Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 Thank you Donna, thats really reassuring. Lesley, Antenatal teacher, trainee breasteeding counsellor. Demented mother of 3. Worthing. " We are born naked, wet and hungry. Then things get worse " . Re: SATS > << > These sats and the ones at 14 are very important because they determine the > child's future - just like the 11 plus. A child is setted in yr 7 according > to the results and this can affect their whole school career. At 14 it is > used to determine the level of GCSE paper they will take - and therefore > their whole future. > > Georgina Galvin >> > > > Just to say as a serving school Governor at both a primary and a secondary > school I can honestly say that most schools do not see SATs as the be all and > end all of childrens education. Many teachers don't think they are worth the > paper they are printed on as they are only based on a very small part of a > childs ability. What the teacher thinks the child is capable of is much more > important. > > The sats in Yr6 may be used for setting at secondary school but usually only > for the first term until the teachers there have an idea of what they can do. > and with a differentiated curriculum even if a child is not actually in set 1 > they should still be working to the best of their ability. > > The sats in Yr9 (age14) are not used to decide the tier that they enter for > their GCSE's as this is not decided until partway through yr11 when the > coursework is mostly finished and the teachers have an idea of their > predicted grade. Even then if you disagree with the tier they are being > entered for you can ask for them to be entered for a different one. (although > the teachers knowledge of their ability should be a factor). > > Donna > Mum to (17) > Kimberley(16), Kayleigh(13), > (11), Kara (4) [homebirth at last] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 Thank you Donna, thats really reassuring. Lesley, Antenatal teacher, trainee breasteeding counsellor. Demented mother of 3. Worthing. " We are born naked, wet and hungry. Then things get worse " . Re: SATS > << > These sats and the ones at 14 are very important because they determine the > child's future - just like the 11 plus. A child is setted in yr 7 according > to the results and this can affect their whole school career. At 14 it is > used to determine the level of GCSE paper they will take - and therefore > their whole future. > > Georgina Galvin >> > > > Just to say as a serving school Governor at both a primary and a secondary > school I can honestly say that most schools do not see SATs as the be all and > end all of childrens education. Many teachers don't think they are worth the > paper they are printed on as they are only based on a very small part of a > childs ability. What the teacher thinks the child is capable of is much more > important. > > The sats in Yr6 may be used for setting at secondary school but usually only > for the first term until the teachers there have an idea of what they can do. > and with a differentiated curriculum even if a child is not actually in set 1 > they should still be working to the best of their ability. > > The sats in Yr9 (age14) are not used to decide the tier that they enter for > their GCSE's as this is not decided until partway through yr11 when the > coursework is mostly finished and the teachers have an idea of their > predicted grade. Even then if you disagree with the tier they are being > entered for you can ask for them to be entered for a different one. (although > the teachers knowledge of their ability should be a factor). > > Donna > Mum to (17) > Kimberley(16), Kayleigh(13), > (11), Kara (4) [homebirth at last] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 Thank you Donna, thats really reassuring. Lesley, Antenatal teacher, trainee breasteeding counsellor. Demented mother of 3. Worthing. " We are born naked, wet and hungry. Then things get worse " . Re: SATS > << > These sats and the ones at 14 are very important because they determine the > child's future - just like the 11 plus. A child is setted in yr 7 according > to the results and this can affect their whole school career. At 14 it is > used to determine the level of GCSE paper they will take - and therefore > their whole future. > > Georgina Galvin >> > > > Just to say as a serving school Governor at both a primary and a secondary > school I can honestly say that most schools do not see SATs as the be all and > end all of childrens education. Many teachers don't think they are worth the > paper they are printed on as they are only based on a very small part of a > childs ability. What the teacher thinks the child is capable of is much more > important. > > The sats in Yr6 may be used for setting at secondary school but usually only > for the first term until the teachers there have an idea of what they can do. > and with a differentiated curriculum even if a child is not actually in set 1 > they should still be working to the best of their ability. > > The sats in Yr9 (age14) are not used to decide the tier that they enter for > their GCSE's as this is not decided until partway through yr11 when the > coursework is mostly finished and the teachers have an idea of their > predicted grade. Even then if