Re: Long, but please help! Two months after clerance and still not feeling good

[Guest guest]

I would get a serum ACTH in the AM close to 8AM. If your ACTH is going

high due to low cortiosl, it could be stimulating too much aldosterone.

If it si normal to low thta is a good thing and means you need to

continue weaning. The high pulse is very odd wiht no more T3 than you

are on and good sodium levels.

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[Guest guest]

I would get a serum ACTH in the AM close to 8AM. If your ACTH is going

high due to low cortiosl, it could be stimulating too much aldosterone.

If it si normal to low thta is a good thing and means you need to

continue weaning. The high pulse is very odd wiht no more T3 than you

are on and good sodium levels.

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[Guest guest]

I would get a serum ACTH in the AM close to 8AM. If your ACTH is going

high due to low cortiosl, it could be stimulating too much aldosterone.

If it si normal to low thta is a good thing and means you need to

continue weaning. The high pulse is very odd wiht no more T3 than you

are on and good sodium levels.

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[Guest guest]

This were my electrolite values last week (I am supplementing 1200 and sea

salt):

Sodium: 145 mEq/L (135-155)

Potassium 4.2 mEq/L (3.5-5)

So I guess they are O.K.

I just wonder what could be causing high heart rate. My heart rate has never

been low, even when I didn't treat thyroid it was ususally around 80.

Temperatures are now highish. The higher temps I have are 98.9, occasionally

99.2, post-ovulation at midday. Before ovulation midday temps are around 98.6.

Basals haven't been very high, the highest pre-ovulation has been 97.8 and the

hhigest post-ovulation 98.4.

and this was free T3 two weeks ago:

Free T3 : 4.65 pmol/L (2.63-5.7)

(11,30 hours after last T3 dose)

I don't know if I could be hyper with these temps, labs and fast heart rate?

Lately I have cramps in my legs, so I was considering whether low magnesium

could cause both this and fast heart rate (serum Magnesium tested low, but

within range though)

By the way I forgot to say that testosterone also came out low in the latest

labs, about 1 month ago:

testosterone: 0.04 ng/ml (0.3-7)

free testosterone: 0.86 pg/ml (range less than 2.6)

So far I am not supplementing because I haven't been able to ask my doctor for a

prescrition yet.

Many thanks,

P.S. I will test serum ACTH, I guess this will give me a clue about what to do

with cortisol.

> I would get a serum ACTH in the AM close to 8AM. If your ACTH is going

> high due to low cortiosl, it could be stimulating too much aldosterone.

> If it si normal to low thta is a good thing and means you need to

> continue weaning. The high pulse is very odd wiht no more T3 than you

> are on and good sodium levels.

>

> --

>

[Guest guest]

This were my electrolite values last week (I am supplementing 1200 and sea

salt):

Sodium: 145 mEq/L (135-155)

Potassium 4.2 mEq/L (3.5-5)

So I guess they are O.K.

I just wonder what could be causing high heart rate. My heart rate has never

been low, even when I didn't treat thyroid it was ususally around 80.

Temperatures are now highish. The higher temps I have are 98.9, occasionally

99.2, post-ovulation at midday. Before ovulation midday temps are around 98.6.

Basals haven't been very high, the highest pre-ovulation has been 97.8 and the

hhigest post-ovulation 98.4.

and this was free T3 two weeks ago:

Free T3 : 4.65 pmol/L (2.63-5.7)

(11,30 hours after last T3 dose)

I don't know if I could be hyper with these temps, labs and fast heart rate?

Lately I have cramps in my legs, so I was considering whether low magnesium

could cause both this and fast heart rate (serum Magnesium tested low, but

within range though)

By the way I forgot to say that testosterone also came out low in the latest

labs, about 1 month ago:

testosterone: 0.04 ng/ml (0.3-7)

free testosterone: 0.86 pg/ml (range less than 2.6)

So far I am not supplementing because I haven't been able to ask my doctor for a

prescrition yet.

