Re: Want to Start ALA chelation need help/advice.

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> Hey everybody,

>

> Long story short I've been on DMPS and DMSA 3x a day for 3 days with

> 11 days off. No frequent chelation. The DMPS was 150mg tablets and

> the DMSA was 270mg. Both were the same protocol.

>

> During the first chelation (DMPS) my tongue turned yellow and has

> stayed that way since. I've also had a ton of increasing food

> allergies with leaky gut problems as shown by a lactulose/mannitol

> test.

>

> Now, I'm not sure how much mercury was removed with the first two

> drugs which I finished in Dec. '06.

>

> Now I'm worried my gut is not going to heal because of displaced

> mercury. Is this likely?

Your gut won't heal until you chelate a certain amount of mercury out

properly.

You also have to supply the raw materials that your body needs to heal

in the way of foods and supplements.

>Is this keeping my tongue yellow?

I don't know.

> I've

> also had a stool test and a blood test which showed " negative " for

> candida,

>but it did show my good bacteria was low,

which means that you need to supply lots of good bacteria - probiotics

> and the neutral

> was high, for instance the e. coli one. But no dysbiosis bacteria

> (the bad kind).

>

> So I'm a bit confused, if I should chelate with ALA using Andy's

> protocol? Is it worth it?

If you don't chelate with Andy's protocol you will never get better,

so yes it's worth it.

I would start with low dose DMPS first and once you have found the

right dose of DMPS add ALA and chelate with both DMPS and ALA.

> Will help my gut heal?

Removing the mercury properly with Andy's protocol will help your gut

to heal. You will still need to give your body lots of support during

chelation, in the form of diet and supplements. Support strategies

are all outlined in Andy's " Amalgam Illness " book. Have you looked at

that yet?

> I'm worried that

> doing chelation again will open up a can of worms like it did

> before.

What you did before is what Andy calls " inappropriate harmful "

chelation. There is no reason to think that proper chelation will

give results similar to what happens with inappropriate harmful chelation.

Just think about the logistics of it for a moment. When you took 150

mg DMPS and 270 mg DMSA what happened was a large amount of metals

were stirred up, so much that no one could possibly excrete it all, so

most of it resettled somewhere else, and that happened with every

single dose that you took.

When you chelate with Andy's protocol you will be using about 1/10 or

1/20 the dose so that the amount of metal that is stirred up can be

excreted and you will be taking the doses at the half life so that the

metals will keep moving during the entire chelation round.

It's like the difference between night and day. Think of any other

drug and what would happen if you took 10 or 20 times as much as you

were supposed to.

The trick with chelating on Andy's protocol is to find the right dose.

When chelators move mercury there are side effects. When the side

effects are too severe that means the dose is too high. The dose is

lowered until the side effects are manageable. There will be a dose

at which there are no side effects. What you do is start low - 12.5

mg - and if there are any problems you lower the dose to say 5 mg.

It will be more difficult to chelate now because of the damage that

was done by improper chelation but the only way to fix the damage is

to chelate properly.

> I'm trying to get a career going here and don't want to get

> my health derailed again. (i'm 24yr old male).

>

The choice is something like either leave the mercury in your body or

take it out.

The good news is that with this group and Andy's books you have found

the right way to take it out. Chelation with Andy's protocol makes a

person feel better if they are doing it properly, as compared to how

they would feel without chelation. You are young so will heal fast.

It's your responsibility to read and educate yourself to make sure

that you do it properly this time.

> So, if I do decide to do this I was going to start with the 12.5mg

> ALA every 3 hours, 3 days on, 4 days off. Does this sound okay?

> And what should I expect when doing this?

>

If I was you I would start with 12.5 mg DMPS just like TK suggests in

what he has written in the files section. If side effects are too

extreme lower the dose. Once you are comfortable and have chelated

with DMPS for several rounds I would add ALA. It's hard to say but

you might need to start with a dose of 5 mg ALA because of the damage

that was done the first time.

