Re: Planning on increasing Armour tnite by 1/8

[Guest guest]

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How do you measure your temps in hundredths? I want a thermometer like you.

Where can I find one?

Sounds like you are doing good!

Delores

Planning on increasing Armour tnite by 1/8

> Avg. temps for past four days. I think that I'm ready and I the feel

> good from the last 1/8, came and went real fast just like the last

> one. I slept horribly last night but I don't think that I can blame

> that on the Armour. Seem OK?

>

> 98.17

> 97.90

> 97.95

> 98.08

> 98.18

>

> Thanks,

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Looking good!

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Good for him and you Barb. I'm happy to hear that. He must be

thrilled to be sleeping through the night. The night-time Armour dose

does not seem to be affecting my sleep one way or the other, although

maybe it will tnite as I increase. Something else did last night

though and I've been trying the apple and nutbutter too. It might be

the adaptogen that I started on so I'm probably going to quit it for a

few days to see if I sleep better. Why does everything we do have to

affect sleep.

>

> You're welcome. And good luck tonight! The apple and PB are working

> for DH. No more night creaming and sleeping through!

>

> Barb

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Most folks try ot get the 1/2 grain tabs and cut those in half.

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" Mark Munyon " wrote:

>

> How do you cut those by 1/8th? I tried but seem to wind up with

> crumbs. Maybe my pill cutter is no good.

DH has a little pharmacy of 3 prescription bottles: 1/2 grain, 1/4

grain, and 1/8 grain. Prescription was for 1/4 grain, so he could

increase slowly, but they were low on stock, so gave me whatever 1/4

grain they had, and 1/2 grain for the rest. Then we cut the 1/4 grain

into 1/8 grain. And mix and match pills for his daily doses.

He's currently doing 1/2, 3/8, 1/4, 1/4. It is quite a trip keeping

track of this LOL, but the slow increases seem better tolerated.

Barb

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Yeah, that's what I've got - 1/2 grain/30mg tabs. I've been

quartering those though b/c I have to go up by 1/8 grain. I don't

always get it right on with the pill cutter but I figure as long as

I'm getting the full dose every day, and spreading it out so as not to

stress the adrenals, it's OK.

>

> Most folks try ot get the 1/2 grain tabs and cut those in half.

[Guest guest]

What type of symptoms do you have if you increase it too quickly?

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Mainly adrenal symtoksm, Shaking nausea extreme fatigeu and temps

fluctuating wildly.

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That they do. I hope that I haven't been making it harder on myself

by not always being as exact with quartering the 1/2 grain tabs.

I meant to ask you Barb, do you have Hashis? I was just thinking

about our similar labs, but dissimilar temps - yours being so close to

optimal and mine still being way too low - and wondering how we might

be different. I do have Hashis and my adrenals are at stage 5 as

Diagnostech measures it.

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Barb "

wrote:

>

> " Mark Munyon " <munyonm@> wrote:

> >

> > How do you cut those by 1/8th? I tried but seem to wind up with

> > crumbs. Maybe my pill cutter is no good.

>

> DH has a little pharmacy of 3 prescription bottles: 1/2 grain, 1/4

> grain, and 1/8 grain. Prescription was for 1/4 grain, so he could

> increase slowly, but they were low on stock, so gave me whatever 1/4

> grain they had, and 1/2 grain for the rest. Then we cut the 1/4 grain

> into 1/8 grain. And mix and match pills for his daily doses.

>

> He's currently doing 1/2, 3/8, 1/4, 1/4. It is quite a trip keeping

> track of this LOL, but the slow increases seem better tolerated.

>

> Barb

>

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Hmmm...okay. That explains it!! Mystery solved!

I had a chiropractic adjustment and a 1 hr. massage on the same day. I

started new supplement the night before and had them again in the a.m.

I felt worse than I have felt in a long time. I had a strange headache,

felt very spacey (almost drunk!) and I was so, so, so tired. I called

the doc to see if it was the supplements and they said no way. They

thought it was b/c of all of the toxins that were released during the

chiro care and massage. While I thought that was a neat theory and

actually wanted to believe that was the case b/c it sounds so cool and

as though I'm making progress, I knew that probably wasn't the case.