Many thanks,

P.S. I will test serum ACTH, I guess this will give me a clue about what to do

with cortisol.

> I would get a serum ACTH in the AM close to 8AM. If your ACTH is going

> high due to low cortiosl, it could be stimulating too much aldosterone.

> If it si normal to low thta is a good thing and means you need to

> continue weaning. The high pulse is very odd wiht no more T3 than you

> are on and good sodium levels.

>

> --

>

[Guest guest]

This were my electrolite values last week (I am supplementing 1200 and sea

salt):

Sodium: 145 mEq/L (135-155)

Potassium 4.2 mEq/L (3.5-5)

So I guess they are O.K.

I just wonder what could be causing high heart rate. My heart rate has never

been low, even when I didn't treat thyroid it was ususally around 80.

Temperatures are now highish. The higher temps I have are 98.9, occasionally

99.2, post-ovulation at midday. Before ovulation midday temps are around 98.6.

Basals haven't been very high, the highest pre-ovulation has been 97.8 and the

hhigest post-ovulation 98.4.

and this was free T3 two weeks ago:

Free T3 : 4.65 pmol/L (2.63-5.7)

(11,30 hours after last T3 dose)

I don't know if I could be hyper with these temps, labs and fast heart rate?

Lately I have cramps in my legs, so I was considering whether low magnesium

could cause both this and fast heart rate (serum Magnesium tested low, but

within range though)

By the way I forgot to say that testosterone also came out low in the latest

labs, about 1 month ago:

testosterone: 0.04 ng/ml (0.3-7)

free testosterone: 0.86 pg/ml (range less than 2.6)

So far I am not supplementing because I haven't been able to ask my doctor for a

prescrition yet.

Many thanks,

P.S. I will test serum ACTH, I guess this will give me a clue about what to do

with cortisol.

> I would get a serum ACTH in the AM close to 8AM. If your ACTH is going

> high due to low cortiosl, it could be stimulating too much aldosterone.

> If it si normal to low thta is a good thing and means you need to

> continue weaning. The high pulse is very odd wiht no more T3 than you

> are on and good sodium levels.

>

> --

>

[Guest guest]

I would try some magnesium, I do nto think this is hyper. How is your

iron? Have you done a full iron panel?

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[Guest guest]

I would try some magnesium, I do nto think this is hyper. How is your

iron? Have you done a full iron panel?

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[Guest guest]

I would try some magnesium, I do nto think this is hyper. How is your

iron? Have you done a full iron panel?

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[Guest guest]

monica - I am no expert but someone wrote here a couple of days ago that an

unbalanced aldosterone caused him high pulse. I remember this because my HR is

constently high, and I wrote it down to check aldosterone levels and a possible

reason.

I is a very discouraging thing to me, to read about someone that doesn't feel

better even after clearence. I am so tired of being tired, so I tell myself that

in 6 weeks maybe I will feel normal and young again. Reading your posts forces

me to understand that maybe this will not be the case for me, as it hasn't been

for you. Hope that with Val's guidence things will improve for you...hang in

there.

Ariela

>

> I would try some magnesium, I do nto think this is hyper. How is your

> iron? Have you done a full iron panel?

>

> --

>

> http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://faqhelp.webs.com/

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

[Guest guest]

monica - I am no expert but someone wrote here a couple of days ago that an

unbalanced aldosterone caused him high pulse. I remember this because my HR is

constently high, and I wrote it down to check aldosterone levels and a possible

reason.

I is a very discouraging thing to me, to read about someone that doesn't feel

better even after clearence. I am so tired of being tired, so I tell myself that

in 6 weeks maybe I will feel normal and young again. Reading your posts forces

me to understand that maybe this will not be the case for me, as it hasn't been

for you. Hope that with Val's guidence things will improve for you...hang in

there.

Ariela

>

> I would try some magnesium, I do nto think this is hyper. How is your

> iron? Have you done a full iron panel?

