Re: labrix clinical test result on sex hormons and cortisol level, pls help with

January 25, 2008

This result i have just received.

TSH 0.01 range (0.4-4.0)was 1.33 in 07/16/07

Free T4 1.27 range (0.70-1.48) was 0.86

T3 3.06 (58-159) was 78

I was on Nature-thyroid since end of november, started with 1/2 grain

till 2 grains, on 2 grains now for a long time.Also bc my progesteron

is low i am taking 1 tab progesteron at night right now till my

period will come. When my adrenl saliva test came in it showed very

low cortisol level especially at night. So my ND gave me HC 5mg Er

caps, and said take 5 mg in the morning, 5mg at noon , and 5mg at

4pm.

So, bc i just receive this TSH result i have got scared about how T3

is low and TSH is low(mean my thyroid wnt hyper?)too. What is going

on? what my ND doing wrong. He said do not take anymore 2 grains of

thyroid, take only one evry other day, and don't take HC right now.He

explained me that thyroid started to work and thats why it is now

hyper, but he coudnot gave answer with T3 low level.

Today in the morning i decided to start HC 5 mg in the morning only

for 3 days and see. Am i doing right or harm actually bc of disobeing

doctor? Everybody said we should take small ammount as 2.5mg, but i

have 5MG. If it is ok to start wiht 5mg instedd? Or i should notto

take HC at all with low TSH? Or what i should do? Do i need still to

take thyroid every day with HC and slowly elevate dose? What is your

opinion? I am sorry fo my English, i am trying, if u need more info i

can give it to you. If u whould help me with this cituation?

Below i have some results you can look at.

Thank you for u time.

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " ehelm63 "

wrote:

>

> I have got my adrenal saliva test

>

> cortisol morning 12.4(5.1 - 40.2)with range

> cortisol noon 2.3 (2.1 -15.7 )with range

> cortisol evening 0.9 (1.8 - 12.1) low

> cortisol night 0.3 (0.9 - 9.2) low

> The diurnal cortisol pattern, together with reported syptoms is

> consistent with evolving adrenal gland fatigue(hypoadrenia), though

> concomitant hypothyroid and/or iodine unsufficiency can not be

ruled

> out.

> My doc gave me adrenal boost suppl it has vit c -100mg, vit b6-40mg

> (pyridoxine HCI) and pantothenic Acid 1,000 mg.

> I want to know what i have ? just adrenal fatigue? do the suppl

will

> help them or i need to take cortef and how much - dose?My doc said

my

> adrenals ok morning and afternoon, but at night they crashed.

> and do i have insufficiency of iodin or? i am not sure what it said

> on test result?

> also i am lo on DHEA too, as u can see down below saliva test. and

i

> taking progesteron tab every night till my period come. It is

correct

> regimen? i have heard first i need to take care og adrenal, when my

> hashi's and when sex hormons will fall in to right place? What

shuld

> i tell my doc? thank you for your time.

>

> In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " ehelm63 "

> <ehelm63@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > hi there, here is my saliva test

> > >

> > > estradiol 4.8 within range (1.0-10.8 )

> > > progesteron 120.9 low (127-446 luteal )

> > > ratio of Pg/E2 25.1{PROGESTERON TO ESTRADIOL) estrogen dominance

> > > testosteron 48.1 within range (6.0 - 49 )

> > > DHEA 418.3 high (106- 300)

> > >

> > > 1.Progesteron therapy my prove to be breast, bone, and heart

> > > protective due to estrogen domimance.

> > > 2.The high DHEA is consistent with metabolic syndrome (insulin

> > > resistance) or excessive supplementation. Fasting blood sugar

and

> > > insulin levels may be warranted.

> > >

> > > That is result. I understood that my progesteron is low and

DHEA

> is

> > > to high. right? So , i need to take progesteron tabl right, but

> how

> > > to knowabout DHEA what suppl are excessive. I am takin lot of

> them

> > > how to figur out which one? I am takin multi, b-complex,

> > > adrenallboost, selenium, fish oil, coconut oil, folic

> acid,protein

> > > powder, naturthyroid,enzymes. I have thyroiditis.