Now I see it was probably the Armour. Is that what you all would think?

I'm super hyper today though so who knows what the heck is going on

inside of this whacky bod of mine!

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" jasrich " wrote:

> I meant to ask you Barb, do you have Hashis? I was just thinking

> about our similar labs, but dissimilar temps - yours being so close to

> optimal and mine still being way too low - and wondering how we might

> be different. I do have Hashis and my adrenals are at stage 5 as

> Diagnostech measures it.

The difference could be as simple as you being male and me female.

Not sure what I have. I was told I had Grave's in 1993 and given RAI,

but never had the eye problems others experience. I later read

drinking too many diet drinks could induce hyperthyroidism, and now

wonder if that's what happened back then, and if I had waited and

cleaned up my diet, it would have corrected itself. The marketing

department I worked in at the time was doing a promotion with a diet

soft drink company so there was tons of free soda, by the case, that

people took home. I don't normally drink soft drinks and may have OD'd.

Back then I didn't know anything or to ask for my labwork, so don't

even know if I was tested for antibodies. I do know my TSH was

something like .00X, my hands had a slight tremor, my pulse was in the

90s, and I'd lost 15 lbs in a little over a month, while eating lots of

Christmas cookies!

Guess I could ask for the antibody tests next time, cause I hear you

can have Grave's and Hashi's together, but then I thought, what would

the info tell me? Would it change my treatment of Armour for life?

Will do the saliva test next month (can't wait).

Barb

P.S. DH woke again last night at 5 a.m., so this sleep stuff is hit or

miss. For you, I'd recommend half an apple, and 2 tablespoons of

sunbutter. Take the magnesium, but not the new supplement (I think I

read somewhere rhodiola could be stimulating). Don't take the chromium

unless it's with a big meal, because it lowers blood sugar and couold

MAKE you hypogycemic.

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" jasrich " wrote:

> I meant to ask you Barb, do you have Hashis? I was just thinking

> about our similar labs, but dissimilar temps - yours being so close to

> optimal and mine still being way too low - and wondering how we might

> be different. I do have Hashis and my adrenals are at stage 5 as

> Diagnostech measures it.

The difference could be as simple as you being male and me female.

Not sure what I have. I was told I had Grave's in 1993 and given RAI,

but never had the eye problems others experience. I later read

drinking too many diet drinks could induce hyperthyroidism, and now

wonder if that's what happened back then, and if I had waited and

cleaned up my diet, it would have corrected itself. The marketing

department I worked in at the time was doing a promotion with a diet

soft drink company so there was tons of free soda, by the case, that

people took home. I don't normally drink soft drinks and may have OD'd.

Back then I didn't know anything or to ask for my labwork, so don't

even know if I was tested for antibodies. I do know my TSH was

something like .00X, my hands had a slight tremor, my pulse was in the

90s, and I'd lost 15 lbs in a little over a month, while eating lots of

Christmas cookies!

Guess I could ask for the antibody tests next time, cause I hear you

can have Grave's and Hashi's together, but then I thought, what would

the info tell me? Would it change my treatment of Armour for life?

Will do the saliva test next month (can't wait).

Barb

P.S. DH woke again last night at 5 a.m., so this sleep stuff is hit or

miss. For you, I'd recommend half an apple, and 2 tablespoons of

sunbutter. Take the magnesium, but not the new supplement (I think I

read somewhere rhodiola could be stimulating). Don't take the chromium

unless it's with a big meal, because it lowers blood sugar and couold

MAKE you hypogycemic.

[Guest guest]

In took a new adaptagen I ordered from Vitacost, took one with supper, and had a

much harder time falling asleep last night. Today, I took it morning and noon -

no more at evening meal for me.

Pat Re: Planning on increasing Armour tnite by 1/8

Hmmm...okay. That explains it!! Mystery solved!

I had a chiropractic adjustment and a 1 hr. massage on the same day. I

started new supplement the night before and had them again in the a.m.

