Re: stephanie, please help & Bismuth & Mercury

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> You may have both bismuth and mercury toxicity.

My dentist had me do a Biotics detox protocol a few months after my

fillings came out. His office clearly didn't know a lot about detox

and they were trying, but had recently been 'sold' on the concept by

the company. I don't recall why bismuth was included in their

supplements, but I know I couldn't clear it because a DMPS challenge

test a few weeks later showed a bismuth level that was off the

charts. The copper & lithium from those supplements had built up

similarly. My DO was more concerned about these things than she was

mercury...it was my first appointment with her, 5 months post

amalgam removal, and my metal levels had come way down from the sky

high mercury level one year prior. Is it possible these elements

absorbed the DMPS challenge injection more readily and altered the

test results?

Since then, I've always wondered if I appear to my DO as more of a

hypochondriac/supplement freak than mercury toxic. We moved between

my diagnosis and amalgam removal, so I lost the benefit of having

continuity of medical care.

These metals/elements did not show up as elevated in a later hair

test, and my lithium is bottomed out in hair tests. But the

question of bismuth is interesting because I was actually sicker 6

months after amalgam removal than prior to it and subsequent

improvement has been slow.

Joanne

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> > You may have both bismuth and mercury toxicity.

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> My dentist had me do a Biotics detox protocol a few months after my

> fillings came out. His office clearly didn't know a lot about detox

> and they were trying, but had recently been 'sold' on the concept by

> the company. I don't recall why bismuth was included in their

You mean they gave you stuff for detox that contained bismuth?

How bizarre. Do you know the name of the product?

> supplements, but I know I couldn't clear it because a DMPS challenge

> test a few weeks later showed a bismuth level that was off the

Well, the DMPS challenge cleared a little of it...and put more

of it in places where it would do more damage. I think you know to

avoid DMPS challenges now, but just a reminder.

Low, frequent dosing with DMPS or DMSA will take care of the

bismuth.

> charts. The copper & lithium from those supplements had built up

> similarly. My DO was more concerned about these things than she was

> mercury...it was my first appointment with her, 5 months post

> amalgam removal, and my metal levels had come way down from the sky

> high mercury level one year prior. Is it possible these elements

> absorbed the DMPS challenge injection more readily and altered the

> test results?

The results of DMPS challenge tests are meaningless. I think they

will pull things somewhat randomly. I would focus on going forward

with Andy's protocol and leave the challenge tests and their results

in the past.

> Since then, I've always wondered if I appear to my DO as more of a

> hypochondriac/supplement freak than mercury toxic. We moved between

> my diagnosis and amalgam removal, so I lost the benefit of having

> continuity of medical care.

> These metals/elements did not show up as elevated in a later hair

> test, and my lithium is bottomed out in hair tests. But the

> question of bismuth is interesting because I was actually sicker 6

> months after amalgam removal than prior to it and subsequent

> improvement has been slow.

I presume you have stopped using those toxic supplements.

How much they added to your body burden is difficult to say and

is really moot. You just need to get on with chelation.

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[Guest guest]

, thanks for your comments. Yes, I've been up to speed on a

lot of things since ordering Andy's book in December and follow this

protocol quite carefully. Had I not connected with it, I would have

been getting EDTA chelation treatments by now!

Joanne

> I presume you have stopped using those toxic supplements.

> How much they added to your body burden is difficult to say and

> is really moot. You just need to get on with chelation.

>

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Just wanted to add that it is common to get sicker after removal if

you do not begin chelation. Some docs like the kickbacks from

pushing supplements...beware.

Bottomed out lithium means you have mercury in you. Bismuth is

really not consider toxic. Just annoying in the metal world. Likely

it was moving all those metals around with bad supplements and

challenge tests.

Andy will help! His protocol is excellent. A life saver for us.

Fear not, I have no medical care, and I am healthier for it.

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> > These metals/elements did not show up as elevated in a later

hair

> > test, and my lithium is bottomed out in hair tests. But the

> > question of bismuth is interesting because I was actually sicker

6

> > months after amalgam removal than prior to it and subsequent

> > improvement has been slow.

>

>

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In the description part of my hair test it says that high levels of

bismuth can cause constipation or irregularity, which is one of my

main problems right now along with a toxic feeling in my body and just

unwell wholeness.

Would DMSA get mercury out first or the bismuth? Or would both come at

at equal rates?

Also if I were to take DMSA every two hours would that accelerate

results? Thanks.

>

> Just wanted to add that it is common to get sicker after removal if

> you do not begin chelation. Some docs like the kickbacks from

> pushing supplements...beware.

> Bottomed out lithium means you have mercury in you. Bismuth is

> really not consider toxic. Just annoying in the metal world. Likely

> it was moving all those metals around with bad supplements and

> challenge tests.

> Andy will help! His protocol is excellent. A life saver for us.

> Fear not, I have no medical care, and I am healthier for it.

>

>

>

> >

> > > These metals/elements did not show up as elevated in a later

> hair

> > > test, and my lithium is bottomed out in hair tests. But the

> > > question of bismuth is interesting because I was actually sicker

> 6

> > > months after amalgam removal than prior to it and subsequent

> > > improvement has been slow.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

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> In the description part of my hair test it says that high levels of

> bismuth can cause constipation or irregularity, which is one of my

> main problems right now along with a toxic feeling in my body and just

> unwell wholeness.

Andy says in Hair Test Interpretation that bismuth can cause

neurological problems and psychiatric problems, along with various

other symptoms. In some cases, bismuth toxicity can be confused

with Parkinson's or other neurodegenerative disorders. The book

has a couple of pages talking about what bismuth can do to you.

It is important to remove exposure. I believe you said you stopped

the supplements that contained bismuth. It is also present in

cosmetics, diaper rash remedies, and digestive remedies such as

Pepto-bismol. Stomach acid blockers can sometimes be combined with

bismuth salts.

> Would DMSA get mercury out first or the bismuth? Or would both come at

> at equal rates?

I seem to remember Andy stating somewhere that it comes down

pretty quickly when you start chelating. I can't find this in

onibasu right now.

> Also if I were to take DMSA every two hours would that accelerate

> results? Thanks.

Only because you are taking a higher dosage per day.

Don't get in a rush. As TK always says, this is what gets people

into trouble.

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