Re: methimazole

[Guest guest]

Once the RT3 problem is started it is self propagating. The RT3 binds ot

the T3 receptors so no T3 can get through, this in turn makes the body's

T4 go high as it stops converting when the body cnnot use the T3, thus

it makes MORE RT3 to clear out the excess T4 it canntpo use. The only

way I know of to STOP the problem and reverse it is to remove the source

of RT3 which is ALL T4. You need to go on a FULL replacement dose of T3

to stop even the body;s production of T4 for a few months which clears

out the RT3 as ther is no new replacment being made then.

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[Guest guest]

Once the RT3 problem is started it is self propagating. The RT3 binds ot

the T3 receptors so no T3 can get through, this in turn makes the body's

T4 go high as it stops converting when the body cnnot use the T3, thus

it makes MORE RT3 to clear out the excess T4 it canntpo use. The only

way I know of to STOP the problem and reverse it is to remove the source

of RT3 which is ALL T4. You need to go on a FULL replacement dose of T3

to stop even the body;s production of T4 for a few months which clears

out the RT3 as ther is no new replacment being made then.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Once the RT3 problem is started it is self propagating. The RT3 binds ot

the T3 receptors so no T3 can get through, this in turn makes the body's

T4 go high as it stops converting when the body cnnot use the T3, thus

it makes MORE RT3 to clear out the excess T4 it canntpo use. The only

way I know of to STOP the problem and reverse it is to remove the source

of RT3 which is ALL T4. You need to go on a FULL replacement dose of T3

to stop even the body;s production of T4 for a few months which clears

out the RT3 as ther is no new replacment being made then.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

So I guess I shouldn't take the levoxyl at all but just take the SRT3 he's

prescribed. Might I not have to stay on T3 for life and have this correct itself

like 's often does? Meanwhile I am taking those MedT3 caps which are

supposed to help conversion and I am also doing castor oil packs on my liver

since my cholesterol is 120 and I know there's a problem there even though all

my liver tests are always normal. Interesting though I checked my cholesterol

levels from last year at this time and I had a much better level of 178. I've

done research indicating that low cholesterol is associated with depression and

anxiety and it is since I became very depressed and anxious that my cholesterol

has dropped like this so I don't know what to make of it all. Even Blanchard

said yesterday that he's always seeing high cholesterol with his hypo patients.

Re: methimazole

Once the RT3 problem is started it is self propagating. The RT3 binds ot

the T3 receptors so no T3 can get through, this in turn makes the body's

T4 go high as it stops converting when the body cnnot use the T3, thus

it makes MORE RT3 to clear out the excess T4 it canntpo use. The only

way I know of to STOP the problem and reverse it is to remove the source

of RT3 which is ALL T4. You need to go on a FULL replacement dose of T3

to stop even the body;s production of T4 for a few months which clears

out the RT3 as ther is no new replacment being made then.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

I don;t know that ALL people once they have RT3 mneed T3 for life. I

feel if they correct the CAUSE of it in the first place they can go back

to Armour and be fine. BUt the cause has to be found and correctee. As

trieds to ignore adrneal problems, thta is why his patioents can

never go back to Armour .

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Val,

What do you suspect the cause is for me given all that you know has transpired?

Re: methimazole

I don;t know that ALL people once they have RT3 mneed T3 for life. I

feel if they correct the CAUSE of it in the first place they can go back

to Armour and be fine. BUt the cause has to be found and correctee. As

trieds to ignore adrneal problems, thta is why his patioents can

never go back to Armour .

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

,

The action of methimazole is temporary, so it only impacts conversion

while you take it. It has a half life of 3 or 4 days, so its out of

your system very quickly. If the hypothyroidism is truly caused by

methimazole, thyroid levels will increase after the person stops taking

it.

Permanent thyroid suppression is usually caused by antibodies, which

can increase as the result of becoming hypothyroid on medication, but

will reduce once euthyroid. So, typically this kind of scenario is seen

by someone who has the autoantibodies for both Graves and Hashis, and

is why block and replace protocol is a very effective option. (taking a

small dose of antithryoid medication AND thyroid replacement at the

same time) This therapy suppresses thyroid activity (and thus

antibodies) and replaces needed thyroid.

Cathy

>

> I've been reading in all the good docs books about methimazole and

how it works. It supposedly inhibits T4 from converting into T3. This

is apparently what it did to me and put me in this state after taking

it for 6 weeks back in August/Sept. and I was probably already a bit

hypo then even though my frees were okay since I have hashi's.