I felt worse than I have felt in a long time. I had a strange headache,

felt very spacey (almost drunk!) and I was so, so, so tired. I called

the doc to see if it was the supplements and they said no way. They

thought it was b/c of all of the toxins that were released during the

chiro care and massage. While I thought that was a neat theory and

actually wanted to believe that was the case b/c it sounds so cool and

as though I'm making progress, I knew that probably wasn't the case.

Now I see it was probably the Armour. Is that what you all would think?

I'm super hyper today though so who knows what the heck is going on

inside of this whacky bod of mine!

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In took a new adaptagen I ordered from Vitacost, took one with supper, and had a

much harder time falling asleep last night. Today, I took it morning and noon -

no more at evening meal for me.

Pat Re: Planning on increasing Armour tnite by 1/8

Hmmm...okay. That explains it!! Mystery solved!

I had a chiropractic adjustment and a 1 hr. massage on the same day. I

started new supplement the night before and had them again in the a.m.

I felt worse than I have felt in a long time. I had a strange headache,

felt very spacey (almost drunk!) and I was so, so, so tired. I called

the doc to see if it was the supplements and they said no way. They

thought it was b/c of all of the toxins that were released during the

chiro care and massage. While I thought that was a neat theory and

actually wanted to believe that was the case b/c it sounds so cool and

as though I'm making progress, I knew that probably wasn't the case.

Now I see it was probably the Armour. Is that what you all would think?

I'm super hyper today though so who knows what the heck is going on

inside of this whacky bod of mine!

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In took a new adaptagen I ordered from Vitacost, took one with supper, and had a

much harder time falling asleep last night. Today, I took it morning and noon -

no more at evening meal for me.

Pat Re: Planning on increasing Armour tnite by 1/8

Hmmm...okay. That explains it!! Mystery solved!

I had a chiropractic adjustment and a 1 hr. massage on the same day. I

started new supplement the night before and had them again in the a.m.

I felt worse than I have felt in a long time. I had a strange headache,

felt very spacey (almost drunk!) and I was so, so, so tired. I called

the doc to see if it was the supplements and they said no way. They

thought it was b/c of all of the toxins that were released during the

chiro care and massage. While I thought that was a neat theory and

actually wanted to believe that was the case b/c it sounds so cool and

as though I'm making progress, I knew that probably wasn't the case.

Now I see it was probably the Armour. Is that what you all would think?

I'm super hyper today though so who knows what the heck is going on

inside of this whacky bod of mine!

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I definitely have Hashis - TPO ABs were over 1000 when I had them

checked a couple of months ago. Hopefully as I get optimized on

Armour they'll come down as they're supposed to, but once you have

them... you know. Screwed for life.

I actually slept better last night WITH the 1/8 grain Armour increase

at bed-time (yay, I'm finally at 2 grains) than I did the night

before, despite the stomach ache that I had all day and went to bed

with. 1/2 an apple and about that much nutbutter is exactly what I

had the night before last. Last night I had a piece of organic turkey

and a couple of pieces of pineapple. Neither was easy on my stomach,

but I don't blame the snacks. I didn't take any of my vits today,

except for the D which I take 3x/week, and the chromium blend that he

sold me that also has mag, vit c and some other stuff in it. I didn't

take it with a big meal - I took it with a protein shake that I had

for breakfast and I have been feeling hypogly all day. I also read

that it can cause some GI upset - probably if you don't eat enough

with it. I guess that I'll knock off the day time chromium too, but

what about the night-time dose - he gave it to me in response to my

complaints about waking up in the middle of the night, saying that it

should help to level out BS over-night. Maybe take it with dinner

then? I'm guessing that the mag is OK too, but I want to get the

powder or the caps, not these ridiculous horse pills. I'm going to

leave out the adaptogen for a while until I get back to baseline GI

discomfort instead of the enhanced version of the last few nights.

Do you, or especially DH notice yourselves sweating after you eat

fairly often?

>

> P.S. DH woke again last night at 5 a.m., so this sleep stuff is hit or

> miss. For you, I'd recommend half an apple, and 2 tablespoons of

> sunbutter. Take the magnesium, but not the new supplement (I think I

> read somewhere rhodiola could be stimulating). Don't take the chromium

> unless it's with a big meal, because it lowers blood sugar and couold

> MAKE you hypogycemic.

