ESE Advisory Council - Survey on Field Trips in Public Schools (not private)

[Guest guest]

Dear Families,

It came to the ESE Advisory Council's attention that ESE students are not

allowed on field trips in some of our schools.

Please take a moment to go on our website and take this anonymous survey.

http://browardeseadvisory.com/Survey.html

Thank you for your involvement !

Nathalie

Broward ESE Advisory Council - Chairperson

nathalie.adams@...

[Guest guest]

I'm surprised that this is such a surprise. We discussed it years ago in the ESE Advisory and it hasn't gotten any better and now its news again? Do you think that the ESE administration hasn't known this was a problem and chose to ignore it for so long? To: sList Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:11 PM Subject: ESE Advisory Council - Survey on Field Trips in Public Schools (not private)

Dear Families,

It came to the ESE Advisory Council's attention that ESE students are not allowed on field trips in some of our schools.

Please take a moment to go on our website and take this anonymous survey.

http://browardeseadvisory.com/Survey.html

Thank you for your involvement !

Nathalie

Broward ESE Advisory Council - Chairperson

mailto:nathalie.adams%40ymail.com

[Guest guest]

The ESE Department did address this a couple of years ago. They told all the ESE

specialists at their start of the school year meeting that they had to include

ESE students on class wide field trips.

When asked why this was still occurring last year the response was " we can't

police 260 schools. "

I believe what happens is that the schools that have a history of this lazy and

illegal behavior just backslide into their old ways.

This is discrimination, should not be tolerated, and needs to be addresses with

the principal and the District as soon as it occurs. An Office of Civil Right

complaint would be in order.

Steve

>

> I'm surprised that this is such a surprise.  We discussed it years ago in

the ESE Advisory and it hasn't gotten any better and now its news again?  Do

you think that the ESE administration hasn't known this was a problem and chose

to ignore it for so long? 

>

>

>

> >________________________________

> > From: nathaliecj

> >To: sList

> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:11 PM

> >Subject: ESE Advisory Council - Survey on Field Trips in Public

Schools (not private)

> >

> >

> > 

> >

> >Dear Families,

> >

> >It came to the ESE Advisory Council's attention that ESE students are not

allowed on field trips in some of our schools.

> >

> >Please take a moment to go on our website and take this anonymous survey.

> >

> >http://browardeseadvisory.com/Survey.html

> >

> >Thank you for your involvement !

> >

> >Nathalie

> >Broward ESE Advisory Council - Chairperson

> >mailto:nathalie.adams%40ymail.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I know it was talked last year...and the year before at the Advisory. This is

why we are taking on this issue...and collecting data as we will move forward

and " motivate " the district to do something about it. I have very good

confidence that we can make it better for our ESE students regarding this issue.

We will keep families updated on this issue....very soon.

Thank you everyone for your involvement and cooperation in helping us gathering

the data we need to push this further.

Nathalie

Broward ESE Advisory Council, Chairperson

>

> I'm surprised that this is such a surprise.  We discussed it years ago in

the ESE Advisory and it hasn't gotten any better and now its news again?  Do

you think that the ESE administration hasn't known this was a problem and chose

to ignore it for so long? 

>

>

>

> >________________________________

> > From: nathaliecj

> >To: sList

> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:11 PM

> >Subject: ESE Advisory Council - Survey on Field Trips in Public

Schools (not private)

> >

> >

> > 

> >

> >Dear Families,

> >

> >It came to the ESE Advisory Council's attention that ESE students are not

allowed on field trips in some of our schools.

> >

> >Please take a moment to go on our website and take this anonymous survey.

> >

> >http://browardeseadvisory.com/Survey.html

> >

> >Thank you for your involvement !

> >

> >Nathalie

> >Broward ESE Advisory Council - Chairperson

> >mailto:nathalie.adams%40ymail.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

And you don't believe there's repercussions when you do this? Just saying. To:

sList Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:52 PM Subject: Re: ESE Advisory Council - Survey on Field Trips in Public Schools (not private)

The ESE Department did address this a couple of years ago. They told all the ESE specialists at their start of the school year meeting that they had to include ESE students on class wide field trips.

When asked why this was still occurring last year the response was "we can't police 260 schools."

