Re: Val - benefits of taking T3 only

[Guest guest]

>>Of course I will see what my labs say on Monday (my doc closes on

Fridays), but are some people just better off adding straight T3

instead of adding more armour and if so, why? I can't believe how much

better I feel!<<

I would say this is a good sign you have high RT3. THTA is when Armoru with it's

T4 component can make oyou feel worse adn more T3 really helps. Contrary ti

popular belief most the time the balance of T4 to T3 in Armoru is great for most

people, whne it is not thwere is a conversin or a utilization problem.

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[Guest guest]

>>Of course I will see what my labs say on Monday (my doc closes on

Fridays), but are some people just better off adding straight T3

instead of adding more armour and if so, why? I can't believe how much

better I feel!<<

I would say this is a good sign you have high RT3. THTA is when Armoru with it's

T4 component can make oyou feel worse adn more T3 really helps. Contrary ti

popular belief most the time the balance of T4 to T3 in Armoru is great for most

people, whne it is not thwere is a conversin or a utilization problem.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>>Of course I will see what my labs say on Monday (my doc closes on

Fridays), but are some people just better off adding straight T3

instead of adding more armour and if so, why? I can't believe how much

better I feel!<<

I would say this is a good sign you have high RT3. THTA is when Armoru with it's

T4 component can make oyou feel worse adn more T3 really helps. Contrary ti

popular belief most the time the balance of T4 to T3 in Armoru is great for most

people, whne it is not thwere is a conversin or a utilization problem.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

How is RT3 tested? I had all of my antibodies tested this time (TSI,

TBII and TPO). Would it be reflected in any of these tests?

Debhie

>

> >>Of course I will see what my labs say on Monday (my doc closes on

> Fridays), but are some people just better off adding straight T3

> instead of adding more armour and if so, why? I can't believe how

much

> better I feel!<<

>

> I would say this is a good sign you have high RT3. THTA is when

Armoru with it's T4 component can make oyou feel worse adn more T3

really helps. Contrary ti popular belief most the time the balance of

T4 to T3 in Armoru is great for most people, whne it is not thwere is

a conversin or a utilization problem.

>

> --

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>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

How is RT3 tested? I had all of my antibodies tested this time (TSI,

TBII and TPO). Would it be reflected in any of these tests?

Debhie

>

> >>Of course I will see what my labs say on Monday (my doc closes on

> Fridays), but are some people just better off adding straight T3

> instead of adding more armour and if so, why? I can't believe how

much

> better I feel!<<

>

> I would say this is a good sign you have high RT3. THTA is when

Armoru with it's T4 component can make oyou feel worse adn more T3

really helps. Contrary ti popular belief most the time the balance of

T4 to T3 in Armoru is great for most people, whne it is not thwere is

a conversin or a utilization problem.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

How is RT3 tested? I had all of my antibodies tested this time (TSI,

TBII and TPO). Would it be reflected in any of these tests?

Debhie

>

> >>Of course I will see what my labs say on Monday (my doc closes on

> Fridays), but are some people just better off adding straight T3

> instead of adding more armour and if so, why? I can't believe how

much

> better I feel!<<

>

> I would say this is a good sign you have high RT3. THTA is when

Armoru with it's T4 component can make oyou feel worse adn more T3

really helps. Contrary ti popular belief most the time the balance of

T4 to T3 in Armoru is great for most people, whne it is not thwere is

a conversin or a utilization problem.

>

> --

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>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

It figures! Just when I think I have had every test possible,

there's another one I need! It will have to wait for my next

visit I guess. I don't want to go in for just this and chances are

my doc will tell me to wait! At least I have possibly figured out

another piece of the puzzle!

Debbie

>

> I had mine done with the rest of my bloodwork. It has to be checked

off

> separately though.

>

> Cherie

>

> Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do

you

> learn.--C.S.

>

> >

> > How is RT3 tested? I had all of my antibodies tested this time

(TSI,

> > TBII and TPO). Would it be reflected in any of these tests?

> >

> > Debhie

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

No RT3 is called reverse T3 and is a separate test. It should be done

with a Free T3 as the ratio odf the two tells alot more than the ranges

of eihter.

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[Guest guest]

I had mine done with the rest of my bloodwork. It has to be checked off

separately though.

Cherie

Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you

learn.--C.S.

>

> How is RT3 tested? I had all of my antibodies tested this time (TSI,

> TBII and TPO). Would it be reflected in any of these tests?

>

> Debhie

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I had mine done with the rest of my bloodwork. It has to be checked off

separately though.

Cherie

Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you

learn.--C.S.

>

> How is RT3 tested? I had all of my antibodies tested this time (TSI,

> TBII and TPO). Would it be reflected in any of these tests?

>

> Debhie

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I had mine done with the rest of my bloodwork. It has to be checked off

separately though.

Cherie

Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you

learn.--C.S.

>

> How is RT3 tested? I had all of my antibodies tested this time (TSI,

> TBII and TPO). Would it be reflected in any of these tests?