> Anyway, I am confused because I've read in Shomon's book that lots of

people with Grave's who go hypo from the meds actually do okay on T4

alone. >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cathy,

thanks for explaining. I was never hyperthyroid and mistakingly put on

methimazole back in August for 6 weeks. It was after that that all my trouble

with hypoT and low free T3 and high reverse T3 levels plus my severe symptoms

began. I have had hashi's since about 1995, but my thyroid function always

seemed okay until the methimazole. So, if you give methimazole to a person with

hashi's who isn't hypert, then can that cause the gland to permanently fail or

can I expect my gland to return to normal functioning at some point in the

future? I took 5 mgs. methimazole for 6 weeks thru September and started to

feel very badly and hypo in October and got much worse as November and December

came along.

Re: methimazole

,

The action of methimazole is temporary, so it only impacts conversion

while you take it. It has a half life of 3 or 4 days, so its out of

your system very quickly. If the hypothyroidism is truly caused by

methimazole, thyroid levels will increase after the person stops taking

it.

Permanent thyroid suppression is usually caused by antibodies, which

can increase as the result of becoming hypothyroid on medication, but

will reduce once euthyroid. So, typically this kind of scenario is seen

by someone who has the autoantibodies for both Graves and Hashis, and

is why block and replace protocol is a very effective option. (taking a

small dose of antithryoid medication AND thyroid replacement at the

same time) This therapy suppresses thyroid activity (and thus

antibodies) and replaces needed thyroid.

Cathy

>

> I've been reading in all the good docs books about methimazole and

how it works. It supposedly inhibits T4 from converting into T3. This

is apparently what it did to me and put me in this state after taking

it for 6 weeks back in August/Sept. and I was probably already a bit

hypo then even though my frees were okay since I have hashi's.

> Anyway, I am confused because I've read in Shomon's book that lots of

people with Grave's who go hypo from the meds actually do okay on T4

alone. >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>What do you suspect the cause is for me given all that you know has

transpired? <<

Probably too low a dose of cortiosol for too long, and then the Methimazole

certainyl did nto help matters.

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

It should bounce back, but the determing issue is antibody levels. If

you were driven hypo by methimazole, then it will have increased

autoantibodies. So it really depends whether your antibodies have

decreased or not.

People with both Graves and Hashis antibodies typically swing back

and forth between slight hypo and slight hyper throughout their

lives, and then sometimes the fluctuations become more extreme and

longer. If antibodies are present, there is some thyroid destruction

going on whether the thyroid is still functioning normally or not. At

some point, there is enough damage that the thyroid can no longer

produce. It would be hard to know whether your issue was caused by

methimazole, or just part of a degeneration process you were

experiencing, but I'm sure taking methimazole when you didn't need

it, didn't help.

Cathy

>

> Cathy,

>

> thanks for explaining. I was never hyperthyroid and mistakingly

put on methimazole back in August for 6 weeks. It was after that

that all my trouble with hypoT and low free T3 and high reverse T3

levels plus my severe symptoms began. I have had hashi's since about

1995, but my thyroid function always seemed okay until the

methimazole.

>

>

> Re: methimazole

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Cathy,

I noticed my antibodies did increase after the methimazole. They are not

really high at all, but they are higher than they were say a year ago.

Re: methimazole

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>People with both Graves and Hashis antibodies typically swing back

and forth between slight hypo and slight hyper throughout their

lives, and then sometimes the fluctuations become more extreme and

longer. If antibodies are present, there is some thyroid destruction

going on whether the thyroid is still functioning normally or not. >>

Hi Cathy,

I'm jumping in here with a question of my own: have you ever heard of

someone diagnosed with Graves who does not have antibodies? I have been

dx'ed with Graves despite the fact that I've never tested positive for

the antibodies. I started out as hyper (treated with PTU and meth.), was

euthyroid for some years and now am hypo. I've never been satisfactorily

treated on anti-thyroid meds and I have trouble with my armour dosing,

too.

Thanks for any light you can shed.

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

No. By definition the diagnosis of Graves is high TSI antibodies

accompanied by over range T4 and T3. If you don't and never had those

antibodies, you didn't technically have Graves, although you may have

become hyperthyroid for some other reason. The treatment is same, but

if the cause isn't autoimmune, its usually transient and resolves at

some point.

If you are hypo now though, I would suspect that is caused by

antibodies, and potentially your TSI test was botched, OR the doc

gave you the wrong test, which also happens.

