Re: DDI Hair Test While Chelating Randy

[Guest guest]

>

> Does taking the test at this time effect the validity of the results?

The results will be valid. The hair test while chelating may be

different from what you would have had before starting chelation.

I think that you already know that you are toxic based on feeling

somewhat better and somewhat worse since starting chelation (more

details would be helpful, like do you feel better on rounds and worse

when the round stops). The hair test may help to confirm toxicity if

it shows deranged mineral transport or it may give you other

information, like about the state of your adrenals and thryoid, that

you might find helpful.

> I did not meet any of the counting rules. I started weekend chelation

> a few months ago based on a four year old DDI test before my amalgams

> were removed (with high mercury), a recent challenge test (I know,

> assumed not representative), and symptoms that the doctors, so far,

> have not been able to pin down. I have been feeling generally better

> (with a few symptoms worse) since the chelation. I can post full

> results if helpful (Toxic elements aluminium in 95th, while arsenic,

> uranium, and silver over 68th percentile. Essential elements Boron in

> 95th, while Lithium & Cobalt in 2.5th percentile).

If you are talking about results of the challenge test, posting them

won't help me. If you are talking about the results of a hair test

posting them would be useful, even if it's an old test. See the how

to post hair tests file in the files section.

J

Thanks all.

>

[Guest guest]

I will post and thanks so much for your input. It was a recent DDI

test that did not meet the counting rules, but seemed to have other

abnormalities.

> >

> > Does taking the test at this time effect the validity of the

results?

>

>

>

> The results will be valid. The hair test while chelating may be

> different from what you would have had before starting chelation.

>

> I think that you already know that you are toxic based on feeling

> somewhat better and somewhat worse since starting chelation (more

> details would be helpful, like do you feel better on rounds and

worse

> when the round stops). The hair test may help to confirm toxicity

if

> it shows deranged mineral transport or it may give you other

> information, like about the state of your adrenals and thryoid, that

> you might find helpful.

>

>

>

>

>

> > I did not meet any of the counting rules. I started weekend

chelation

> > a few months ago based on a four year old DDI test before my

amalgams

> > were removed (with high mercury), a recent challenge test (I

know,

> > assumed not representative), and symptoms that the doctors, so

far,

> > have not been able to pin down. I have been feeling generally

better

> > (with a few symptoms worse) since the chelation. I can post full

> > results if helpful (Toxic elements aluminium in 95th, while

arsenic,

> > uranium, and silver over 68th percentile. Essential elements

Boron in

> > 95th, while Lithium & Cobalt in 2.5th percentile).

>

>

>

> If you are talking about results of the challenge test, posting them

> won't help me. If you are talking about the results of a hair test

> posting them would be useful, even if it's an old test. See the how

> to post hair tests file in the files section.

>

> J

>

>

>

>

>

> Thanks all.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hair test number 103 (the color bars were dropped during scnaning on

my end)

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/hairtest.html

The hair test did not seem to fall into any of the counting rules. A

DDI test four years ago, showed high mercury. Amalgams were removed

several years after that (with implants), the last one being within

the last year. I feel my health deteriorated after the implants.

1) Current symptoms and medical history;

Undiagnosed neurological symtoms, i.e, numbness and tingling in legs

and calf, feeling of disorientation/dizziness/lightheadedness/trouble

concentrating. Fear and anxiety, which was very pronounced, has been

reduced greatly from January of this year when the symptoms started.

Bouts of ulcerative proctitus. My HMO doctor said she did not know

what else she could do for me after doing MRI and other blood work.

2) Supplements; medications and chelating schedule at the time of hair

test;

Weekend chelating for the last two months at 25mg DMSA/25-50 MG ALA.

Not sure if I feel better during or after, as things swing back and

forth and seem to have their own rhythm. I'd say I generally feel

worse, but my resting habits change and activity is much less over

the weekend sessions. I do feel great today (Friday am) and I just

started my weekend round and upped the ALA. I wish I could be more

specific.