>

> --

>

> http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://faqhelp.webs.com/

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

[Guest guest]

monica - I am no expert but someone wrote here a couple of days ago that an

unbalanced aldosterone caused him high pulse. I remember this because my HR is

constently high, and I wrote it down to check aldosterone levels and a possible

reason.

I is a very discouraging thing to me, to read about someone that doesn't feel

better even after clearence. I am so tired of being tired, so I tell myself that

in 6 weeks maybe I will feel normal and young again. Reading your posts forces

me to understand that maybe this will not be the case for me, as it hasn't been

for you. Hope that with Val's guidence things will improve for you...hang in

there.

Ariela

>

> I would try some magnesium, I do nto think this is hyper. How is your

> iron? Have you done a full iron panel?

>

> --

>

> http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://faqhelp.webs.com/

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

[Guest guest]

Ferritin was 120 one month ago (had been supplementing iron for a while but I

stopped iron several days before testing), but I have never done a full iron

panel. I will.

I'll come back with those tests done in a few days. And also will try magnesium.

Many thanks,

> I would try some magnesium, I do nto think this is hyper. How is your

> iron? Have you done a full iron panel?

>

> --

>

[Guest guest]

Ferritin was 120 one month ago (had been supplementing iron for a while but I

stopped iron several days before testing), but I have never done a full iron

panel. I will.

I'll come back with those tests done in a few days. And also will try magnesium.

Many thanks,

> I would try some magnesium, I do nto think this is hyper. How is your

> iron? Have you done a full iron panel?

>

> --

>

[Guest guest]

Ferritin was 120 one month ago (had been supplementing iron for a while but I

stopped iron several days before testing), but I have never done a full iron

panel. I will.

I'll come back with those tests done in a few days. And also will try magnesium.

Many thanks,

> I would try some magnesium, I do nto think this is hyper. How is your

> iron? Have you done a full iron panel?

>

> --

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ariela, thanks.

Yes, I read the post and the whole tread. I think the person you mentioned had

low aldosterone and supplemented with Florinef. Mine is quite high though, well

above the upper limit of the range, so not sure what to do about that. Haven't

seen any suggestions about how to lower it anywhere. For now I will test ACTH as

Val has suggested and we'll see if that tells us something.

I am sorry my post discouraged you... I understand you very well because I am

also terrified this will not work for me. If it is of any help I can tell you

that I noticed clearance very well (a bit more than two months ago), since at

the end of week 11 my temps rose very noticeably and I stopped (immediately) to

lose weight (I was loosing weigh very quickly the three months on T3 before

clearance, to the point of getting too thin). I also started to feel very

different symptoms (can't say they were better, but were different for sure ).

However apart from this, I am having great difficulties finding some sort of

balance. Some days I feel quite good, but then others I see no clear

improvement.

I also get really discouraged sometimes, I have been two years on this " thyroid

adventure " and I am starting to get really tired of fighting. But, what else can

I do than continue fighting?!

Good luck to you too!

[Guest guest]

Hi Ariela, thanks.

Yes, I read the post and the whole tread. I think the person you mentioned had

low aldosterone and supplemented with Florinef. Mine is quite high though, well

above the upper limit of the range, so not sure what to do about that. Haven't

seen any suggestions about how to lower it anywhere. For now I will test ACTH as

Val has suggested and we'll see if that tells us something.

I am sorry my post discouraged you... I understand you very well because I am

also terrified this will not work for me. If it is of any help I can tell you

that I noticed clearance very well (a bit more than two months ago), since at

the end of week 11 my temps rose very noticeably and I stopped (immediately) to

lose weight (I was loosing weigh very quickly the three months on T3 before

clearance, to the point of getting too thin). I also started to feel very

different symptoms (can't say they were better, but were different for sure ).

However apart from this, I am having great difficulties finding some sort of

balance. Some days I feel quite good, but then others I see no clear

improvement.

I also get really discouraged sometimes, I have been two years on this " thyroid

adventure " and I am starting to get really tired of fighting. But, what else can

I do than continue fighting?!

Good luck to you too!

