Dosage and Spasm Question. Please advise.

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Hi All,

I have a couple of questions that I thought you may be able to answer.

As you know the last time we spoke I had just started chelating at 6mg

DMSA since then it has been a fantastic success.

I am now on round 17 and have done 5 rounds on 18.75mg. I still have

not felt ready to begin to introduce ALA. My mercury hair test, done 3

weeks ago showed a drop by 50%. Still off the scale, but a great

improvement!

I progressed to 8mg then 12.5mg all the while my symptoms of AS,

fatigue, brain fog, constipation etc were diminishing. It has been

fantastic. On round 13 I increased the dose to 18.75mg, and since then

have experienced some AS pain, spasms and fatigue etc. In Andy Cutlers

book, there is a diagram that charts this drop in improvement, stating

that this is due to a slight re flooding of the blood with mercury

coming out of the organs.

Its interesting that whilst chelating I generally feel not too bad,

but in the 'inbetween days' I get progressivly worse. The infamous

first day after a round does not seem to be an issue, but by day 4 my

joints are in considerable pain.

Does this mean that my dose is too high?

Or could it be that I need to chelate for longer periods?

Any suggestions on this would really be appreciated, as tonight I have

experienced lower back spasms and sharp pain, as I experienced when

starting on too high a dose when I first was chelating (25mg sending

me into hospital) So am now t a loss as to where to go next.

Kind regards to all.

Charlie

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi All,

>

> I have a couple of questions that I thought you may be able to answer.

>

> As you know the last time we spoke I had just started chelating at 6mg

> DMSA since then it has been a fantastic success.

>

> I am now on round 17 and have done 5 rounds on 18.75mg. I still have

> not felt ready to begin to introduce ALA. My mercury hair test, done 3

> weeks ago showed a drop by 50%. Still off the scale, but a great

> improvement!

>

> I progressed to 8mg then 12.5mg all the while my symptoms of AS,

> fatigue, brain fog, constipation etc were diminishing. It has been

> fantastic.

>On round 13 I increased the dose to 18.75mg, and since then

> have experienced some AS pain, spasms and fatigue etc.

Since the pain and other symptoms came back with the dosage increase I

would go back to the dose that was working before, ie 12.5 mg.

In Andy Cutlers

> book, there is a diagram that charts this drop in improvement, stating

> that this is due to a slight re flooding of the blood with mercury

> coming out of the organs.

>

> Its interesting that whilst chelating I generally feel not too bad,

> but in the 'inbetween days' I get progressivly worse. The infamous

> first day after a round does not seem to be an issue, but by day 4 my

> joints are in considerable pain.

>

This is the same pattern with me (chelating with DMPS). The day after

I stop I do have some symptoms of fatigue and brain cloudiness, but it

is about day 4 or 5 when the pain gets worse.

> Does this mean that my dose is too high?

>

> Or could it be that I need to chelate for longer periods?

>

I would stick with the dose that is comfortable.

If you can wake up at night to chelate for longer periods, that is

fine (like 1 week on, 1 week off).

> Any suggestions on this would really be appreciated, as tonight I have

> experienced lower back spasms and sharp pain,

With these extreme symptoms I think it's better to stick with the 12.5

mg dose.

If you can find a practitioner to prescribe DMPS you may find that

helpful because with the every 8 h dosing you can go for longer

rounds. That is essentially why I am using DMPS.

as I experienced when

> starting on too high a dose when I first was chelating (25mg sending

> me into hospital)

25 mg doses of both DMSA and DMPS made me totally dysfunctional at the

end of rounds when I first started. I know how extreme the symptoms

can be for some of us. Now, after more than a year of chelation, I

can tolerate 25 mg dose. Best to go slow.

J

So am now t a loss as to where to go next.

>

> Kind regards to all.

>

> Charlie

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi All,

>

> I have a couple of questions that I thought you may be able to answer.

>

> As you know the last time we spoke I had just started chelating at 6mg

> DMSA since then it has been a fantastic success.

>

> I am now on round 17 and have done 5 rounds on 18.75mg. I still have

> not felt ready to begin to introduce ALA. My mercury hair test, done 3

> weeks ago showed a drop by 50%. Still off the scale, but a great

> improvement!

>

> I progressed to 8mg then 12.5mg all the while my symptoms of AS,

> fatigue, brain fog, constipation etc were diminishing. It has been

> fantastic.

>On round 13 I increased the dose to 18.75mg, and since then

> have experienced some AS pain, spasms and fatigue etc.

Since the pain and other symptoms came back with the dosage increase I

would go back to the dose that was working before, ie 12.5 mg.

In Andy Cutlers

> book, there is a diagram that charts this drop in improvement, stating

> that this is due to a slight re flooding of the blood with mercury

> coming out of the organs.

>

> Its interesting that whilst chelating I generally feel not too bad,

> but in the 'inbetween days' I get progressivly worse. The infamous

> first day after a round does not seem to be an issue, but by day 4 my

> joints are in considerable pain.