I'm taking a number of Ayurvedic herbs which seems to have calmed me

down considerably. B complex, C complex, vitamin D (was low when last

tested), E, fish oils, L-Arginine/L-Citruline (nitrox oxide

production for HBP), L-Gluamine/aloe/licorice root (for GI) IgG

formula.

Thanks for any suggestions as to the other findings from the test.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hair test number 103 (the color bars were dropped during scnaning on

> my end)

> http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/hairtest.html

>

>

> The hair test did not seem to fall into any of the counting rules. A

> DDI test four years ago, showed high mercury.

A DDI hair test with red zone mercury is diagnostic of mercury

toxicity. If you never chelated (properly), you need to.

Amalgams were removed

> several years after that (with implants), the last one being within

> the last year. I feel my health deteriorated after the implants.

I don't know anything about dental implants. You may need to do

some research to see if these are causing problems and what to

do about it.

> 1) Current symptoms and medical history;

>

> Undiagnosed neurological symtoms, i.e, numbness and tingling in legs

> and calf, feeling of disorientation/dizziness/lightheadedness/trouble

> concentrating. Fear and anxiety, which was very pronounced, has been

> reduced greatly from January of this year when the symptoms started.

> Bouts of ulcerative proctitus. My HMO doctor said she did not know

> what else she could do for me after doing MRI and other blood work.

They should do sufficient testing to give you a diagnosis for the

neuropathy. It may end up being called " idiopathic " , but at least

they should try to rule things out.

It's good that the fear and anxiety has improved - I wonder if

the disorientation/dizziness/etc could be adrenal. You might want

to check Andy's discussion of adrenal issues in Amalgam Illness.

Saliva testing is available with or without the help of doctors.

> 2) Supplements; medications and chelating schedule at the time of hair

> test;

>

> Weekend chelating for the last two months at 25mg DMSA/25-50 MG ALA.

> Not sure if I feel better during or after, as things swing back and

> forth and seem to have their own rhythm. I'd say I generally feel

> worse, but my resting habits change and activity is much less over

> the weekend sessions. I do feel great today (Friday am) and I just

> started my weekend round and upped the ALA. I wish I could be more

> specific.

>

> I'm taking a number of Ayurvedic herbs which seems to have calmed me

> down considerably. B complex, C complex, vitamin D (was low when last

> tested), E, fish oils, L-Arginine/L-Citruline (nitrox oxide

> production for HBP), L-Gluamine/aloe/licorice root (for GI) IgG

> formula.

Vitamin A, milk thistle, minerals (esp. zinc, magnesium) are missing

and are pretty important. You may find probiotics very helpful for

GI issues.

> Thanks for any suggestions as to the other findings from the test.

Copper and zinc are on the border of yellow/green. If yellow,

then the test is 1 short of rule 3 and 1 short of rule 4, which

meets counting rule 5. Even if they are green, there are a number

of features that often go with mercury - high aluminum, undetectable

lithium, low cobalt. Certainly not a normal-looking test.

A lithium supplement (5 mg orotate) is advisable. Eliminating

sources of exposure to aluminum, especially dietary, can help

with certain symptoms.

Na/K is low and K/Ca is borderline high - both suggest a thyroid

problem and serum thyroid testing is recommended. Free T3, free T4,

and TSH.

More on hair test interpretation, including case summaries:

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

--

[Guest guest]

: Thanks for the followup post!! It is quite a mystery --

the body and how it functions (or does not). Copper and Zinc and are

just in the green.

I will discuss the results with my alternative MD (she is the one who

believes in the challenge test, but is open to looking at Andy's

book, and helped me order the hair test). I *am* taking probiotics

from Pharmax. They seem well researched and effective (I took two

weeks of their 128 billion packets -- really made a difference).

As an aside, I found this site interesting. As with the printed

results from DDI hair test, the authors suggest follow-up testing on

some of the results to confirm as they feel some elements are poorly

analyzed via this method. Wondering about the lists comments on

these findings.

http://www.nutritional-healing.com.au/content/articles-content.php?

heading=Hair%20analysis%20interpretation

I do have Andy's main book, but not the hair testing. I will

consider.