[Guest guest]

Hi Ariela, thanks.

Yes, I read the post and the whole tread. I think the person you mentioned had

low aldosterone and supplemented with Florinef. Mine is quite high though, well

above the upper limit of the range, so not sure what to do about that. Haven't

seen any suggestions about how to lower it anywhere. For now I will test ACTH as

Val has suggested and we'll see if that tells us something.

I am sorry my post discouraged you... I understand you very well because I am

also terrified this will not work for me. If it is of any help I can tell you

that I noticed clearance very well (a bit more than two months ago), since at

the end of week 11 my temps rose very noticeably and I stopped (immediately) to

lose weight (I was loosing weigh very quickly the three months on T3 before

clearance, to the point of getting too thin). I also started to feel very

different symptoms (can't say they were better, but were different for sure ).

However apart from this, I am having great difficulties finding some sort of

balance. Some days I feel quite good, but then others I see no clear

improvement.

I also get really discouraged sometimes, I have been two years on this " thyroid

adventure " and I am starting to get really tired of fighting. But, what else can

I do than continue fighting?!

Good luck to you too!

[Guest guest]

You see, this lab already gave me a mistaken result: T4 above range after

clearance!!!!, you may (or may not! with so many people) remember... I was so

upset!

So, I wouldn't be so surprised if this was also a mistake. I will test again (in

another lab!!!), but unfortunately I will have to wait for a few days because I

am at the beginning of the luteal phase.

Two questions:

1) I am supplementing potassium and sodium. I understand I have to stop the

sodium for 24 hours but, should I also stop potassium supplementation?

2) This is just wild speculation (since I don't know if the labs from two months

ago are correct) but as you see below, renin was very low. If the renin result

was correct and the aldosterone turns out to be low (as I said too much

speculation!) would it mean that I have hipopituitarism? That has nothing to do

with adrenal fatigue then, right??

So, many, many thanks for all your suggestions,

>

> High aldosterone absolutely causes high BP. I would think this wa lab

> error as the ranges are not even near any I have seen and I have seen

> alot of aldosterone testing. Usually you ned o do it the first 2 days of

> your menstrual cycle, and salt fast 24 hours before the test. Take it

> sitting and make certain you are up at least 2 hours before the test

> andget it as close ot 8 AM as oyu can.

>

> --

>

>

[Guest guest]

It should not affect the test but to keep electrolytes better balanced

it migh tnot be a bad idea to stop both.

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[Guest guest]

I apologize for insisting without really having new data yet but I wanted to

comment what the people from the laboratory have told me... (also I have changed

the units of the labs to the ones commonly used here)

They have said that the aldosterone and rening tests were not done in their

laboratory, but sent to a suposedly very good laboratory eleswhere. Because of

that, and because the suposed coherence between the aldosterone (high) and renin

(low) results they don't think these data are a mistake...

So, please have another look at these labs and tell me if they make sense at

all:

Labs were done two months ago, when on 30 HC and 75 Cynomel, just after

clearance.

Sodium: 138.0 mEq/L (135-145)

Potassium: 3.96 mEq/L (3.5-5)

Aldosterone: 30.9 ng/dl (1-10.5); 309 pg/ml (10-105)

Renin: 4.7 ng/dl (4-19); 0.47 ng/mL/h (0.4-1.9)

Just to add another thing I have mentioned in previous post Magnesium was 1.9

mg/dl (1.6-2.6)

I don't have any BP data from those particular days, but I have never ever in my

life had high blood pressure, and recently it is quite low (100/60 or lower). My

pulse has never been low either, not even when I was untreated for hypo (was

about 80). Now I am on 15 HC and 62.5 Cynomel and have lowish blood pressure and

high pulse (100 or more most of the time; it is lower when I wake up (80-95) and

I am still in bed, but goes up as son as I start moving around).

Many thanks,

P.S. I will re-test as soon as I can, together with the other suggested labs...

>

> High aldosterone absolutely causes high BP. I would think this wa lab

> error as the ranges are not even near any I have seen and I have seen

> alot of aldosterone testing.