I would also study Andy's books and make sure that you are giving your

body the proper diet and supplements to heal.

> I'm just paranoid I'm going to make myself worse, or my gut/leaky

> gut worse by doing this. But on the other hand my tongue is wacked

> and I know my gut isn't where it should be, and I'm rotating a ton

> of foods every 4 days to try and avoid any new food allergies.

> Other than that, I'm able to work out, etc.

>

There are a couple of practitioners mentioned in the links or files

section if you are too paranoid to start on your own.

> I was also thinking about taking Modifilan on top of that.

>

I recommend forgetting about modifilan. It will likely worsen your

symptoms. It's a waste of time and money imo.

It's not part of protocol here, so if you want to read of others

experiences with it search the archives in other groups.

> If anyone could offer advice/info I would greatly appreciate it.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> ps. I almost forgot that my doc had me do a liver/gallbladder

> cleanse in March '07 which completely destroyed my liver, raising

> the enzymes, etc.

Have you learned to question doctor's opinions yet?

> This finally started getting better after taking

> milk thistle. I was curious, if the first rounds of DMPS and DMSA

> dumped mercury into my liver?

Yes, and lots of other places too.

> Thus when I did the flush it released

> the mercury, damaging it?

The flush put a lot of stress on a liver that was suffering. Be kind

to your liver. Stop giving it the things that it doesn't want and

start giving it what it wants.

J

> I just thought of this the other day

> after reading how mercury can be redistributed.

>

> Sorry for the long post.

>

[Guest guest]

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Thank you for the reply.

I wanted to get back to you regarding the DMPS. I probably won't be

able to do that again because of the cost. It's just too expensive

at this present time due to the countless medical bills I've racked

up over the past 2 years. If I can't do the DMPS, is it okay to add

DMSA instead, with the ALA?

Also, what if I just decide to do ALA by itself. When you speak of

the damage that was done, it seems to me it basically affected my

gut and digestive process. How would doing ALA affect that by

itself if I just chose that specific chelator?

Also, the reason I mentioned my career was if you thought I should

wait until I get hired, then once my job is stable I would do the

chelation. Or do it now? I was just concerned it would knock me

down to where my ill-health would affect my ability to get hired.

lastly, should I do another hair element test before I start a

chelation to see where the metals are? I did 1 originally and it

showed Mercury way in the red, over 6.something I believe. I didn't

seem to have the mineral problems that show mercury toxicity,

because my mercury levels were already high by themselves. I

haven't done another one since the DMPS and DMSA so maybe I should

check it out? Is doctor's data the best for that? I think they

said it's $109 for the test.

Thanks again

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> ,

>

> Thank you for the reply.

>

> I wanted to get back to you regarding the DMPS. I probably won't be

> able to do that again because of the cost. It's just too expensive

> at this present time due to the countless medical bills I've racked

> up over the past 2 years. If I can't do the DMPS, is it okay to add

> DMSA instead, with the ALA?

>

Yes, DMSA can be used instead of DMPS but the dosing schedule is

different. DMSA is dosed on a 4-hr schedule, but can be changed to

3-hr dosing when combined with ALA.

> Also, what if I just decide to do ALA by itself. When you speak of

> the damage that was done, it seems to me it basically affected my

> gut and digestive process. How would doing ALA affect that by

> itself if I just chose that specific chelator?

>

It really depends on how much body burden of mercury you have. If you

have a lot of mercury in your blood and organs, then you need to

reduce that BEFORE you take ALA. ALA crosses the blood-brain-barrier,

which is why you want it to remove mercury from the brain. BUT if you

have more mercury in the body than in the brain it's possible the ALA

will move it INTO the brain. Not the result you want. I think that

having a hair test that showed high red mercury indicates a high body

burden.

Even though the really high doses of DMPS and DMSA that you took

caused a lot of problems, they could neither of them redistribute the

mercury into your brain. Taking ALA could change that.