I believe what happens is that the schools that have a history of this lazy and illegal behavior just backslide into their old ways.

This is discrimination, should not be tolerated, and needs to be addresses with the principal and the District as soon as it occurs. An Office of Civil Right complaint would be in order.

Steve

>

> I'm surprised that this is such a surprise. We discussed it years ago in the ESE Advisory and it hasn't gotten any better and now its news again? Do you think that the ESE administration hasn't known this was a problem and chose to ignore it for so long?Â

>

>

>

> >________________________________

> >

> >To: mailto:sList%40yahoogroups.com

> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:11 PM

> >Subject: ESE Advisory Council - Survey on Field Trips in Public Schools (not private)

> >

> >

> >Â

> >

> >Dear Families,

> >

> >It came to the ESE Advisory Council's attention that ESE students are not allowed on field trips in some of our schools.

> >

> >Please take a moment to go on our website and take this anonymous survey.

> >

> >http://browardeseadvisory.com/Survey.html

> >

> >Thank you for your involvement !

> >

> >Nathalie

> >Broward ESE Advisory Council - Chairperson

> >mailto:nathalie.adams%40ymail.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I would hope there would be positive repercussions, the option would be to do

nothing and allow this discrimination to continue.

I don't play well with bully's

Steve

cheryl wrote:

>

> And you don't believe there's repercussions when you do this?  Just saying.

>

>

>

> >________________________________

> > From: Steve

> >To: sList

> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:52 PM

> >Subject: Re: ESE Advisory Council - Survey on Field Trips in

Public Schools (not private)

> >

> >

> > 

> >

> >The ESE Department did address this a couple of years ago. They told all the

ESE specialists at their start of the school year meeting that they had to

include ESE students on class wide field trips.

> >

> >When asked why this was still occurring last year the response was " we can't

police 260 schools. "

> >

> >I believe what happens is that the schools that have a history of this lazy

and illegal behavior just backslide into their old ways.

> >

> >This is discrimination, should not be tolerated, and needs to be addresses

with the principal and the District as soon as it occurs. An Office of Civil

Right complaint would be in order.

> >

> >Steve

> >

> >

> >>

> >> I'm surprised that this is such a surprise.  We discussed it years

ago in the ESE Advisory and it hasn't gotten any better and now its news

again?  Do you think that the ESE administration hasn't known this was a

problem and chose to ignore it for so long? 

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> >________________________________

> >> > From: nathaliecj

> >> >To: mailto:sList%40yahoogroups.com

> >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:11 PM

> >> >Subject: ESE Advisory Council - Survey on Field Trips in

Public Schools (not private)

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > 

> >> >

> >> >Dear Families,

> >> >

> >> >It came to the ESE Advisory Council's attention that ESE students are not

allowed on field trips in some of our schools.

> >> >

> >> >Please take a moment to go on our website and take this anonymous survey.

> >> >

> >> >http://browardeseadvisory.com/Survey.html

> >> >

> >> >Thank you for your involvement !

> >> >

> >> >Nathalie

> >> >Broward ESE Advisory Council - Chairperson

> >> >mailto:nathalie.adams%40ymail.com

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

As a parent of a severely special needs child who is in the Broward school system, who was in a harness until last year and now uses a seat belt and as a tour operator who handles in state and out of State field trips for Broward County school, I need to express something to you all. I don't no what schools are not allowing these children not to go however, I have come across issues because the buses are NOT equipped for students who are in Harnesses.There are NO buses on the Broward County RFP

list(and I am talking motor coaches) equipped to handle a Harness. Only wheel chairs accessible as well as buses, with seat belts and there is even a bus company that has a 3 point seat belt. But NON of these buses are equipped for a harness. Only School buses are. However they do not go out of the Tri county area. Parents who students are in a harness and what their child to attend an out of county field trip that does not include Dade Palm beach or West Palm where we can use a school bus have to make a decision. The parent must either drive or signing some form or a waver that allows the child to sit in a seat belt or 3 point system with an adult next to them. Or follow the bus with your child in your car. The motor coaches are not and will never be equipped to handle harness. To: sList Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:24 PM Subject: Re: ESE Advisory Council - Survey on Field Trips in Public Schools (not private)

I would hope there would be positive repercussions, the option would be to do nothing and allow this discrimination to continue.