If you have those labs, let's take look?

Cathy

--- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , srapp785@... >>

>

> Hi Cathy,

>

> I'm jumping in here with a question of my own: have you ever heard

of

> someone diagnosed with Graves who does not have antibodies? I have

been

> dx'ed with Graves despite the fact that I've never tested positive

for

> the antibodies. I started out as hyper (treated with PTU and

meth.), was

> euthyroid for some years and now am hypo. I've never been

satisfactorily

> treated on anti-thyroid meds and I have trouble with my armour

dosing,

> too.

>

> Thanks for any light you can shed.

>

> Dahlia

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'll jump in here since I've read Shomon's book, " Living Well with Grave's

Disease " . Autoimmunity is not the only cause of hyperthyroidism. It can be

caused by nodules that are overproducing or other factors. So no, not everybody

with Hyperthyroidism has autoimmunity.

Meanwhile, incase you're interested in some energetic/mental emotional stuff,

hyperthyroidism in that respect can be caused by " feeling left out " or

" jealous " . Boy I can see Val's face now when she reads this!! LOL

Re: methimazole

>>People with both Graves and Hashis antibodies typically swing back

and forth between slight hypo and slight hyper throughout their

lives, and then sometimes the fluctuations become more extreme and

longer. If antibodies are present, there is some thyroid destruction

going on whether the thyroid is still functioning normally or not. >>

Hi Cathy,

I'm jumping in here with a question of my own: have you ever heard of

someone diagnosed with Graves who does not have antibodies? I have been

dx'ed with Graves despite the fact that I've never tested positive for

the antibodies. I started out as hyper (treated with PTU and meth.), was

euthyroid for some years and now am hypo. I've never been satisfactorily

treated on anti-thyroid meds and I have trouble with my armour dosing,

too.

Thanks for any light you can shed.

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

I'll jump in here since I've read Shomon's book, " Living Well with Grave's

Disease " . Autoimmunity is not the only cause of hyperthyroidism. It can be

caused by nodules that are overproducing or other factors. So no, not everybody

with Hyperthyroidism has autoimmunity.

Meanwhile, incase you're interested in some energetic/mental emotional stuff,

hyperthyroidism in that respect can be caused by " feeling left out " or

" jealous " . Boy I can see Val's face now when she reads this!! LOL

Re: methimazole

>>People with both Graves and Hashis antibodies typically swing back

and forth between slight hypo and slight hyper throughout their

lives, and then sometimes the fluctuations become more extreme and

longer. If antibodies are present, there is some thyroid destruction

going on whether the thyroid is still functioning normally or not. >>

Hi Cathy,

I'm jumping in here with a question of my own: have you ever heard of

someone diagnosed with Graves who does not have antibodies? I have been

dx'ed with Graves despite the fact that I've never tested positive for

the antibodies. I started out as hyper (treated with PTU and meth.), was

euthyroid for some years and now am hypo. I've never been satisfactorily

treated on anti-thyroid meds and I have trouble with my armour dosing,

too.

Thanks for any light you can shed.

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

I'll jump in here since I've read Shomon's book, " Living Well with Grave's

Disease " . Autoimmunity is not the only cause of hyperthyroidism. It can be

caused by nodules that are overproducing or other factors. So no, not everybody

with Hyperthyroidism has autoimmunity.

Meanwhile, incase you're interested in some energetic/mental emotional stuff,

hyperthyroidism in that respect can be caused by " feeling left out " or

" jealous " . Boy I can see Val's face now when she reads this!! LOL

Re: methimazole

>>People with both Graves and Hashis antibodies typically swing back

and forth between slight hypo and slight hyper throughout their

lives, and then sometimes the fluctuations become more extreme and

longer. If antibodies are present, there is some thyroid destruction

going on whether the thyroid is still functioning normally or not. >>

Hi Cathy,

I'm jumping in here with a question of my own: have you ever heard of

someone diagnosed with Graves who does not have antibodies? I have been

dx'ed with Graves despite the fact that I've never tested positive for

the antibodies. I started out as hyper (treated with PTU and meth.), was

euthyroid for some years and now am hypo. I've never been satisfactorily

treated on anti-thyroid meds and I have trouble with my armour dosing,

too.

Thanks for any light you can shed.