[Guest guest]

I apologize for insisting without really having new data yet but I wanted to

comment what the people from the laboratory have told me... (also I have changed

the units of the labs to the ones commonly used here)

They have said that the aldosterone and rening tests were not done in their

laboratory, but sent to a suposedly very good laboratory eleswhere. Because of

that, and because the suposed coherence between the aldosterone (high) and renin

(low) results they don't think these data are a mistake...

So, please have another look at these labs and tell me if they make sense at

all:

Labs were done two months ago, when on 30 HC and 75 Cynomel, just after

clearance.

Sodium: 138.0 mEq/L (135-145)

Potassium: 3.96 mEq/L (3.5-5)

Aldosterone: 30.9 ng/dl (1-10.5); 309 pg/ml (10-105)

Renin: 4.7 ng/dl (4-19); 0.47 ng/mL/h (0.4-1.9)

Just to add another thing I have mentioned in previous post Magnesium was 1.9

mg/dl (1.6-2.6)

I don't have any BP data from those particular days, but I have never ever in my

life had high blood pressure, and recently it is quite low (100/60 or lower). My

pulse has never been low either, not even when I was untreated for hypo (was

about 80). Now I am on 15 HC and 62.5 Cynomel and have lowish blood pressure and

high pulse (100 or more most of the time; it is lower when I wake up (80-95) and

I am still in bed, but goes up as son as I start moving around).

Many thanks,

P.S. I will re-test as soon as I can, together with the other suggested labs...

>

> High aldosterone absolutely causes high BP. I would think this wa lab

> error as the ranges are not even near any I have seen and I have seen

> alot of aldosterone testing.

[Guest guest]

I apologize for insisting without really having new data yet but I wanted to

comment what the people from the laboratory have told me... (also I have changed

the units of the labs to the ones commonly used here)

They have said that the aldosterone and rening tests were not done in their

laboratory, but sent to a suposedly very good laboratory eleswhere. Because of

that, and because the suposed coherence between the aldosterone (high) and renin

(low) results they don't think these data are a mistake...

So, please have another look at these labs and tell me if they make sense at

all:

Labs were done two months ago, when on 30 HC and 75 Cynomel, just after

clearance.

Sodium: 138.0 mEq/L (135-145)

Potassium: 3.96 mEq/L (3.5-5)

Aldosterone: 30.9 ng/dl (1-10.5); 309 pg/ml (10-105)

Renin: 4.7 ng/dl (4-19); 0.47 ng/mL/h (0.4-1.9)

Just to add another thing I have mentioned in previous post Magnesium was 1.9

mg/dl (1.6-2.6)

I don't have any BP data from those particular days, but I have never ever in my

life had high blood pressure, and recently it is quite low (100/60 or lower). My

pulse has never been low either, not even when I was untreated for hypo (was

about 80). Now I am on 15 HC and 62.5 Cynomel and have lowish blood pressure and

high pulse (100 or more most of the time; it is lower when I wake up (80-95) and

I am still in bed, but goes up as son as I start moving around).

Many thanks,

P.S. I will re-test as soon as I can, together with the other suggested labs...

>

> High aldosterone absolutely causes high BP. I would think this wa lab

> error as the ranges are not even near any I have seen and I have seen

> alot of aldosterone testing.

[Guest guest]

I didn't change the ranges the lab gave, only the units. Is this then a normal

value I shouldn't worry about?

Many thanks for your patience, Val,

>

> Sodium: 138.0 mEq/L (135-145)

> Potassium: 3.96 mEq/L (3.5-5)

> Aldosterone: 30.9 ng/dl (1-10.5); 309 pg/ml (10-105)

> Renin: 4.7 ng/dl (4-19); 0.47 ng/mL/h (0.4-1.9)

>

> Actually this is NOT thew correct range for aldosterone we have here , here it

is 4-31 which would put you high normal.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I would still redo the test done properly wiht salt fasting.

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