>

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I am to take mine in the AM but who knows whether it was affecting my

sleep or not. Too many changes at once. Dialing back everything except

for the Armour and HC and my sea salt and starting over one at a time.

>

> In took a new adaptagen I ordered from Vitacost, took one with

supper, and had a much harder time falling asleep last night. Today,

I took it morning and noon - no more at evening meal for me.

[Guest guest]

" jasrich " wrote:

>I guess that I'll knock off the day time chromium too, but

> what about the night-time dose - he gave it to me in response to my

> complaints about waking up in the middle of the night, saying that

it

> should help to level out BS over-night. Maybe take it with dinner

> then?

Chromium is good for those with pre-diabetes--too high blood sugar

after a meal. Before going the insulin route, you try chromium

because it helps lower your blood sugar and pushes the glucose to

your cells, the way insulin should.

DH takes a 200 mg chromium with breakfast, cause he can't part with

his carby oatmeal (says it keeps him regular, another problem hypos

have). He also takes another 200 mg chromium with dinner, in

addition to a gymnema sylvestre (another herb that's supposed to help

regenerate the beta cells in your pancreas if that's your problem).

I don't KNOW if we have that problem, but it doesn't seem to hurt.

And I like a nice dinner with SOME carbs like a little bit of potato,

rice, or pasta, now that we're both better and not eating every two

hours!

>I'm guessing that the mag is OK too, but I want to get the

> powder or the caps, not these ridiculous horse pills.

Magnesium is supposed to be a muscle relaxer, so is supposed to help

you sleep. I hear ya about the horse pills. Got a food processor?

> Do you, or especially DH notice yourselves sweating after you eat

> fairly often?

No, only if we eat Mexican, Thai, or Szechuan and it's extra hot

LOL! I know when you eat it's supposed to raise your cortisol, so

that means your adrenals are trying to pump some out when they

recognize incoming food. Wonder if that's the cause?

Barb

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Massages ARE detoxifying, especially in the lymphatic system if you had a

good one, and you have to drink extra water and rest on those days. At least

when I had them I was always told that. I definitely felt different the day

of the massage. That said, some of it can also be what you are taking like

the supplements.

Cheri

Re: Planning on increasing Armour tnite by 1/8

Hmmm...okay. That explains it!! Mystery solved!

I had a chiropractic adjustment and a 1 hr. massage on the same day. I

started new supplement the night before and had them again in the a.m.

I felt worse than I have felt in a long time. I had a strange headache,

felt very spacey (almost drunk!) and I was so, so, so tired. I called

the doc to see if it was the supplements and they said no way. They

thought it was b/c of all of the toxins that were released during the

chiro care and massage. While I thought that was a neat theory and

actually wanted to believe that was the case b/c it sounds so cool and

as though I'm making progress, I knew that probably wasn't the case.

Now I see it was probably the Armour. Is that what you all would think?

I'm super hyper today though so who knows what the heck is going on

inside of this whacky bod of mine!

.

[Guest guest]

Massages ARE detoxifying, especially in the lymphatic system if you had a

good one, and you have to drink extra water and rest on those days. At least

when I had them I was always told that. I definitely felt different the day

of the massage. That said, some of it can also be what you are taking like

the supplements.

Cheri

Re: Planning on increasing Armour tnite by 1/8

Hmmm...okay. That explains it!! Mystery solved!

I had a chiropractic adjustment and a 1 hr. massage on the same day. I

started new supplement the night before and had them again in the a.m.

I felt worse than I have felt in a long time. I had a strange headache,

felt very spacey (almost drunk!) and I was so, so, so tired. I called

the doc to see if it was the supplements and they said no way. They

thought it was b/c of all of the toxins that were released during the

chiro care and massage. While I thought that was a neat theory and

actually wanted to believe that was the case b/c it sounds so cool and

as though I'm making progress, I knew that probably wasn't the case.

Now I see it was probably the Armour. Is that what you all would think?

I'm super hyper today though so who knows what the heck is going on

inside of this whacky bod of mine!

.