Blessings and thank you very much.

> >

> > Hair test number 103 (the color bars were dropped during scnaning

on

> > my end)

> > http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/hairtest.html

> >

> >

> > The hair test did not seem to fall into any of the counting

rules. A

> > DDI test four years ago, showed high mercury.

>

>

>

> A DDI hair test with red zone mercury is diagnostic of mercury

> toxicity. If you never chelated (properly), you need to.

>

>

>

>

> Amalgams were removed

> > several years after that (with implants), the last one being

within

> > the last year. I feel my health deteriorated after the implants.

>

>

> I don't know anything about dental implants. You may need to do

> some research to see if these are causing problems and what to

> do about it.

>

>

>

>

> > 1) Current symptoms and medical history;

> >

> > Undiagnosed neurological symtoms, i.e, numbness and tingling in

legs

> > and calf, feeling of

disorientation/dizziness/lightheadedness/trouble

> > concentrating. Fear and anxiety, which was very pronounced, has

been

> > reduced greatly from January of this year when the symptoms

started.

> > Bouts of ulcerative proctitus. My HMO doctor said she did not

know

> > what else she could do for me after doing MRI and other blood

work.

>

>

>

> They should do sufficient testing to give you a diagnosis for the

> neuropathy. It may end up being called " idiopathic " , but at least

> they should try to rule things out.

>

> It's good that the fear and anxiety has improved - I wonder if

> the disorientation/dizziness/etc could be adrenal. You might want

> to check Andy's discussion of adrenal issues in Amalgam Illness.

> Saliva testing is available with or without the help of doctors.

>

>

>

>

> > 2) Supplements; medications and chelating schedule at the time of

hair

> > test;

> >

> > Weekend chelating for the last two months at 25mg DMSA/25-50 MG

ALA.

> > Not sure if I feel better during or after, as things swing back

and

> > forth and seem to have their own rhythm. I'd say I generally

feel

> > worse, but my resting habits change and activity is much less

over

> > the weekend sessions. I do feel great today (Friday am) and I

just

> > started my weekend round and upped the ALA. I wish I could be

more

> > specific.

> >

> > I'm taking a number of Ayurvedic herbs which seems to have calmed

me

> > down considerably. B complex, C complex, vitamin D (was low when

last

> > tested), E, fish oils, L-Arginine/L-Citruline (nitrox oxide

> > production for HBP), L-Gluamine/aloe/licorice root (for GI) IgG

> > formula.

>

>

> Vitamin A, milk thistle, minerals (esp. zinc, magnesium) are

missing

> and are pretty important. You may find probiotics very helpful for

> GI issues.

>

>

>

> > Thanks for any suggestions as to the other findings from the test.

>

>

>

> Copper and zinc are on the border of yellow/green. If yellow,

> then the test is 1 short of rule 3 and 1 short of rule 4, which

> meets counting rule 5. Even if they are green, there are a number

> of features that often go with mercury - high aluminum,

undetectable

> lithium, low cobalt. Certainly not a normal-looking test.

>

> A lithium supplement (5 mg orotate) is advisable. Eliminating

> sources of exposure to aluminum, especially dietary, can help

> with certain symptoms.

>

> Na/K is low and K/Ca is borderline high - both suggest a thyroid

> problem and serum thyroid testing is recommended. Free T3, free

T4,

> and TSH.

>

> More on hair test interpretation, including case summaries:

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

>

> --

>

[Guest guest]

>

> : Thanks for the followup post!! It is quite a mystery --

> the body and how it functions (or does not). Copper and Zinc and are

> just in the green.

I thought they might be. Supplementation often makes the hair test

look more normal. Even so, this is not a normal-looking test when

analyzed using Andy's ideas.

> I will discuss the results with my alternative MD (she is the one who

> believes in the challenge test, but is open to looking at Andy's

> book, and helped me order the hair test). I *am* taking probiotics

> from Pharmax. They seem well researched and effective (I took two

> weeks of their 128 billion packets -- really made a difference).