> > > very soon i will get adrenal salive test back too. My doc

didn't

> > say

> > > anything about DHEA , i mean, what to do about that... is this

a

> > > problem? or not ...Pls, if someone can explain better . Thank

you

> > for

> > > your time.

> > >

> >

>

January 25, 2008

Do you feel hyper? Your labs do not look hyper to me. He is probably right

that HC is helping the thyroid but wrongly advising you on stopping HC and

doing Armour every other day. Your labs show you need more T3, a LOT more.

And you have to continue to take the HC. You have adrenal insufficiency.

As far as doses of HC and what to do about the thyroid, I am going to let

chime in tomorrow but you aren't just low at night, you are low

overall. Your morning looks a little low for the ranges and your noon is

border low too. All four totaled up puts you under range. I think you are on

too low of a dose of HC and I would increase it but wait for 's input

on this one for specific doses.

Your English is fine. You just want to trim your posts more.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

This result i have just received.

TSH 0.01 range (0.4-4.0)was 1.33 in 07/16/07

Free T4 1.27 range (0.70-1.48) was 0.86

T3 3.06 (58-159) was 78

cortisol morning 12.4(5.1 - 40.2)with range

cortisol noon 2.3 (2.1 -15.7 )with range

cortisol evening 0.9 (1.8 - 12.1) low

cortisol night 0.3 (0.9 - 9.2) low

The diurnal cortisol pattern, together with reported symptoms is

consistent with evolving adrenal gland fatigue(hypoadrenia), though

concomitant hypothyroid and/or iodine insufficiency can not be

ruled out.

also i am lo on DHEA too.

I was on Nature-thyroid since end of november, started with 1/2 grain

till 2 grains, on 2 grains now for a long time.Also bc my progesteron

is low i am taking 1 tab progesteron at night right now till my

period will come. When my adrenl saliva test came in it showed very

low cortisol level especially at night. So my ND gave me HC 5mg Er

caps, and said take 5 mg in the morning, 5mg at noon , and 5mg at

4pm. So, bc i just receive this TSH result i have got scared about how

T3

is low and TSH is low(mean my thyroid wnt hyper?)too. What is going

on? what my ND doing wrong. He said do not take anymore 2 grains of

thyroid, take only one evry other day, and don't take HC right now.He

explained me that thyroid started to work and thats why it is now

hyper, but he coudnot gave answer with T3 low level.

.

January 25, 2008

Hi Cheri

you just calm me down, thank you.

Actually i don't feel hyper, i feel like low energy , hands is

shaking,they alwys do. Originly my primary care said that my thyroid

is overworked not hyper, soory.

Yes, i took today in the morning HC 5mg only. I will wait on Val that

she wiil say tomorrow.

and here is my sex hormons result;

estradiol 4.8 within range (1.0-10.8 )

progesteron 120.9 low (127-446 luteal )

ratio of Pg/E2 25.1{PROGESTERON TO ESTRADIOL) estrogen dominance

testosteron 48.1 within range (6.0 - 49 )

DHEA 418.3 high (106- 300)

1.Progesteron therapy my prove to be breast, bone, and heart

protective due to estrogen domimance.

2.The high DHEA is consistent with metabolic syndrome (insulin

resistance) or excessive supplementation. Fasting blood sugar

and insulin levels may be warranted.

Thank yu again.

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " MsSquarepants "

wrote:

>

> Do you feel hyper? Your labs do not look hyper to me. He is

probably right

> that HC is helping the thyroid but wrongly advising you on stopping

HC and

> doing Armour every other day. Your labs show you need more T3, a

LOT more.

> And you have to continue to take the HC. You have adrenal

insufficiency.

>

> As far as doses of HC and what to do about the thyroid, I am going

to let

> chime in tomorrow but you aren't just low at night, you are

low

> overall. Your morning looks a little low for the ranges and your

noon is

> border low too. All four totaled up puts you under range. I think

you are on

> too low of a dose of HC and I would increase it but wait for

's input

> on this one for specific doses.

>

> Your English is fine. You just want to trim your posts more.

>

> Cheri

> -----Original Message-----

>

> This result i have just received.

