Re: questions on Comprehensive Liver Detoxification profile

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> So I believe i have the right test kit, Great Smokies is now Genova

> Diagnostics? Correct

Yes.

> Also, I am assuming I check off all profile components to be tested

> as i did not have time to go through the kit in detail with the

> doctor today

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> * Caffeine clearance

> * Cysteine

> * Sulfate

> * acetominaphen derivatives

> * Salicylate derivatives

> * Lipid peroxides, urine

> * Gluatathione

> * Gluahione Peroxidase

> * Superoxide Dismutase?

In case you are not aware, they no longer do plasma cysteine and

plasma sulfate. They now do serum testing of these components,

which is different information and not a substitute for plasma

testing. Sorry to tell you that as these used to be important

tests that Andy recommended. The rest of the test may be

informative, however.

> Also Great News

> I have found a dr who is agreeable to helping me with these tests

> and monitoring/facilitating my progress using the Cutler protocol

> (i.e. open to Hydro-cortiosne for adrenal weakness)

Mind if I ask who it is and where she is located?

> She is even agreeable to having a phone consulation with andy (I

> believe I have read on here that he will do these as long as a doctor

> takes responsibility. I have a spare AI book which I am going to give

> her. Hopefully this will be a medical source for other people to use

> in the SF-Bay area. She was very interested in learning more about

> Andy's protocol... I will keep you posted

If she hasn't read the book yet, it seems like a question mark.

But open-minded is a good thing.

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Thanks

questions and comments to your comments

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> Also, I am assuming I check off all profile components to be tested

> as i did not have time to go through the kit in detail with the

> doctor today

> * Caffeine clearance

> * Cysteine

> * Sulfate

> * acetominaphen derivatives

> * Salicylate derivatives

> * Lipid peroxides, urine

> * Gluatathione

> * Gluahione Peroxidase

> * Superoxide Dismutase?

> In case you are not aware, they no longer do plasma cysteine and

> plasma sulfate. They now do serum testing of these components,

> which is different information and not a substitute for plasma

> testing. Sorry to tell you that as these used to be important

> tests that Andy recommended. The rest of the test may be

> informative, however.

QUESTION TO STEPHANIE

So does that mean i should consider doing a plasma cysteine and

plasma sulfate test elsewhere as andy still recommends them or

when you say andy used to recommend them that they are not now as

important in andy's protocol?

I did call Genova and get some clarification on the timing of the

salive/urine/blood test so I could call them back easy enough

>

> Also Great News

> I have found a dr who is agreeable to helping me with these tests

> and monitoring/facilitating my progress using the Cutler protocol

> (i.e. open to Hydro-cortiosne for adrenal weakness)

> Mind if I ask who it is and where she is located?

TO STEPHANIE

Yes, Dr Chan in Mill Valley California, working at the

Clear Center of health

> She is even agreeable to having a phone consulation with andy (I

> believe I have read on here that he will do these as long as a

doctor

> takes responsibility. I have a spare AI book which I am going to

give her. Hopefully this will be a medical source for other people to

use

> in the SF-Bay area. She was very interested in learning more about

> Andy's protocol... I will keep you posted

> If she hasn't read the book yet, it seems like a question mark.

> But open-minded is a good thing.

TO

sorry i do not quite understand your comments, " it seems like a

question mark " ...

I am sure she has some preconceived notions that will be a challenge

to overcome, but the nice thing is she is just getting her shingle

set up within the confines of another clinic. (a good sign)

I was given her name from my crainial sacral therapist who indictad

that she (Dr Chan) had taken training classes from my therapist on

Cranial sacral (another good sign);

she was completely agreeable to me not doing dmsa and dpms challenges

as she says she often trys some of these new treatments on herself

before prescribing them and had a terrible reaction to I believe it

was a dmsa IV (good sign).

I sense that she is open to learning and her mind is not closed which

is more than half the battle (I will keep my fingers crossed and keep

you posted). I tried to convincingly give her some of the highlights

of Andy's protocol and how just a few things had slightly improved my

health and what few things had meesed me up mentally in the last year

(Chorella and cilantro)

Thank you

[Guest guest]

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I just arranged a consult with Andy - just call the number in the book

and leave a message. It was that simple. He will call you back and

explain how that works and send you forms that tell you what he needs

from you. He will do a file review first. He is consulting with my

ND. It is a wonderful way to short-cut the learning my care provider

has to do.

Colette

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> QUESTION TO STEPHANIE

> So does that mean i should consider doing a plasma cysteine and

> plasma sulfate test elsewhere as andy still recommends them or

> when you say andy used to recommend them that they are not now as

> important in andy's protocol?

> I did call Genova and get some clarification on the timing of the

> salive/urine/blood test so I could call them back easy enough

Genova was the only lab that did the plasma cysteine and sulfate.

Unfortunately, there is no longer a lab that does them.

Andy still recommends figuring out whether you tolerate cysteine

by doing a trial of elimination of sulfur foods. I think you already

decided you don't do well on them.

I am not sure how he recommends determining sulfate - if you have

problems with phenols/salicylates that would be one sign you need

more sulfate.

> TO STEPHANIE

> Yes, Dr Chan in Mill Valley California, working at the

> Clear Center of health

Thanks, I'm glad to be aware of her.

> TO

> sorry i do not quite understand your comments, " it seems like a

> question mark " ...

If she is open to signing Andy's forms and doing the consult, that

is useful. This doesn't prevent her from recommending things that

are harmful. You still need to consider her advice carefully before

acting on it.

Neither reading the book nor consulting with Andy will cause her to

suddenly have all of his ideas loaded into her brain with full and

perfect understanding. I'm sure Andy's file review will be helpful,

but she is not going to check with him about every suggestion she

makes to you going forward.

> I am sure she has some preconceived notions that will be a challenge

> to overcome, but the nice thing is she is just getting her shingle

> set up within the confines of another clinic. (a good sign)

> I was given her name from my crainial sacral therapist who indictad

> that she (Dr Chan) had taken training classes from my therapist on

> Cranial sacral (another good sign);

> she was completely agreeable to me not doing dmsa and dpms challenges

> as she says she often trys some of these new treatments on herself

> before prescribing them and had a terrible reaction to I believe it

> was a dmsa IV (good sign).

> I sense that she is open to learning and her mind is not closed which

> is more than half the battle (I will keep my fingers crossed and keep

> you posted). I tried to convincingly give her some of the highlights

> of Andy's protocol and how just a few things had slihtly improved my

> health and what few things had meesed me up mentally in the last year

> (Chorella and cilantro)

These signs are no indication of how well she will understand and

follow Andy's ideas. If she is open-minded, that is great, but it

isn't enough.

She may be fine. I am only suggesting that you continue to exercise

good caution in choosing each step of your treatment. Maybe you

don't need to hear this - maybe I am just reminding myself

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thanks I totally know what you are getting at which is safguarding what

little health i have left, so i truly apreciate your words of caution;

you and I have seen too many dick-head dr's who have this close minded

god complex that they know how to treat you and can cure all with their

snake oil.

she seems genuinely open to what Andy says is a no no...ie chorella and

cilantro, no sulphur. I made it pretty clear even though I did not use

these words that " she is along for the ride with me " , my AI book and

Andy's consultation

You're great

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> These signs are no indication of how well she will understand and

> follow Andy's ideas. If she is open-minded, that is great, but it

> isn't enough.

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> She may be fine. I am only suggesting that you continue to exercise

> good caution in choosing each step of your treatment. Maybe you

> don't need to hear this - maybe I am just reminding myself

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