Re: herbal adrenal support

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>I need an adult perspective. Wondering if any of you have tried the herbal

>adrenal supports such as Panax ginseng, or eulethro(something), rhodiola,

>licorice,ashwaganda, or a combination of such, would let me know how you

>did on them. Did they help? And what dosage did you use so I could get an

>idea of the dosage for a young child.

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> Thanks in advance,

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Ashwaganda is the safest of the lot for a child.

I have known children on it, but don't want to suggest a dose as I'm not

certain.

recommended ( I think?) 1000mg/day the first week, 2000mg/day the

second and 3000mg/day the third week for ADULTS and if you cope stay on this

dose. I'm not sure for kids though.

It is known as Indian Ginseng and is much milder. It has the bonus of

boosting the thyroid while supporting the adrenals in an adaptogenic way.

I'd start with this one.

[Guest guest]

>I need an adult perspective. Wondering if any of you have tried the herbal

>adrenal supports such as Panax ginseng, or eulethro(something), rhodiola,

>licorice,ashwaganda, or a combination of such, would let me know how you

>did on them. Did they help? And what dosage did you use so I could get an

>idea of the dosage for a young child.

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

Ashwaganda is the safest of the lot for a child.

I have known children on it, but don't want to suggest a dose as I'm not

certain.

recommended ( I think?) 1000mg/day the first week, 2000mg/day the

second and 3000mg/day the third week for ADULTS and if you cope stay on this

dose. I'm not sure for kids though.

It is known as Indian Ginseng and is much milder. It has the bonus of

boosting the thyroid while supporting the adrenals in an adaptogenic way.

I'd start with this one.

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> I need an adult perspective. Wondering if any of you have tried the

herbal adrenal supports such as Panax ginseng, or eulethro(something),

rhodiola, licorice,ashwaganda, or a combination of such, would let me

know how you did on them. Did they help? And what dosage did you use

so I could get an idea of the dosage for a young child.

>

> Thanks in advance,

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> I need an adult perspective. Wondering if any of you have tried the

herbal adrenal supports such as Panax ginseng, or eulethro(something),

rhodiola, licorice,ashwaganda, or a combination of such, would let me

know how you did on them. Did they help? And what dosage did you use

so I could get an idea of the dosage for a young child.

>

> Thanks in advance,

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> I need an adult perspective. Wondering if any of you have tried the

herbal adrenal supports such as Panax ginseng, or eulethro(something),

rhodiola, licorice,ashwaganda, or a combination of such, would let me

know how you did on them. Did they help? And what dosage did you use

so I could get an idea of the dosage for a young child.

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

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It is known as Indian Ginseng and is much milder. It has the bonus of

boosting the thyroid while supporting the adrenals in an adaptogenic way.

I'd start with this one.

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It is known as Indian Ginseng and is much milder. It has the bonus of

boosting the thyroid while supporting the adrenals in an adaptogenic way.

I'd start with this one.

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It is known as Indian Ginseng and is much milder. It has the bonus of

boosting the thyroid while supporting the adrenals in an adaptogenic way.

I'd start with this one.

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I have to address anxiety beyond adrenal support. You might need

to consider that.

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I have to address anxiety beyond adrenal support. You might need

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I have to address anxiety beyond adrenal support. You might need

to consider that.

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> Ashwagandha is my favorite. I took 3 grams per day for 6 months.

> Others seem to think this is a big dose, but I read this is the

> lower end of therapeutic dosage. I eventually developed some sort

> of allergy (or something) that may or may not have been caused by

> it, but that is the attribution I made. I have read that

> theoretically it can exacerbate autoimmune problems because it

> supports immune function.

After going through the ALCAT and understanding that intolerances develop

after repeated (daily) exposure to even a 'normal' food like lettuce, I have

come to the conclusion that it makes no sense to take any herb daily for two

long.

The rule I follow now, is that if I need a herb - I use it for 6 weeks and

then cycle onto a different herb.

Vitamins and amino-acids don't seem to carry this risk. Eventually you run

out of the ability to detox something if you give it to the body everyday.

Dean

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> Ashwagandha is my favorite. I took 3 grams per day for 6 months.

> Others seem to think this is a big dose, but I read this is the

> lower end of therapeutic dosage. I eventually developed some sort

> of allergy (or something) that may or may not have been caused by

> it, but that is the attribution I made. I have read that

> theoretically it can exacerbate autoimmune problems because it

> supports immune function.

After going through the ALCAT and understanding that intolerances develop

after repeated (daily) exposure to even a 'normal' food like lettuce, I have

come to the conclusion that it makes no sense to take any herb daily for two

long.

The rule I follow now, is that if I need a herb - I use it for 6 weeks and

then cycle onto a different herb.

Vitamins and amino-acids don't seem to carry this risk. Eventually you run

out of the ability to detox something if you give it to the body everyday.

Dean

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I am quite familiar with this phenomenon.

Some of my anxiety is very visible and obvious, but in my more

functional periods, I have invisible anxiety. It can be " invisible "

because I choose to hide it or because I am not tuned in to it.

People who know me well may notice it and probe.

If you do know her well and you can tell something is bothering her

and you ask her she'll deny it. She is able to resist all the ways I

know of to get kids to disclose problems.

S>>

I am quite familiar with this, too.

Sometimes I don't realize I am anxious.

Sometimes I realize, but I don't want to talk about it until I

understand it.

Moreover:

Sometimes there is something " real " going on, some basis in

external events.

Sometimes there is nothing " real " and it is just physiological:

adrenal or chemical exposure or possibly seizure-type brain

activity. I really don't have all that figured out yet, but after

years of talk therapy (of many varieties) I am certain that a

significant amount of my anxiety has no basis in external events.