> TSH 0.01 range (0.4-4.0)was 1.33 in 07/16/07

> Free T4 1.27 range (0.70-1.48) was 0.86

> T3 3.06 (58-159) was 78

>

> cortisol morning 12.4(5.1 - 40.2)with range

> cortisol noon 2.3 (2.1 -15.7 )with range

> cortisol evening 0.9 (1.8 - 12.1) low

> cortisol night 0.3 (0.9 - 9.2) low

> The diurnal cortisol pattern, together with reported symptoms is

> consistent with evolving adrenal gland fatigue(hypoadrenia),

though

> concomitant hypothyroid and/or iodine insufficiency can not be

> ruled out.

>

> also i am high on DHEA too.

>

> I was on Nature-thyroid since end of november, started with 1/2

grain

> till 2 grains, on 2 grains now for a long time.Also bc my

progesteron

> is low i am taking 1 tab progesteron at night right now till my

> period will come. When my adrenl saliva test came in it showed

very

> low cortisol level especially at night. So my ND gave me HC 5mg Er

> caps, and said take 5 mg in the morning, 5mg at noon , and 5mg at

> 4pm. So, bc i just receive this TSH result i have got scared

about how

> T3

> is low and TSH is low(mean my thyroid wnt hyper?)too. What is

going

> on? what my ND doing wrong. He said do not take anymore 2 grains

of

> thyroid, take only one evry other day, and don't take HC right

now.He

> explained me that thyroid started to work and thats why it is now

> hyper, but he coudnot gave answer with T3 low level.

>

> .

>

January 25, 2008

TSH 0.01 range (0.4-4.0)was 1.33 in 07/16/07

Free T4 1.27 range (0.70-1.48) was 0.86

T3 3.06 (58-159) was 78

I htink your doctor has the wrong ranges for the Free T3. The ranbge is for a

TOTAL T3 not a free T3 and this is NOT hyper. It is right where it should be for

where your T4 is. I think you would be fine with the 5MG HC.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

January 25, 2008

Okay, well you are already taking progesterone so that is good and the DHEA

is probably showing high because you tested while supplementing (I assume).

Your shakiness is most likely low cortisol.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

Actually i don't feel hyper, i feel like low energy , hands is

shaking,they alwys do. Originly my primary care said that my thyroid

is overworked not hyper, soory.

Yes, i took today in the morning HC 5mg only. I will wait on Val that

she wiil say tomorrow.

and here is my sex hormons result;

progesteron 120.9 low (127-446 luteal )

ratio of Pg/E2 25.1{PROGESTERON TO ESTRADIOL) estrogen dominance

DHEA 418.3 high (106- 300)

Thank yu again.

.

January 25, 2008

OH SORRY I didn;t see that she had been taking 15mg. MOre than likely it

wasnt;l enough to begin with and just stopping OUCH NO! Thsi doc is

dangerous that would tell you to simply stop taking it. Definitely would

not!

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

January 25, 2008

Do you think with her low labs that 5 mg HC is enough, especially since it

sounds like she has low cortisol symptoms? She was taking 15 mg (split three

5 mg doses) per her doc originally and still having symptoms. I was thinking

she needed to give the 15 mg more time and test temps before doing what her

doc said and just stopping.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

TSH 0.01 range (0.4-4.0)was 1.33 in 07/16/07

Free T4 1.27 range (0.70-1.48) was 0.86

T3 3.06 (58-159) was 78

I htink your doctor has the wrong ranges for the Free T3. The ranbge is

for a TOTAL T3 not a free T3 and this is NOT hyper. It is right where it

should be for where your T4 is. I think you would be fine with the 5MG HC.

--

.

January 25, 2008

Cheri

I took my sex hormons test before i started on 1 tab of progesteron.

and i don't know why DHEA is so high. What do u think?

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " MsSquarepants "

wrote:

>

> Okay, well you are already taking progesterone so that is good and

the DHEA

> is probably showing high because you tested while supplementing (I

assume).

> Your shakiness is most likely low cortisol.

