Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 ICDRC has a board and they have a non-profit arm. There is also an application for funding assistance to use their services. Some places will negotiate their fees. From: ostinho2 Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:03 PM To: sList Subject: Re: profit honestly, I have very little respect for the way DAN doctors decided to charge their patients. there's absolutely nothing that they do that warrant a $500 consultation fee. I know that people choose to go to them and agree to pay what they ask, but that's not an excuse for them to take advantage. There're parents that can't afford the consultation and go anyways, borrowing money, using credit cards...because they believe they must try anything and everything. The fact that none of them take insurance isn't an excuse either, since all docs complain of how little insurance pays anyways. And the explanation that they can't charge differently for out-of-pocket patients is a great one...hospitals can offer patients discounts, financing plans...why can't they? When I told one DAN doctor that the fees were so high, I heard "well, but it's your kid, you want the best for him, right?" no offer of splitting the $450 in 2, or anything like that...This whole business is a shame...> > > Subject: profit> To: mailto:sList%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 9:43 AM> > > > > > > > > > > #yiv653257281 p {margin:0;}> > > > > > > > In my 10 years of dealing with an autistic child the thing that stands out most is the number of people trying to profit from it like it's some kind of growth business.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Hello! We work with Dr. Udell who comes to our office and we do bill his evaluations and treatments through insurance that we are approved to do so. Please call and ask to speak to or to make an appointment to see Dr Udell at our office in Fort Lauderdale. He is also the physician that writes the prescription for the Mild HBOT that we are offering for FREE. Eileen > > > > > > From: kingmeerkat@ <kingmeerkat@> > > Subject: profit > > To: sList > > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my 10 years of dealing with an autistic child the thing that stands out most is the number of people trying to profit from it like it's some kind of growth business. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 And Dr. Udell is an amazing person. He will really see what your child needs, not what all the others do.Glad you have him there!This a gret service you are doing. I will check with him if my son needs hbot and will connect with you afterwards. Thank you for sharing!Fabiola Sent from my BlackBerry® on the MetroPCS NetworkSender: sList Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:11:16 -0000To: <sList >ReplyTo: sList Subject: Re: profit Hello! We work with Dr. Udell who comes to our office and we do bill his evaluations and treatments through insurance that we are approved to do so. Please call and ask to speak to or to make an appointment to see Dr Udell at our office in Fort Lauderdale. He is also the physician that writes the prescription for the Mild HBOT that we are offering for FREE.Eileen> > > > > > From: kingmeerkat@ <kingmeerkat@>> > Subject: profit> > To: sList > > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 9:43 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my 10 years of dealing with an autistic child the thing that stands out most is the number of people trying to profit from it like it's some kind of growth business.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Hi!Which insurance do u have? Sent from my BlackBerry® on the MetroPCS NetworkSender: sList Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:21:09 -0000To: <sList >ReplyTo: sList Subject: Re: profit I got reimbursement $500 (Which I did not expected) reimbursement our of the $600 first time consultation fee from my insurance company using Dr. Bradstreet and Rosignol at ICDRC, It was more than worth it. They spent over 2 hours with my son, when I got there I could tell that they spent a lot of time previously looking at my child's intake form and medical records. They did all the testing on our first visit at their in-house lab with the kids friendly needle, provided me with an invoice with codes to submit to my insurance, worked with the in-network labs who covered the testing, did not push me for unnecessary tests... by the second visit I got all the lab results, a treatment plan, they give you a lot on your first visit.. Some Doctors may not charge that much but start the treatment very slooowly making you go several times ending up being more expensive. I went to one before " saving money " who put me on the diet for months... which did not work because my son has a bid reaction to egg! And I have to ask for testing and they sent me home with some kits to do them myself! But at least these DAN doctors do something and give you hope, the Neurologist we visited for about 30 minutes charged my insurance $500 for the visit, do not even looked at my son, just asked us few questions and gave us a letter with the " Diagnosed " that we already had! I believe parents are willing to pay for whatever help their kids, sad part is when you pay for something that is not working or to see a therapists doing something that you can do better and at home and they charge $$$ for it! Many of us have to work many hours to pay for 1 hour of therapy, we want that time to be worth it, even if is paid by the insurance! Sometimes is not only money, it's your time, and time you take away from your child to be at the park with their friends! > > > > From: kingmeerkat@ <kingmeerkat@>> > Subject: profit> > To: mailto:sList%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 9:43 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #yiv653257281 p {margin:0;}> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my 10 years of dealing with an autistic child the thing that stands out most is the number of people trying to profit from it like it's some kind of growth business.