I don't play well with bully's

Steve

cheryl wrote:

>

> And you don't believe there's repercussions when you do this? Just saying.

>

>

>

> >________________________________

> >

> >To: sList

> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:52 PM

> >Subject: Re: ESE Advisory Council - Survey on Field Trips in Public Schools (not private)

> >

> >

> >Â

> >

> >The ESE Department did address this a couple of years ago. They told all the ESE specialists at their start of the school year meeting that they had to include ESE students on class wide field trips.

> >

> >When asked why this was still occurring last year the response was "we can't police 260 schools."

> >

> >I believe what happens is that the schools that have a history of this lazy and illegal behavior just backslide into their old ways.

> >

> >This is discrimination, should not be tolerated, and needs to be addresses with the principal and the District as soon as it occurs. An Office of Civil Right complaint would be in order.

> >

> >Steve

> >

> >

> >>

> >> I'm surprised that this is such a surprise. We discussed it years ago in the ESE Advisory and it hasn't gotten any better and now its news again? Do you think that the ESE administration hasn't known this was a problem and chose to ignore it for so long?ÂÂ

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> >________________________________

> >> > From: nathaliecj <nathalie.adams@>

> >> >To: mailto:sList%40yahoogroups.com

> >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:11 PM

> >> >Subject: ESE Advisory Council - Survey on Field Trips in Public Schools (not private)

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >ÂÂ

> >> >

> >> >Dear Families,

> >> >

> >> >It came to the ESE Advisory Council's attention that ESE students are not allowed on field trips in some of our schools.

> >> >

> >> >Please take a moment to go on our website and take this anonymous survey.

> >> >

> >> >http://browardeseadvisory.com/Survey.html

> >> >

> >> >Thank you for your involvement !

> >> >

> >> >Nathalie

> >> >Broward ESE Advisory Council - Chairperson

> >> >mailto:nathalie.adams%40ymail.com

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Harnesses are typically for elopers. This option: " Â signing some form or a

waver that allows the child to sit in a seat belt or 3 point system with an

adult next to them. " seems a reasonable option. A liability release is a

violation and not necessary regardless of what the school may say.

The District must provide whatever supports are necessary to include disabled

students on classwide field trips, PERIOD.

This is basic civil rights, and is clearly spelled out in Federal Law, State

Law, FLDOE Rules and District Policy:

It's like on page ONE of the rule book:

http://www.fldoe.org/ese/pdf/1b-stats.pdf

1000.05 Discrimination against students and employees in the Florida K-20 public

education system prohibited; equality of access required.–(1) This section may

be cited as the " Florida Educational Equity Act. " (2) (a) Discrimination on the

basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, gender, disability, or marital status

against a student or an employee in the state system of public K-20 education is

prohibited. No person in this state shall, on the basis of race, ethnicity,

national origin, gender, disability, or marital status, be excluded from

participation in, be benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any

public K-20 education program or activity, or in any employment conditions or

practices, conducted by a public educational institution that receives or

benefits from federal or state financial assistance.

Steve

> > >>

> > >> I'm surprised that this is such a surprise.  We discussed

it years ago in the ESE Advisory and it hasn't gotten any better and now its

news again?  Do you think that the ESE administration hasn't known this

was a problem and chose to ignore it for so long? 

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> >________________________________

> > >> > From: nathaliecj

> > >> >To: mailto:sList%40yahoogroups.com

> > >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:11 PM

> > >> >Subject: ESE Advisory Council - Survey on Field Trips in

Public Schools (not private)

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > 

> > >> >

> > >> >Dear Families,

> > >> >

> > >> >It came to the ESE Advisory Council's attention that ESE students are

not allowed on field trips in some of our schools.

> > >> >

> > >> >Please take a moment to go on our website and take this anonymous

survey.

> > >> >

> > >> >http://browardeseadvisory.com/Survey.html

> > >> >

> > >> >Thank you for your involvement !

> > >> >

> > >> >Nathalie

> > >> >Broward ESE Advisory Council - Chairperson

> > >> >mailto:nathalie.adams%40ymail.com

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Parents,

By the responses we received we WILL look more into this issue.

