Re: FAPE ??!? Right here in Florida... Appropriate ??!?

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Is there a place or website where I could voice or sign my opinion for opposition of inclusion. I dont want inclusion in schools. Any suggestions?

FAPE ??!? Right here in Florida... "Appropriate" ??!?

Dear Advocates & Parents,

I am also looking at the educational system and I am so saddened by what I've seen now in at least two states, Illinois and more recently Florida, and the problem is probably much further spread even than this.

I have an MS from the School of Social Welfare and had worked with young adults coming off IEPs as early as the 1990s. Back then I had also saw the history of those with learning differences, in my case files, of program "participants" who had lived in and come out of institutions. Back then, this closing of institutions and "community integration" was considered progressive. Now, with all the advances time usually brings, etc, is it correct that there are today segregated schools "just/especially for" children with intellectual learning differences?

In looking at the first paragraph of the Florida Inclusion Network's page, 'FAQs from Parents,'

http://www.floridainclusionnetwork.com/Research_Centers/CRSRL/Florida_Inclusion_Network/FAQs/FAQs_from_Parents.aspx

and then seeing there are secluded institutions for daily learning, no matter what each secluded institution propagates on their website(s) to do for children, well, it leaves me very confused as to why the same could not be done with a model of inclusion, aides if necessary, in a "regular" school... However this obvious seclusion of the segregated school, with all its surrounding self-made propaganda, meets standards FAPE (Free Appropriate Public Education under Section 504) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Appropriate_Public_Education

What is education for those with special needs really like today, yikes - and what is the apparently active segregated educational institution model all about?! Are there any advocacy groups concerned about these seclusion matters? Is Florida Inclusion Network one, or just more propaganda, and are there other groups as well? I will be looking...anyone else concerned please speak up and share what you know, thank you!!!

Jeanie

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Is there a place or website where I could voice or sign my opinion for opposition of inclusion. I dont want inclusion in schools. Any suggestions?

FAPE ??!? Right here in Florida... "Appropriate" ??!?

Dear Advocates & Parents,

I am also looking at the educational system and I am so saddened by what I've seen now in at least two states, Illinois and more recently Florida, and the problem is probably much further spread even than this.

I have an MS from the School of Social Welfare and had worked with young adults coming off IEPs as early as the 1990s. Back then I had also saw the history of those with learning differences, in my case files, of program "participants" who had lived in and come out of institutions. Back then, this closing of institutions and "community integration" was considered progressive. Now, with all the advances time usually brings, etc, is it correct that there are today segregated schools "just/especially for" children with intellectual learning differences?

In looking at the first paragraph of the Florida Inclusion Network's page, 'FAQs from Parents,'

http://www.floridainclusionnetwork.com/Research_Centers/CRSRL/Florida_Inclusion_Network/FAQs/FAQs_from_Parents.aspx

and then seeing there are secluded institutions for daily learning, no matter what each secluded institution propagates on their website(s) to do for children, well, it leaves me very confused as to why the same could not be done with a model of inclusion, aides if necessary, in a "regular" school... However this obvious seclusion of the segregated school, with all its surrounding self-made propaganda, meets standards FAPE (Free Appropriate Public Education under Section 504) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Appropriate_Public_Education

What is education for those with special needs really like today, yikes - and what is the apparently active segregated educational institution model all about?! Are there any advocacy groups concerned about these seclusion matters? Is Florida Inclusion Network one, or just more propaganda, and are there other groups as well? I will be looking...anyone else concerned please speak up and share what you know, thank you!!!

Jeanie

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Last time I checked I was living in America and no one should be able to make that choice for all special needs children. They are all different and not one thing works for everyone just like neuro typical children. Inclusion can work both ways it can enhance any child's life and education if done correctly.I learned a long time ago not to judge others unless you have lived in their shoes!KathySent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: sList Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:34:31 -0500To: <sList >ReplyTo: sList Subject: Re: FAPE ??!? Right here in Florida... "Appropriate" ??!? Not everyone is for inclusion, but I still think it should be a choice. Inclusion nor exclusion should be forced I don't understand your comment/post.  You DON'T want inclusion? Sent from my iPhone Is there a place or website where I could voice or sign my opinion for opposition of inclusion. I dont want inclusion in schools. Any suggestions?

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There are many options for kids and it really should meet the needs of the specific child. Not every child should be and would benefit from inclusion. To say that as a blanket statement and as a general rule is not always beneficial to every child. I’ve seen a couple of advocates that are very firm on inclusion, which is great but it still has to fit the child. It can be detrimental.

Plus, I’ve see inclusion classrooms where there are upwards of 30 some kids in them and a teacher and an aide or 2 teachers. How is that beneficial to a kid who needs more individualized attention, has sensory issues, etc.? That’s like the opposite of what I’d want for my kid even if it’s called inclusion.

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Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 3:34 PM

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Subject: Re: FAPE ??!? Right here in Florida... "Appropriate" ??!?

Not everyone is for inclusion, but I still think it should be a choice. Inclusion nor exclusion should be forced

I don't understand your comment/post. You DON'T want inclusion? Sent from my iPhone

Is there a place or website where I could voice or sign my opinion for opposition of inclusion. I dont want inclusion in schools. Any suggestions?