> Cheri

> -----Original Message-----

>

> Actually i don't feel hyper, i feel like low energy , hands is

> shaking,they alwys do. Originly my primary care said that my

thyroid

> is overworked not hyper, soory.

> Yes, i took today in the morning HC 5mg only. I will wait on Val

that

> she wiil say tomorrow.

> and here is my sex hormons result;

>

> progesteron 120.9 low (127-446 luteal )

> ratio of Pg/E2 25.1{PROGESTERON TO ESTRADIOL) estrogen dominance

> DHEA 418.3 high (106- 300)

>

> Thank yu again.

> .

>

January 25, 2008

sorry fo confusing you

i haven't tested on FreeT3,only on T3 and range for T3 is 58-159.

Endo even doesn't want to listen me. about ftee T3.

My ND doc prescribed me HC 5mg capsules 3 times a day before

yesterday ,and yesterday when i got TSH result he told me to hold on

on HC, don't take it yet,and i did't . But today i started anyway

on only 5mg bymycelf,bc i just got med last night. So i did't have

15 mg a day yet at all. So i have read that is good to start with 2.5

mg a day for 3 days first, then to add so i am waiting on you Val

what dose i need to take now? thank you and god bless u for your help.

Here is my sex hormons result

progesteron 120.9 low (127-446 luteal )

> ratio of Pg/E2 25.1{PROGESTERON TO ESTRADIOL) estrogen dominance

> DHEA 418.3 high (106- 300)

> I am taking 1tab of progesteron already bc it so low.

what can i do about high DHEA and why is so high? thnks again

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " MsSquarepants "

wrote:

>

> Do you think with her low labs that 5 mg HC is enough, especially

since it

> sounds like she has low cortisol symptoms? She was taking 15 mg

(split three

> 5 mg doses) per her doc originally and still having symptoms. I was

thinking

> she needed to give the 15 mg more time and test temps before doing

what her

> doc said and just stopping.

>

> Cheri

> -----Original Message-----

>

> TSH 0.01 range (0.4-4.0)was 1.33 in 07/16/07

> Free T4 1.27 range (0.70-1.48) was 0.86

> T3 3.06 (58-159) was 78

>

> I htink your doctor has the wrong ranges for the Free T3. The

ranbge is

> for a TOTAL T3 not a free T3 and this is NOT hyper. It is right

where it

> should be for where your T4 is. I think you would be fine with the

5MG HC.

>

> --

>

> .

>

January 25, 2008

Val will be back online in the morning and I'm sure she'll answer you then.

Here is a link with how to start and increase cortisol. It is tailored for

people already on thyroid meds.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat/

Cherie

Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you

learn.--C.S.

>

> sorry fo confusing you

>

> i haven't tested on FreeT3,only on T3 and range for T3 is 58-159.

> Endo even doesn't want to listen me. about ftee T3.

>

> My ND doc prescribed me HC 5mg capsules 3 times a day before

> yesterday ,and yesterday when i got TSH result he told me to hold on

> on HC, don't take it yet,and i did't . But today i started anyway

> on only 5mg bymycelf,bc i just got med last night. So i did't have

> 15 mg a day yet at all. So i have read that is good to start with 2.5

> mg a day for 3 days first, then to add so i am waiting on you Val

> what dose i need to take now? thank you and god bless u for your help.

>

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January 26, 2008

Keep taking the progesterone. The DHEA can be high in early stages of

adrenal fatigue when the body becomes maladapted. I assumed you were

supplementing, but that's okay. Once you get on enough cortisol (either

Isocort or HC) you will likely see the DHEA come down too. I think you need

to work up to about 20 mg like said.

There is a ramp up schedule in the files section of this Yahoo group that

will give you ideas on how to increase slowly. It may take a month to get

high enough, depending on how aggressive you want to be. I personally think

I took too long to ramp up but it is an individual thing. You might need

more than Isocort. I started on that but didn't really get results until I

switched to hydrocortisone.

Cheri

Re: labrix clinical test result on sex hormons and

cortisol level, pls help with

Cheri

I took my sex hormons test before i started on 1 tab of progesteron.

and i don't know why DHEA is so high. What do u think?

.