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Yes, the oath is wonderful. I try my best to treat any child as if they are my own and from my heart. I myself follow it, however in any field not just medicine there are disreputable people that are in it for other reasons. Look what they used to charge for "secretin" and now its whatever flavor of the new "cures" are today. It is sad and I am grateful and appreciative of all the support staff that have helped my child throughout the years without making a profit. I never could do any of the newer therapies as I was already bankrupt. I don't believe that we need to continue this type of dialogue anymore however, it just provokes and saddeneds many families. To: sList Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 9:53:08 PMSubject: Re: profit I found this online. Occupational therapy oath As an occupational therapist I will revere the quality of life as life itself, assist all who request my help according to my ability and judgment; provide sufficient information to enable my client or those responsible for my client to make informed decisions regarding my client, sharing only with those others who are immediately involved with my clients' care; be goal directed and objective in my evaluation and intervention but above all I will be with my client in the stress of evaluation and the work of intervention; make only recommendations that I judge as being beneficial to my client, maintain my competence and represent that competence accurately; accept my own limitations and when indicated seek the assistance of those with different or greater knowledge and skill, ask only a reasonable fee for service; take responsibility for participating in formulating the policies and standards of my profession; build upon the knowledge and skills with those who will follow through publication and teaching; respect my colleagues to the extent that they deserve my respect; sanction those colleagues who are incompetent or unethical in practice; be accountable for all my decisions and actions. To the members of my profession and the society to which I am responsible and serve, I make this pledge with full understanding of the actions required by this oath. I am going to leave it at that because honestly I give free advice to people who are struggling in 3rd world countries dealing with the same issues we are dealing with our kids. Imagine they are all considered mentally handicap. They have no idea what Autism is.The saying goes that the grass is greener on the other side but our little community is growing really big now. We fight amongs ourselves for services. Its only going to get worst. Either we can bitch about it and place blame on this or that. Or we can stop feeling sorry about everything and just deal with what we have been given. If you havent notice our healthcare is a business. Its not the people working in the medical fields that made it that way. It is the way our system works out right now. To: sList Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 2:39:10 PMSubject: Re: profit Ok. However, please realize that some providers also have their own families to support. The medicaid reform has hindered not only families with children needing services but also the providers that need the income to feed/clothe their own families and buy durable goods. Everyone is hurting now - not that I am promoting the incredible amounts of money that some charge. I am a therapist and also a parent of a child with autism and have difficulty getting Medicaid to reimburse me for all the therapies that I do provide for children and it is not much money to begin with. If you add in all the time you have to spend in phone calls, billing, paperwork, expenses etc some companies have to charge more. I don't but I am also unable to hire anyone and pay them a wage. The health care system is broken in every sense and now they want to repeal the vote. I'm exhausted with all this. To: sList Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 6:02:40 PMSubject: Re: profit I think the health care industry should be completely not for profit! profit In my 10 years of dealing with an autistic child the thing that stands out most is the number of people trying to profit from it like it's some kind of growth business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Wish they would write some other prescriptions ie: good for one week paid vacation where I the physician will take great care of your child! That would be worth the money. ))))) To: sList Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 7:40:59 PMSubject: Re: profit My comment was geared more towards the doctor that charges $400 to spend 30 minutes with you and your child, writes you a prescription for zoloft and says see you in 2 or 4 weeks...I've encountered that many times...sad, very sad. Subject: Re: profitTo: sList Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 2:39 PM Ok. However, please realize that some providers also have their own families to support. The medicaid reform has hindered not only families with children needing services but also the providers that need the income to feed/clothe their own families and buy durable goods. Everyone is hurting now - not that I am promoting the incredible amounts of money that some charge. I am a therapist and also a parent of a child with autism and have difficulty getting Medicaid to reimburse me for all the therapies that I do provide for children and it is not much money to begin with. If you add in all the time you have to spend in phone calls, billing, paperwork, expenses etc some companies have to charge more. I don't but I am also unable to hire anyone and pay them a wage. The health care system is broken in every sense and now they want to repeal the vote. I'm exhausted with all this. To: sList Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 6:02:40 PMSubject: Re: profit I think the health care industry should be completely not for profit! profit In my 10 years of dealing with an autistic child the thing that stands out most is the number of people trying to profit from it like it's some kind of growth business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Most moms are already natural therapists anyway. Sounds like youre a great one! To: sList Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 3:20:33 PMSubject: Re: Re: profit I agree with you. I'm a mom to a low functioning kid and I have always tried to push my son. I became a therapist assistant and I work for the school system now. I see what you talk about. In regards to being motivated and loving what you do. I really love OT. I love working with all my kids on the spectrum. Especially when they are having that melt down and they just want to escape from the task. I get them and respect that they need their space but we learn by teaching about consequences. It was harder in the private clinic setting to deal with parents for myself because being a parent I gave up my life to teach my son and take him to his therapies. I always assumed that all parents are like me. Sadly mistaken. Professionals and parents its a give and take relationship. Going in with lawyers to advocate is one extreme and then to the other when you have some parents which never even go to an IEP meeting and everything in between. So you will find professionals like this. The ones who are amazing and the ones who