>

This is the same pattern with me (chelating with DMPS). The day after

I stop I do have some symptoms of fatigue and brain cloudiness, but it

is about day 4 or 5 when the pain gets worse.

> Does this mean that my dose is too high?

>

> Or could it be that I need to chelate for longer periods?

>

I would stick with the dose that is comfortable.

If you can wake up at night to chelate for longer periods, that is

fine (like 1 week on, 1 week off).

> Any suggestions on this would really be appreciated, as tonight I have

> experienced lower back spasms and sharp pain,

With these extreme symptoms I think it's better to stick with the 12.5

mg dose.

If you can find a practitioner to prescribe DMPS you may find that

helpful because with the every 8 h dosing you can go for longer

rounds. That is essentially why I am using DMPS.

as I experienced when

> starting on too high a dose when I first was chelating (25mg sending

> me into hospital)

25 mg doses of both DMSA and DMPS made me totally dysfunctional at the

end of rounds when I first started. I know how extreme the symptoms

can be for some of us. Now, after more than a year of chelation, I

can tolerate 25 mg dose. Best to go slow.

J

So am now t a loss as to where to go next.

>

> Kind regards to all.

>

> Charlie

>

[Guest guest]

> >

Thanks .

I haave started another rpund at 18.75mg. I am now feeling a bit

better. I feel as though because i am ok whilst chelating that i

should just keep going or at least start again before the 4th day off

when i begin to feel the pain coming back.

The issue for me is complicated by the fact that i have AS. The pain i

get is almost entirely due to that. There is a huge amount of evidnce

to say that the AS flare ups are due to improper enzyme activity in

digesting starches. This is why i feel it could be of benefit to start

using ALA as its antioxidant capabilities would support the

liver,pancreas etc as well as obviously being a chelator.

I had intended to slowly work my way up to 25mg DMSA before i started

ALA but this has been more difficult than i envisaged. I now think it

might be a good idea to reduce the DMSA and bring in ALA at 6mg.

I have been speaking to another AS sufferer (who actually introduced

me to the concept of chelation) and he has had tremendous success with

both DMSA and ALA. I apppreciate all our physiologies are different

but do you think that ALA could be an option at this stage or am i

still being too keen?

cheers

Charlie

> > Hi All,

> >

> > I have a couple of questions that I thought you may be able to answer.

> >

> > As you know the last time we spoke I had just started chelating at 6mg

> > DMSA since then it has been a fantastic success.

> >

> > I am now on round 17 and have done 5 rounds on 18.75mg. I still have

> > not felt ready to begin to introduce ALA. My mercury hair test, done 3

> > weeks ago showed a drop by 50%. Still off the scale, but a great

> > improvement!

> >

> > I progressed to 8mg then 12.5mg all the while my symptoms of AS,

> > fatigue, brain fog, constipation etc were diminishing. It has been

> > fantastic.

>

> >On round 13 I increased the dose to 18.75mg, and since then

> > have experienced some AS pain, spasms and fatigue etc.

>

>

>

> Since the pain and other symptoms came back with the dosage increase I

> would go back to the dose that was working before, ie 12.5 mg.

>

>

>

>

>

> In Andy Cutlers

> > book, there is a diagram that charts this drop in improvement, stating

> > that this is due to a slight re flooding of the blood with mercury

> > coming out of the organs.

> >

>

>

> > Its interesting that whilst chelating I generally feel not too bad,

> > but in the 'inbetween days' I get progressivly worse. The infamous

> > first day after a round does not seem to be an issue, but by day 4 my

> > joints are in considerable pain.

> >

>

>

>

> This is the same pattern with me (chelating with DMPS). The day after

> I stop I do have some symptoms of fatigue and brain cloudiness, but it

> is about day 4 or 5 when the pain gets worse.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Does this mean that my dose is too high?

> >

> > Or could it be that I need to chelate for longer periods?

> >

>

>

>

> I would stick with the dose that is comfortable.

>

> If you can wake up at night to chelate for longer periods, that is

> fine (like 1 week on, 1 week off).

>

>

>

>

>

> > Any suggestions on this would really be appreciated, as tonight I have

> > experienced lower back spasms and sharp pain,

>

>

>

> With these extreme symptoms I think it's better to stick with the 12.5

> mg dose.

>

> If you can find a practitioner to prescribe DMPS you may find that

> helpful because with the every 8 h dosing you can go for longer

> rounds. That is essentially why I am using DMPS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> as I experienced when

> > starting on too high a dose when I first was chelating (25mg sending

> > me into hospital)

>

>

>

> 25 mg doses of both DMSA and DMPS made me totally dysfunctional at the

> end of rounds when I first started. I know how extreme the symptoms

> can be for some of us. Now, after more than a year of chelation, I

> can tolerate 25 mg dose. Best to go slow.

>

>

> J

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> So am now t a loss as to where to go next.

> >

> > Kind regards to all.

> >

> > Charlie

> >

>