you disagree with the tier they are being > entered for you can ask for them to be entered for a different one. (although > the teachers knowledge of their ability should be a factor). > > Donna > Mum to (17) > Kimberley(16), Kayleigh(13), > (11), Kara (4) [homebirth at last] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 I agree, - and having put DD1 through the primary school system as SATS were being introduced, I have something of a bee in my bonnet about this! I certainly *don't* want my kids' progress measured this precisely - I'm their Mum and OK, maybe not all parents are as interested as we are, but I do know how they're doing. And on this basis, I'm frantically turning down nursery places for DS, and planning on home educating DS and DD2 until either the early years regime changes dramatically, or they're 7 1/2!! Vicki (feeling bolshy) wrote: But the government response is that we, the parents, wanted this. We (apparently) wanted to know how our kids were doing and wanted something to judge schools (and by extention, policiticans) performance on. So now we're all on a bandwagon. Personally, I feel I know far better than the school how my kids are doing as I spend more time with them than their teacher does (on a one to one basis). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 I agree, - and having put DD1 through the primary school system as SATS were being introduced, I have something of a bee in my bonnet about this! I certainly *don't* want my kids' progress measured this precisely - I'm their Mum and OK, maybe not all parents are as interested as we are, but I do know how they're doing. And on this basis, I'm frantically turning down nursery places for DS, and planning on home educating DS and DD2 until either the early years regime changes dramatically, or they're 7 1/2!! Vicki (feeling bolshy) wrote: But the government response is that we, the parents, wanted this. We (apparently) wanted to know how our kids were doing and wanted something to judge schools (and by extention, policiticans) performance on. So now we're all on a bandwagon. Personally, I feel I know far better than the school how my kids are doing as I spend more time with them than their teacher does (on a one to one basis). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2001 Report Share Posted May 25, 2001 Caroline wrote > I just have an old fashioned feeling that teachers should have a good > knowledge of their skills and of their pupils weaknesses and strengths > without having to test them in this manner - but I am probably wrong & will > shut up>>>>>> > No, I agree with you, teachers should know theirs pupils strengths and weaknesses and I think most of them probably do. It is just a way of the government finding out which are the " good " schools and which are the " failing " schools. The teachers want to aim for the highest level because it shows how " good " their school is. DS1's school teacher is only in her second year of teaching and I think she is a very good teacher - she definitely has the measure of Jack - and she is teaching a spilt year with a Downs Syndrome boy included in the class, who has a class room helper. The class is small and she must have told them that they were doing their SATS but the children were excited by it - not stressed so I don't know how she put it to them, apart from the fact that she said they could play on the Friday after they had finished - no proper work for them. I know some of the parents were shocked by the test papers shown at school, they felt that their child would struggle with them. Maybe I will feel different when it is DS2 doing them next year, but DS1 found them " easy peasy " ! But he is so laid back about things like that. Does anyone know if the results are given to the parents? Trisha SAHM to 3 boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2001 Report Share Posted May 25, 2001 But he is so laid back about things like that. Does anyone know if the results are given to the parents? Trisha Certainly in yr 6 and yr 9 parents are given the results - in yr 6 we were also invited along to a special session at the school where the teacher gave out our child's actual paper and then went through expaining what was and wasn't a correct answer. As far as yr 9 is concerned, we were given results via the pupils but no direct school/parent contact. My two were most stressed by the SATS in yr 6 - both found the yr9 ones less stressful, but it was a different school and perhaps different approach by teachers. ann SAHM to (15/1/86), Kirsty (5/6//87) and Ben (11/7/98). Editor Cambridge newsletter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2001 Report Share Posted May 26, 2001 Donna wrote > Your own childs results will be given to you usually in the school report. > The whole school results may or may not be published depending on what the > Board of Governors has decided but you can ask for the results and they > have > to give them to you (obviously they do not have all the childrens names on > them) > > Thank you Donna. Now confession time - I am on the Board of Governors but have obviously missed this! Says a lot about me. Trisha SAHM to 3 boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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