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

I think I understand what you are saying, but wouldn't any RT3 created

while a person was on methimazole stick around for a long time,

continuing to cause trouble?

sol

cathyedens wrote:

> ,

> The action of methimazole is temporary, so it only impacts conversion

> while you take it. It has a half life of 3 or 4 days, so its out of

> your system very quickly. If the hypothyroidism is truly caused by

> methimazole, thyroid levels will increase after the person stops taking

> it.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think I understand what you are saying, but wouldn't any RT3 created

while a person was on methimazole stick around for a long time,

continuing to cause trouble?

sol

cathyedens wrote:

> ,

> The action of methimazole is temporary, so it only impacts conversion

> while you take it. It has a half life of 3 or 4 days, so its out of

> your system very quickly. If the hypothyroidism is truly caused by

> methimazole, thyroid levels will increase after the person stops taking

> it.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think I understand what you are saying, but wouldn't any RT3 created

while a person was on methimazole stick around for a long time,

continuing to cause trouble?

sol

cathyedens wrote:

> ,

> The action of methimazole is temporary, so it only impacts conversion

> while you take it. It has a half life of 3 or 4 days, so its out of

> your system very quickly. If the hypothyroidism is truly caused by

> methimazole, thyroid levels will increase after the person stops taking

> it.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Agree - not all hyperthyroidism is caused by autoimmunity. But if it

were caused by jealousy then about half of the US population would

have it. LOL.

Cathy

>

> I'll jump in here since I've read Shomon's book, " Living Well

with Grave's Disease " . Autoimmunity is not the only cause of

hyperthyroidism. It can be caused by nodules that are overproducing

or other factors. So no, not everybody with Hyperthyroidism has

autoimmunity.

>

> Meanwhile, incase you're interested in some energetic/mental

emotional stuff, hyperthyroidism in that respect can be caused

by " feeling left out " or " jealous " . Boy I can see Val's face now

when she reads this!! LOL

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Agree - not all hyperthyroidism is caused by autoimmunity. But if it

were caused by jealousy then about half of the US population would

have it. LOL.

Cathy

>

> I'll jump in here since I've read Shomon's book, " Living Well

with Grave's Disease " . Autoimmunity is not the only cause of

hyperthyroidism. It can be caused by nodules that are overproducing

or other factors. So no, not everybody with Hyperthyroidism has

autoimmunity.

>

> Meanwhile, incase you're interested in some energetic/mental

emotional stuff, hyperthyroidism in that respect can be caused

by " feeling left out " or " jealous " . Boy I can see Val's face now

when she reads this!! LOL

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Half? I think about 90% of people.

-----Original Message-----

Agree - not all hyperthyroidism is caused by autoimmunity. But if it

were caused by jealousy then about half of the US population would

have it. LOL.

Cathy

.

[Guest guest]

Half? I think about 90% of people.

-----Original Message-----

Agree - not all hyperthyroidism is caused by autoimmunity. But if it

were caused by jealousy then about half of the US population would

have it. LOL.

Cathy

.

[Guest guest]

I just had to throw that in there for a laugh although I have read it in many

places, including Carolyn Myss and Louise Hay.

Re: methimazole

Agree - not all hyperthyroidism is caused by autoimmunity. But if it

were caused by jealousy then about half of the US population would

have it. LOL.

Cathy

>

> I'll jump in here since I've read Shomon's book, " Living Well

with Grave's Disease " . Autoimmunity is not the only cause of

hyperthyroidism. It can be caused by nodules that are overproducing

or other factors. So no, not everybody with Hyperthyroidism has

autoimmunity.

>

> Meanwhile, incase you're interested in some energetic/mental

emotional stuff, hyperthyroidism in that respect can be caused

by " feeling left out " or " jealous " . Boy I can see Val's face now

when she reads this!! LOL

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just had to throw that in there for a laugh although I have read it in many

places, including Carolyn Myss and Louise Hay.

Re: methimazole

Agree - not all hyperthyroidism is caused by autoimmunity. But if it

were caused by jealousy then about half of the US population would

have it. LOL.

Cathy

>

> I'll jump in here since I've read Shomon's book, " Living Well

with Grave's Disease " . Autoimmunity is not the only cause of

hyperthyroidism. It can be caused by nodules that are overproducing

or other factors. So no, not everybody with Hyperthyroidism has

autoimmunity.

>

> Meanwhile, incase you're interested in some energetic/mental

emotional stuff, hyperthyroidism in that respect can be caused

by " feeling left out " or " jealous " . Boy I can see Val's face now

when she reads this!! LOL

>

>

>