>

> Debhie

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Just to clarify for me, when we say RT3, is this something that blocks

the absorbtion of Free T3 that is in our bloodstream to the cells in

our body or does it slow down the conversion of T3 from T4?

>

> No RT3 is called reverse T3 and is a separate test. It should be done

> with a Free T3 as the ratio odf the two tells alot more than the

ranges

> of eihter.

>

> --

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>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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>

[Guest guest]

>>Just to clarify for me, when we say RT3, is this something that blocks

the absorbtion of Free T3 that is in our bloodstream to the cells in

our body or does it slow down the conversion of T3 from T4? <<

RT3 is an inactive metabolite f T4 that binds to the same receptors as T3 in the

body thus bloicking T3 from entering the cells as it is in their receptors. It

can be the result of poor conversion of T4 to T3.

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[Guest guest]

Val,

You stated previously that the cause of this is high or low cortisol. Why then

would you still have this problem or have had this problem and not be converting

and need T3 only if your cortisol is okay now.

My doc's email seemed to indicate this is not a standard HYPOt problem and it

seems to be another problem to me, although you still call it " hypothyroidism "

it seems to be much more in line with " 's Thyroid Syndrome " , unless that's

nothing more than HypoT also.

Re: Val - benefits of taking T3 only

>>Just to clarify for me, when we say RT3, is this something that blocks

the absorbtion of Free T3 that is in our bloodstream to the cells in

our body or does it slow down the conversion of T3 from T4? <<

RT3 is an inactive metabolite f T4 that binds to the same receptors as T3 in

the body thus bloicking T3 from entering the cells as it is in their receptors.

It can be the result of poor conversion of T4 to T3.

--

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>>You stated previously that the cause of this is high or low cortisol. Why

then would you still have this problem or have had this problem and not be

converting and need T3 only if your cortisol is okay now.<<

Well two things wrong here. First I do nto know ny cortios is OK now. My AM

cortisll is DOWN that I do know from both my glucose in the Am which I no longer

have this ridiculous Dawn Rise, even for a Diabetic irt was WAY higher than

normal and ois now normal, and from the symptoms of oversleeping. I may have

moved to low cortiosl now. Can tell as I am still on HC but I do nto have low BP

so I don;t think it si real low if at all. I am also only on T3 NOW waiting to

get correct slaiva labs. That and I just haven't bothered to switch back over to

Armoru. I do nto knwo that I still need JUST T3. Maybe I do maybe not.

--

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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[Guest guest]

>>You stated previously that the cause of this is high or low cortisol. Why

then would you still have this problem or have had this problem and not be

converting and need T3 only if your cortisol is okay now.<<

Well two things wrong here. First I do nto know ny cortios is OK now. My AM

cortisll is DOWN that I do know from both my glucose in the Am which I no longer

have this ridiculous Dawn Rise, even for a Diabetic irt was WAY higher than

normal and ois now normal, and from the symptoms of oversleeping. I may have

moved to low cortiosl now. Can tell as I am still on HC but I do nto have low BP

so I don;t think it si real low if at all. I am also only on T3 NOW waiting to

get correct slaiva labs. That and I just haven't bothered to switch back over to

Armoru. I do nto knwo that I still need JUST T3. Maybe I do maybe not.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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[Guest guest]

Okay Val, I undertand. In general though do you think high reverse T3 with low

T3 getting into the cells (conversion problems) IS just standard hypothyroidism

or do you consider it to be a different problem than HypoT people who take T4

and do fine. Also, do you think wilson's thyroid syndrome is just PURE

HYPYTHYRODISM being overlooked by standard testing that this doc was able

to take advantage of the medical system's big mistakes and get RICH!!

Re: Val - benefits of taking T3 only

>>You stated previously that the cause of this is high or low cortisol. Why

then would you still have this problem or have had this problem and not be

converting and need T3 only if your cortisol is okay now.<<

Well two things wrong here. First I do nto know ny cortios is OK now. My AM

cortisll is DOWN that I do know from both my glucose in the Am which I no longer

have this ridiculous Dawn Rise, even for a Diabetic irt was WAY higher than

normal and ois now normal, and from the symptoms of oversleeping. I may have

moved to low cortiosl now. Can tell as I am still on HC but I do nto have low BP

so I don;t think it si real low if at all. I am also only on T3 NOW waiting to

get correct slaiva labs. That and I just haven't bothered to switch back over to

Armoru. I do nto knwo that I still need JUST T3. Maybe I do maybe not.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Okay Val, I undertand. In general though do you think high reverse T3 with low

T3 getting into the cells (conversion problems) IS just standard hypothyroidism

or do you consider it to be a different problem than HypoT people who take T4

and do fine. Also, do you think wilson's thyroid syndrome is just PURE

HYPYTHYRODISM being overlooked by standard testing that this doc was able

to take advantage of the medical system's big mistakes and get RICH!!