>

> As an aside, I found this site interesting. As with the printed

> results from DDI hair test, the authors suggest follow-up testing on

> some of the results to confirm as they feel some elements are poorly

> analyzed via this method. Wondering about the lists comments on

> these findings.

>

> http://www.nutritional-healing.com.au/content/articles-content.php?

> heading=Hair%20analysis%20interpretation

Andy's book agrees with some of these points, but not all. The main

difference in Andy's ideas is that mercury deranges mineral transport.

When this happens, many of the toxics and essentials do not reflect

body burden.

> I do have Andy's main book, but not the hair testing. I will

> consider.

If you look at it on Amazon, you can check out the index, the TOC,

and some of the early pages of the book (Preface, Introduction, etc).

--

> Blessings and thank you very much.

>

[Guest guest]

: I did order the book.

The DDI test analysis says that silicon or malic acide and Mg can

lower AL levels (I had the same high AL levels four years ago). Does

this make sense? Not sure how I would be exposed to this element,

though.

Also, I saw something on the book blurb on Amazon about getting rid

of uraninium, which was also high on my test. What does Andy say

about that?

Thanks.

> >

> > : Thanks for the followup post!! It is quite a

mystery --

> > the body and how it functions (or does not). Copper and Zinc and

are

> > just in the green.

>

>

> I thought they might be. Supplementation often makes the hair test

> look more normal. Even so, this is not a normal-looking test when

> analyzed using Andy's ideas.

>

>

>

>

> > I will discuss the results with my alternative MD (she is the one

who

> > believes in the challenge test, but is open to looking at Andy's

> > book, and helped me order the hair test). I *am* taking

probiotics

> > from Pharmax. They seem well researched and effective (I took

two

> > weeks of their 128 billion packets -- really made a difference).

> >

> > As an aside, I found this site interesting. As with the printed

> > results from DDI hair test, the authors suggest follow-up testing

on

> > some of the results to confirm as they feel some elements are

poorly

> > analyzed via this method. Wondering about the lists comments on

> > these findings.

> >

> > http://www.nutritional-healing.com.au/content/articles-

content.php?

> > heading=Hair%20analysis%20interpretation

>

>

> Andy's book agrees with some of these points, but not all. The

main

> difference in Andy's ideas is that mercury deranges mineral

transport.

> When this happens, many of the toxics and essentials do not reflect

> body burden.

>

>

>

>

> > I do have Andy's main book, but not the hair testing. I will

> > consider.

>

>

> If you look at it on Amazon, you can check out the index, the TOC,

> and some of the early pages of the book (Preface, Introduction,

etc).

>

> --

>

>

>

> > Blessings and thank you very much.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > : Thanks for the followup post!! It is quite a

> mystery --

> > > the body and how it functions (or does not). Copper and Zinc and

> are

> > > just in the green.

> >

> >

> > I thought they might be. Supplementation often makes the hair test

> > look more normal. Even so, this is not a normal-looking test when

> > analyzed using Andy's ideas.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > I will discuss the results with my alternative MD (she is the one

> who

> > > believes in the challenge test, but is open to looking at Andy's

> > > book, and helped me order the hair test). I *am* taking

> probiotics

> > > from Pharmax. They seem well researched and effective (I took

> two

> > > weeks of their 128 billion packets -- really made a difference).

> > >

> > > As an aside, I found this site interesting. As with the printed

> > > results from DDI hair test, the authors suggest follow-up testing

> on

> > > some of the results to confirm as they feel some elements are

> poorly

> > > analyzed via this method. Wondering about the lists comments on

> > > these findings.

> > >

> > > http://www.nutritional-healing.com.au/content/articles-

> content.php?

> > > heading=Hair%20analysis%20interpretation

> >

> >

> > Andy's book agrees with some of these points, but not all. The

> main

> > difference in Andy's ideas is that mercury deranges mineral

> transport.