I'm speaking somewhat from personal experience. I was taking ALA

as an anti-oxidant while I still had amalgams... and I lost a LOT of

cognitive ability as a result of moving the mercury into my brain.

Now I have cognitive problems, as well as endocrine and CNS problems.

I STRONGLY advise you to avoid redistributing your mercury into your

brain.

> Also, the reason I mentioned my career was if you thought I should

> wait until I get hired, then once my job is stable I would do the

> chelation. Or do it now? I was just concerned it would knock me

> down to where my ill-health would affect my ability to get hired.

>

> lastly, should I do another hair element test before I start a

> chelation to see where the metals are? I did 1 originally and it

> showed Mercury way in the red, over 6.something I believe. I didn't

> seem to have the mineral problems that show mercury toxicity,

> because my mercury levels were already high by themselves. I

> haven't done another one since the DMPS and DMSA so maybe I should

> check it out? Is doctor's data the best for that? I think they

> said it's $109 for the test.

>

Well, based on your past test and your present symptoms, you already

know that you are mercury toxic. If money is tight, wouldn't it make

more sense to spend the $109 on DMSA and other supplements and

chelating properly according to Andy's protocol?

> Thanks again

>

>

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Sorry, I missed this post. I mostly agree with what yankeeexile said.

Just a couple of comments.

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> ,

>

> Thank you for the reply.

>

> I wanted to get back to you regarding the DMPS. I probably won't be

> able to do that again because of the cost. It's just too expensive

> at this present time due to the countless medical bills I've racked

> up over the past 2 years. If I can't do the DMPS, is it okay to add

> DMSA instead, with the ALA?

>

Yes. DMSA alone at 4 h intervals or DMSA and ALA at 3 h intervals.

You will need to start with very low doses.

The reasons I suggested DMPS are because it is supposed to be easy on

the gut and by dosing at 6-8 h intervals it can be taken for very long

rounds with very little redistribution. It was perfect for me to

reduce my body burden before introducing ALA. Because you would need

such little doses I would think that you could use less that $500.00

worth of DMPS and then carry on with ALA alone (just a guess).

> Also, what if I just decide to do ALA by itself. When you speak of

> the damage that was done, it seems to me it basically affected my

> gut and digestive process. How would doing ALA affect that by

> itself if I just chose that specific chelator?

>

I think that it would be ok if you use doses that are small enough and

stick with taking it at 3 h intervals or more frequently. Andy would

be better to talk to because he has spoken with people who have had

problems similar to yours.

One of the biggest mistakes people make is to start with doses that

are too high and then to increase too soon.

Also, you will need to take special dietary and supplement measures to

protect your gut and digestive system.

> Also, the reason I mentioned my career was if you thought I should

> wait until I get hired, then once my job is stable I would do the

> chelation. Or do it now? I was just concerned it would knock me

> down to where my ill-health would affect my ability to get hired.

>

If chelation is knocking a person down it isn't being done properly.

With proper chelation, and trouble shooting, a person starts feeling

better.

Proper chelation is a long term process, so it would be good to get

started. It will take some time just to learn how to support your

body properly and how to chelate properly. Do lots of reading so that

you don't hurt yourself again.

> lastly, should I do another hair element test before I start a

> chelation to see where the metals are? I did 1 originally and it

> showed Mercury way in the red, over 6.something I believe. I didn't

> seem to have the mineral problems that show mercury toxicity,

> because my mercury levels were already high by themselves. I

> haven't done another one since the DMPS and DMSA so maybe I should

> check it out? Is doctor's data the best for that? I think they

> said it's $109 for the test.

>

You already know that you are toxic. I don't see a need for another

test. If you suspect adrenal problems you could get a 4x per day

saliva test, or maybe ACTH and cortisol before and after exercise. If

you suspect thyroid problems you could test free T3, free T4 and anti

thyroid antibodies.

Good luck

> Thanks again

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