IT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW THE SCHOOL NAMES. Be sure that it would be

confidential: send the name of the PUBLIC/CHARTER school at

browardeseadvisory@...

To take the survey click here. http://browardeseadvisory.com/Survey.html

Its all about the kids and common sense.

- Example: If a child would be completely miserable the WHOLE trip at Disney

World in February (season period) because sensory issue...and that the only time

he enjoy the trip is when he sleep (if he does sleep) then a field trip might

not be recommended. Its all about the child....but if the fact that the parent

would help in that situation and make it possible for the child to go.....then

ALL(elementary-middle and high) schools should allow the parent to go.

- If a child has behavior problem and they are " outbust " this person should be

allowed to go on field trips with the right " trained staff " to deal with the

situation.

Bottom line....I dont see too many reason for students not to be allowed on

field trips....unless the student would be miserable the WHOLE time. If the

student can be made comfortable to go and enjoy the field trip.....then support

should be provided.

PARENT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GO ON THOSE FIELD TRIP IF IT WOULD MAKE POSSIBLE FOR

THE CHILD TO GO AND ENJOY THIS EXPERIENCE. PARENTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GO IF IT

WOULD MAKE A BETTER EXPERIENCE FOR THE CHILD.

NATHALIE

>

> Dear Families,

>

> It came to the ESE Advisory Council's attention that ESE students are not

allowed on field trips in some of our schools.

>

> Please take a moment to go on our website and take this anonymous survey.

>

> http://browardeseadvisory.com/Survey.html

>

> Thank you for your involvement !

>

> Nathalie

> Broward ESE Advisory Council - Chairperson

> nathalie.adams@...

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've seen & experienced the "ignore & wait them out for as long as we can" syndrome.Sent from my iPad

I would hope there would be positive repercussions, the option would be to do nothing and allow this discrimination to continue.

I don't play well with bully's

Steve

cheryl wrote:

>

> And you don't believe there's repercussions when you do this? Just saying.

>

>

>

> >________________________________

> >

> >To: sList

> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:52 PM

> >Subject: Re: ESE Advisory Council - Survey on Field Trips in Public Schools (not private)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >The ESE Department did address this a couple of years ago. They told all the ESE specialists at their start of the school year meeting that they had to include ESE students on class wide field trips.

> >

> >When asked why this was still occurring last year the response was "we can't police 260 schools."

> >

> >I believe what happens is that the schools that have a history of this lazy and illegal behavior just backslide into their old ways.

> >

> >This is discrimination, should not be tolerated, and needs to be addresses with the principal and the District as soon as it occurs. An Office of Civil Right complaint would be in order.

> >

> >Steve

> >

> >

> >>

> >> I'm surprised that this is such a surprise. We discussed it years ago in the ESE Advisory and it hasn't gotten any better and now its news again? Do you think that the ESE administration hasn't known this was a problem and chose to ignore it for so long?Â

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> >________________________________

> >> > From: nathaliecj <nathalie.adams@>

> >> >To: mailto:sList%40yahoogroups.com

> >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:11 PM

> >> >Subject: ESE Advisory Council - Survey on Field Trips in Public Schools (not private)

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >Â

> >> >

> >> >Dear Families,

> >> >

> >> >It came to the ESE Advisory Council's attention that ESE students are not allowed on field trips in some of our schools.

> >> >

> >> >Please take a moment to go on our website and take this anonymous survey.

> >> >

> >> >http://browardeseadvisory.com/Survey.html

> >> >

> >> >Thank you for your involvement !

> >> >

> >> >Nathalie

> >> >Broward ESE Advisory Council - Chairperson

> >> >mailto:nathalie.adams%40ymail.com

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Dear Families,

> >

> > It came to the ESE Advisory Council's attention that ESE students are not

allowed on field trips in some of our schools.

> >

> > Please take a moment to go on our website and take this anonymous survey.

> >

> > http://browardeseadvisory.com/Survey.html

> >

> > Thank you for your involvement !

> >

> > Nathalie

> > Broward ESE Advisory Council - Chairperson

> > nathalie.adams@

> >

> >

>