> > When this happens, many of the toxics and essentials do not reflect

> > body burden.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > I do have Andy's main book, but not the hair testing. I will

> > > consider.

> >

> >

> > If you look at it on Amazon, you can check out the index, the TOC,

> > and some of the early pages of the book (Preface, Introduction,

> etc).

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> >

> > > Blessings and thank you very much.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Since my hair test seemed to be borderline, is there a suggestion

about the length of time of stopping supplementation and performing

another hair test to determine if the counting rules are being met?

Thank you.

> >

> > : I did order the book.

> >

> > The DDI test analysis says that silicon or malic acide and Mg can

> > lower AL levels (I had the same high AL levels four years ago).

Does

> > this make sense? Not sure how I would be exposed to this

element,

> > though.

>

>

> Andy says the aluminum will come down on its own when the mercury

> is chelated out. Until then, you can reduce it some and relieve

> symptoms it causes by avoiding exposure - primarily dietary

> sources (processed cheese, baked products with aluminum-containing

> baking soda, aluminum pans can leach into acidic foods,

> antiperspirants (including those crystal kinds), municipal water

> sometimes has aluminum, etc. You can find longer lists with a

> google search.

>

>

>

>

>

> > Also, I saw something on the book blurb on Amazon about getting

rid

> > of uraninium, which was also high on my test. What does Andy say

> > about that?

>

>

> Andy says it comes from the water supply in certain geographical

> areas. It is not usually a problem if it is below .5 mcg/g.

> It can be retained at high levels when a person is iron deficient.

> If it gets above .5, then he recommends taking an iron supplement

> (and that worked for me, got my uranium down from red zone to

> almost green in a few months).

>

> --

>

>

>

>

> > Thanks.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Stopping supplementation would not necessarily make the hair test

meet the counting rules. Not everyone who is mercury toxic meets

the rules. Old exposure or mercury mostly in the brain are less

likely to show up as meeting counting rules.

You had an old DDI hair test with high mercury - that result alone

is diagnostic. You never chelated until now, so I would say you

need to chelate a lot more to get better.

Your recent DDI hair test, although it didn't quite meet the rules,

was very suspicious for mercury.

You have started chelating and you notice you feel worse, which is

strongly indicative that you are moving mercury. People who are

not toxic do not get symptoms when they take chelators.

Feeling worse is not good, of course...

I would recommend reducing your dose if you are feeling worse since

starting. Most people start with lower doses - 12.5 mg is a good

starting dose. 50 mg ALA is quite high for most people and will

move a lot of mercury. I would back off to the doses you used when

you first started, or even more, to a dose that is relatively

comfortable. Going too fast can cause problems. I'm sorry I didn't

pick up on this before, but looking back over your previous messages

led me to notice your doses.

--

> > >

> > > : I did order the book.

> > >

> > > The DDI test analysis says that silicon or malic acide and Mg can

> > > lower AL levels (I had the same high AL levels four years ago).

> Does

> > > this make sense? Not sure how I would be exposed to this

> element,

> > > though.

> >

> >

> > Andy says the aluminum will come down on its own when the mercury

> > is chelated out. Until then, you can reduce it some and relieve

> > symptoms it causes by avoiding exposure - primarily dietary

> > sources (processed cheese, baked products with aluminum-containing

> > baking soda, aluminum pans can leach into acidic foods,

> > antiperspirants (including those crystal kinds), municipal water

> > sometimes has aluminum, etc. You can find longer lists with a

> > google search.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Also, I saw something on the book blurb on Amazon about getting

> rid

> > > of uraninium, which was also high on my test. What does Andy say

> > > about that?

> >

> >

> > Andy says it comes from the water supply in certain geographical

> > areas. It is not usually a problem if it is below .5 mcg/g.

> > It can be retained at high levels when a person is iron deficient.

> > If it gets above .5, then he recommends taking an iron supplement

> > (and that worked for me, got my uranium down from red zone to

> > almost green in a few months).

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > >

>