My last psychiatrist, who really, really wanted there to be an

exogenous reason for my emotional problems, finally volunteered

to me one day that she felt my relationships with my family

and the various other stressors in my life really did not

explain my problems.

(You can get to this point when you humor them long enough,

but I really wish I hadn't wasted all that time and money.

Now this *is* a basis for some of my emotional issues.)

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> Then she's the kind of kid that will show up at her parents'

bedroom in the middle of the night crying about things like; worrying

about getting her school work done or losing something, neither of

which are the slightest concern to either her teacher or her parents

and not indicative of her at all.

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Well, it is not that unusual to be processing the events of the

day at bedtime, and she might not get anxious about something until

she's really processing it. Kids are pretty busy at school and

during the day and maybe don't have the time to reflect much until

it is dark and quiet and they are alone.

Maybe she is working harder than she appears to be to get the

school work done and not to lose things. So you are not concerned

because you don't see a problem, but she worries about keeping up

her performance. Could be a little perfectionism involved, too.

Another possibility is she has some " free-floating " anxiety and is

making up reasons to explain it. I started doing this when I was

about 7. My mother really needed there to be a reason why I was

having so much anxiety, so I came up with reasons. I sort of knew

I was making things up, but it made her feel better (which was a

stressor, so when she felt better, I felt better).

Could be some of both.

If it is " free-floating " maybe you could ask her if she feels

anything in her body, any funny feelings and where they reside.

Maybe she has those, maybe she doesn't. If she does, they

might be hard to express, but might be worth a try.

Back for a moment to when I was 7 and couldn't sleep: all I could

tell my parents was I " felt funny " . I had some dark, ominous

feelings but didn't know how to describe that. My mother got all

worried about it and wanted there to be something that happened at

school. I really couldn't think of anything and just made up

something to calm her down. My Dad's solution was " have a banana " .

That worked great! I think bananas have tryptophan as well as

potassium. (Hm - I will have to look up whether there is a GABA

connection, too.)

> I can sometimes head this off by voicing myself what I think she

is worried about but you have to be a good guesser or a mind reader

sometimes. Most kids will correct you if you guess wrong, but not her,

she knows what I am doing.

S>>

I suppose you all have a learning curve as far as what the anxiety

is about. Whatever the reason, whether it is free-floating or

real issues, it is stressful. Poor adrenal function and stress

feed into one another. I think you have to address it from all

angles - physiological, emotional, and analytical. Support the

body, support the feelings, and support the process of understanding.

> My thinking is that this makes the anxiety worse, it builds,

doesn't get expressed and then she dreams about it.

S>>

Does she write or act or do something artistic? Might help.

I have written poetry and found that a helpful outlet. Some

people have to find the right outlet for expressing certain

things. Drawing might be good for a 6 year old.

I wonder if there are qigong or tai chi classes for kids?

I'll bet there are. Or martial arts.

Which reminds me...gotta go do something about my anxiety.

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I believe Dean is absolutely correct here. Whenever I've been given

something herbal, in a few weeks or months it starts to nausea &

indigestion. Once that's happened, I can never take it again. In

the past year alone, it occurred with white willow bark (source for

aspirin) and now I can't even tolerate a single dose of regular

aspirin...which is really too bad because I found it resolved

fibromyalgia pain. Same thing has happened with herbals that were

really helping me sleep (valerian/passionflower/hops, etc.). Before

being treated for mercury my accupuncturist was treating me for

inability to absorb nutrients, sensitivities to a myriad of phenol

compounds, and allergies. I believe the reactions to phenols in

plants is closely connected with mercury toxicity and resulting

insufficiencies in liver and small intestinal absorption functions.

The purest possible non-herbal supplements have been a lifeline for

me and helped bring about amazing improvements in my health,

particularly with immunity and ability to absorb nutrients, in the

year and a half prior to amalgam removal. Although I've tried many

herbs, only a few we occasionally use in cooking are still an

option. Dean's recommendation comes to me at a good time, because I

found tumeric, fennel & fenugreek supplements help me with digestive

inflammation. Chances are, they won't be an option if I use them

regularly. When I finish chelating, I may try desensitization

treatments again.

Joanne

> After going through the ALCAT and understanding that intolerances

develop

> after repeated (daily) exposure to even a 'normal' food like

lettuce, I have

> come to the conclusion that it makes no sense to take any herb

daily for two

> long.

> The rule I follow now, is that if I need a herb - I use it for 6

weeks and

> then cycle onto a different herb.

>

> Vitamins and amino-acids don't seem to carry this risk. Eventually

you run

> out of the ability to detox something if you give it to the body

everyday.

> Dean

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> After going through the ALCAT and understanding that intolerances

develop

> after repeated (daily) exposure to even a 'normal' food like

lettuce, I have

> come to the conclusion that it makes no sense to take any herb daily

for two

> long.

> The rule I follow now, is that if I need a herb - I use it for 6

weeks and

> then cycle onto a different herb.

This is probably a good idea when possible.

> Vitamins and amino-acids don't seem to carry this risk. Eventually

you run

When I started NAET I was sensitive to many basic vitamins and

minerals. I can't remember if I was checked for aminos, but I am

sure they can cause problems, too. Of course, NAET tests not just

for standard allergy (which I assume is what ALCAT tests for) but

for any type of intolerance or sensitivity.

Recently I had some more NAET testing and I was terribly weak

to salt - I have been using a LOT of it for the past few months.

I also tested as sensitive to many hormones.

I know not everyone believes in NAET or gets good results from

it, but it has helped me a lot in the past. I have also found the

results to make a lot of sense.

> out of the ability to detox something if you give it to the body

everyday.

I'm not disagreeing at all with your basic point about avoiding

over-exposure to foods, herbs, and whatever when possible. I just

think it is possible to become sensitive to things that are

difficult to avoid.

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> Dean