January 26, 2008

Keep taking the progesterone. The DHEA can be high in early stages of

adrenal fatigue when the body becomes maladapted. I assumed you were

supplementing, but that's okay. Once you get on enough cortisol (either

Isocort or HC) you will likely see the DHEA come down too. I think you need

to work up to about 20 mg like said.

There is a ramp up schedule in the files section of this Yahoo group that

will give you ideas on how to increase slowly. It may take a month to get

high enough, depending on how aggressive you want to be. I personally think

I took too long to ramp up but it is an individual thing. You might need

more than Isocort. I started on that but didn't really get results until I

switched to hydrocortisone.

Cheri

Re: labrix clinical test result on sex hormons and

cortisol level, pls help with

Cheri

I took my sex hormons test before i started on 1 tab of progesteron.

and i don't know why DHEA is so high. What do u think?

.

January 26, 2008

Keep taking the progesterone. The DHEA can be high in early stages of

adrenal fatigue when the body becomes maladapted. I assumed you were

supplementing, but that's okay. Once you get on enough cortisol (either

Isocort or HC) you will likely see the DHEA come down too. I think you need

to work up to about 20 mg like said.

There is a ramp up schedule in the files section of this Yahoo group that

will give you ideas on how to increase slowly. It may take a month to get

high enough, depending on how aggressive you want to be. I personally think

I took too long to ramp up but it is an individual thing. You might need

more than Isocort. I started on that but didn't really get results until I

switched to hydrocortisone.

Cheri

Re: labrix clinical test result on sex hormons and

cortisol level, pls help with

Cheri

I took my sex hormons test before i started on 1 tab of progesteron.

and i don't know why DHEA is so high. What do u think?

.

January 26, 2008

Hi Cheri

I still confused about how to take HC and thiroid. today is third day

i am on only HC 5mg in the morning an 1gr thiroid. So how much i need

increase thiroid and HC tomorrow? i have only capsule 5mg HC ,not 2.5

mg tablets. would be 5 mg in am an 5 mg after 4 hours of HC is ok

and 2 gr of thiroid? or different dose? could u plese help me?

Thank u for your time.

Val did't reply to me for whole day. so it almost midnight.Thanks

again.

i haven't tested on FreeT3,only on T3 and range for T3 is 58-159.

Endo even doesn't want to listen me. about ftee T3.

TSH 0.01 range (0.4-4.0)was 1.33 in 07/16/07

Free T4 1.27 range (0.70-1.48) was 0.86

T3 3.06 (58-159) was78

I htink your doctor has the wrong ranges for the Free T3. The

> > ranbge is

> > > for a TOTAL T3 not a free T3 and this is NOT hyper. It is right

> > where it

> > > should be for where your T4 is. I think you would be fine with

> the

> > 5MG HC.

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > > .

> > >

January 27, 2008

Have you checked out the files section of this group in Yahoo? That has a

ramp up schedule that I suggest you use to guide you. Basically upping your

dosage every few days by keeping morning the highest dose and adding your

second dose 3 hours or so after the first. Some people use 4 but for me 3

hours works best. Most people do 4 doses a day.

did respond to you in an email a few days ago after she sent the one

about the 5mg. She didn't have all your labs when she sent the 5 mg one and

that was just a starting point...you have to graph your temps per

www.drrind.com as you ramp up. She thought you needed to ramp up slowly to

20 mg based on your labs. But you have to read the ramp up schedule of the

files first. If you have any questions on the schedule once you read it, you

can post that with just your newest cortisol and DHEA labs again. Don't post

all the other stuff though, because it makes the message too long and

confusing and we get lost trying to figure it out.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

Hi Cheri

I still confused about how to take HC and thiroid. today is third day

i am on only HC 5mg in the morning an 1gr thiroid. So how much i need

increase thiroid and HC tomorrow? i have only capsule 5mg HC ,not 2.5

mg tablets. would be 5 mg in am an 5 mg after 4 hours of HC is ok

and 2 gr of thiroid? or different dose? could u plese help me?

Thank u for your time.

Val did't reply to me for whole day. so it almost midnight.Thanks

again.

.

January 27, 2008