supplement was more

sensitive for those with all types of depression. BUT Ill try it and

see. I am bouncing ideas here not discrediting your input, thats

all. THanks for your input.

> >

> > I am not bipolar just having a hard time with bouts of

depression. I

> > have metal problems esp arsenic. I am wondering if you have to

be

> > careful with lithium orotate if manic or all types of

depression? So

> > you think 5mg every other day is a good way to try if it does

> > anything? Thanks for your input.

>

> DA: Hey didnt say you were BP, Bud; you asked for advice, and this

> forum costs you nothing....

> ok, dont take my word for this... why dont you just " google "

lithium

> orotate yourself and read up on all the med journals and determine

this

> for yourself.... there's lots of good info - use discernment when

they

> are also selling supps; but you should be intelligent enought to

pick

> out the legit info..

>

> Also look into Arsenic Poisoning and the supplements to help with

that

> in those Balch manuals - Prescriptions for Natural Healing " i think

is

> the name.. pls dont write back and ask us where to get it; go on

> amazon. com or other bookseller... good luck / DA

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Again, please work with a naturopath or get yourself to a psychiatrist

> and describe your symptoms and history. Llithium is a mood stabilizer,

> and does help people with mild depression, but can make mania symptoms

> more pronounced when used by itself.

With bipolar, I think you need to be judicious about a number

of supplements. They can have different effects in different

people (and maybe different at different times, I am not sure).

Lithium (either lithium carbonate or lithium orotate) can help

to prevent mania and may help to address it if it is mild (more

severe mania requires drug treatment). But people are different

and some may respond badly (just as people respond differently

to any other supplements or Rx drugs).

Other supplements that you should investigate before taking

them (if you have depression, mania, or manic-depression) are

choline and inositol, probably gaba and others. You may be able

to get some idea of how these will affect you by reading about

them (just as with Rx drugs).

I'm no expert, but those suggestions seem reasonable from my

reading. Hormone support is also important.

This book has information and advice about various emotional

difficulties, supplements to take, etc:

http://www.noamalgam.com/naturalhealing.html

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[Guest guest]

> > Again, please work with a naturopath or get yourself to a psychiatrist

> > and describe your symptoms and history. Llithium is a mood stabilizer,

> > and does help people with mild depression, but can make mania symptoms

> > more pronounced when used by itself.

Actually I've always heard that lithium is depressive and bipolars go off it

because they

start to get manic when it is discontinued and that feels good.

Anyone with frankly diagnosable mental illness like bipolar disorder,

personality disorder

or schizophrenia absolutely needs to use medications - thoughtfully and

judiciously - in

addition to supplements and diet in order to be in adequate control to stick

with a

chelation program and get better.

I realize many psychiatrists and other doctors are not thoughtful and judiciious

in their

prescribing practices, but you can find such doc's, and if you work with them

you'll have

the stability it takes to get better. If not, you won't.

Andy