are in it for the money and everything in between. I'm sorry that some us have to learn the hard way. Milian COTA/L aka enzo's mom Connected by MOTOBLURâ„¢ on T-Mobile Re: profit Unfortunately not only doctors, everywhere you go... including some therapists who wants to charge $$$ for therapies! many parents cannot afford any after school therapies. I want to see people working with the heart and desire to make a difference in our kids lives, many have very low expectations of them, how can something work if you do not believe in what you do? I have some therapists that have make a tremendous contribution to my son's progress during our journey... the ones that have the passion for what they do, they want to make you part of the session "not drop-off session and better if you are not here", wants you to learn how to work with your kid at home, are not looking at the clock allt the time, and the most important: are not labeling your child! Just working on the areas they need help! Treating them with love, respect and positive reinforcement! >> > In my 10 years of dealing with an autistic child the thing that stands out most is the number of people trying to profit from it like it's some kind of growth business.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I have been using Dr. Rossignal for a year now and this is news to me. I will be filling out that funding assistance app real soon. Thanks for the info! profit > To: mailto:sList%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > #yiv653257281 p {margin:0;} > > > > > > > > In my 10 years of dealing with an autistic child the thing that stands out most is the number of people trying to profit from it like it's some kind of growth business. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I have been using Dr. Rossignal for a year now and this is news to me. I will be filling out that funding assistance app real soon. Thanks for the info! profit > To: mailto:sList%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > #yiv653257281 p {margin:0;} > > > > > > > > In my 10 years of dealing with an autistic child the thing that stands out most is the number of people trying to profit from it like it's some kind of growth business. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I have been using Dr. Rossignal for a year now and this is news to me. I will be filling out that funding assistance app real soon. Thanks for the info! profit > To: mailto:sList%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > #yiv653257281 p {margin:0;} > > > > > > > > In my 10 years of dealing with an autistic child the thing that stands out most is the number of people trying to profit from it like it's some kind of growth business. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 United Healthcare, but if you have any Out of network coverage, you should be able to file for reimbursement! > > > > > > From: kingmeerkat@ <kingmeerkat@> > > > Subject: profit > > > To: mailto:sList%40yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #yiv653257281 p {margin:0;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my 10 years of dealing with an autistic child the thing that stands out most is the number of people trying to profit from it like it's some kind of growth business. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 well said. To: sList Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 9:00:15 AMSubject: profit As a specialist, the fees are generally higher, for any specialty area, not just autism. My previous hematologist/oncologist had similar fees. So did my partner's previous gastroenterologist. Those fees are only sometimes covered by insurance but the fees are the same because they are specialty areas. The fees don't all just go to the doctor. There are other staff members (physician's assistants, nurses, office staff, rent of the building/facility) who are paid, as well, from those fees.People can still have their opinions but it is important to know the reasons about the fees and not just the false belief that they go in the doctors' pockets.The "autism guru" doctors are not the only ones with high fees. To use an ABA agency, one has to pay for the evaluation, which can be almost $400, along with the hourly fees of $60-$100 based on the individual's certification. So, the medical field isn't the only place with high fees.There is money to be made in autism for those that provide services; there is no argument about that.But also as a service provider, I work hard to maintain my licensure, stay up to date with current best practices and methodology and myself pay a lot of money and fees to maintain my education at a certain level. As a parent, I am consistently providing services for free or low cost due to the understanding of financial situations.As a service provider, I have found that people who pay for a service tend to utilize it more and follow through with suggested interventions and treatment plans.Hope this helps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 well said. To: sList Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 9:00:15 AMSubject: profit As a specialist, the fees are generally higher, for any specialty area, not just autism. My previous hematologist/oncologist had similar fees. So did my partner's previous gastroenterologist. Those fees are only sometimes covered by insurance but the fees are the same because they are specialty areas. The fees don't all just go to the doctor. There are other staff members (physician's assistants, nurses, office staff, rent of the building/facility) who are paid, as well, from those fees.People can still have their opinions but it is important to know the reasons about the fees and not just the false belief that they go in the doctors' pockets.The "autism guru" doctors are not the only ones with high fees. To use an ABA agency, one has to pay for the evaluation, which can be almost $400, along with the hourly fees of $60-$100 based on the individual's certification. So, the medical field isn't the only place with high fees.There is money to be made in autism for those that provide services; there is no argument about that.But also as a service provider, I work hard to maintain my licensure, stay up to date with current best practices and methodology and myself pay a lot of money and fees to maintain my education at a certain level. As a parent, I am consistently providing services for free or low cost due to the understanding of financial situations.As a service provider, I have found that people who pay for a service tend to utilize it more and follow through with suggested interventions and treatment plans.Hope this helps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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