Re: Val - benefits of taking T3 only

>>You stated previously that the cause of this is high or low cortisol. Why

then would you still have this problem or have had this problem and not be

converting and need T3 only if your cortisol is okay now.<<

Well two things wrong here. First I do nto know ny cortios is OK now. My AM

cortisll is DOWN that I do know from both my glucose in the Am which I no longer

have this ridiculous Dawn Rise, even for a Diabetic irt was WAY higher than

normal and ois now normal, and from the symptoms of oversleeping. I may have

moved to low cortiosl now. Can tell as I am still on HC but I do nto have low BP

so I don;t think it si real low if at all. I am also only on T3 NOW waiting to

get correct slaiva labs. That and I just haven't bothered to switch back over to

Armoru. I do nto knwo that I still need JUST T3. Maybe I do maybe not.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Okay Val, I undertand. In general though do you think high reverse T3 with low

T3 getting into the cells (conversion problems) IS just standard hypothyroidism

or do you consider it to be a different problem than HypoT people who take T4

and do fine. Also, do you think wilson's thyroid syndrome is just PURE

HYPYTHYRODISM being overlooked by standard testing that this doc was able

to take advantage of the medical system's big mistakes and get RICH!!

Re: Val - benefits of taking T3 only

>>You stated previously that the cause of this is high or low cortisol. Why

then would you still have this problem or have had this problem and not be

converting and need T3 only if your cortisol is okay now.<<

Well two things wrong here. First I do nto know ny cortios is OK now. My AM

cortisll is DOWN that I do know from both my glucose in the Am which I no longer

have this ridiculous Dawn Rise, even for a Diabetic irt was WAY higher than

normal and ois now normal, and from the symptoms of oversleeping. I may have

moved to low cortiosl now. Can tell as I am still on HC but I do nto have low BP

so I don;t think it si real low if at all. I am also only on T3 NOW waiting to

get correct slaiva labs. That and I just haven't bothered to switch back over to

Armoru. I do nto knwo that I still need JUST T3. Maybe I do maybe not.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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[Guest guest]

Oh and then someone said here the other day that antibodies from hashi's can

block the conversion of T4 to T3 and cause high RT3; is that also right, Val?

Re: Val - benefits of taking T3 only

>>You stated previously that the cause of this is high or low cortisol. Why

then would you still have this problem or have had this problem and not be

converting and need T3 only if your cortisol is okay now.<<

Well two things wrong here. First I do nto know ny cortios is OK now. My AM

cortisll is DOWN that I do know from both my glucose in the Am which I no longer

have this ridiculous Dawn Rise, even for a Diabetic irt was WAY higher than

normal and ois now normal, and from the symptoms of oversleeping. I may have

moved to low cortiosl now. Can tell as I am still on HC but I do nto have low BP

so I don;t think it si real low if at all. I am also only on T3 NOW waiting to

get correct slaiva labs. That and I just haven't bothered to switch back over to

Armoru. I do nto knwo that I still need JUST T3. Maybe I do maybe not.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Oh and then someone said here the other day that antibodies from hashi's can

block the conversion of T4 to T3 and cause high RT3; is that also right, Val?

Re: Val - benefits of taking T3 only

>>You stated previously that the cause of this is high or low cortisol. Why

then would you still have this problem or have had this problem and not be

converting and need T3 only if your cortisol is okay now.<<

Well two things wrong here. First I do nto know ny cortios is OK now. My AM

cortisll is DOWN that I do know from both my glucose in the Am which I no longer

have this ridiculous Dawn Rise, even for a Diabetic irt was WAY higher than

normal and ois now normal, and from the symptoms of oversleeping. I may have

moved to low cortiosl now. Can tell as I am still on HC but I do nto have low BP

so I don;t think it si real low if at all. I am also only on T3 NOW waiting to

get correct slaiva labs. That and I just haven't bothered to switch back over to

Armoru. I do nto knwo that I still need JUST T3. Maybe I do maybe not.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>>Okay Val, I undertand. In general though do you think high reverse T3 with

low T3 getting into the cells (conversion problems) IS just standard

hypothyroidism or do you consider it to be a different problem than HypoT people

who take T4 and do fine. <<

First I have not EVER seen anyone take just T4 for year on end and be fine. NO

ONE. If you really look at their health, they are on statins for high

clolesterol, pain or anxiety or antidepressant meds, and BPO meds. Thsi si doign

OK? NOT! RT3 is called THyroid resistance and is a separate problem from

standard hypothyroidism. In plain old HYPO the person can use Amrour and be

well. With High RT3 the T4 has become a toxin and will not be utilized properly

until the RT3 is lowered to a more normal level.

>> Also, do you think wilson's thyroid syndrome is just PURE HYPYTHYRODISM being

overlooked by standard testing that this doc was able to take advantage

of the medical system's big mistakes and get RICH!!<<

I think preys on people with RT3 probnlems, not just hypo.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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[Guest guest]

>>Okay Val, I undertand. In general though do you think high reverse T3 with

low T3 getting into the cells (conversion problems) IS just standard

hypothyroidism or do you consider it to be a different problem than HypoT people

who take T4 and do fine. <<

First I have not EVER seen anyone take just T4 for year on end and be fine. NO

ONE. If you really look at their health, they are on statins for high

clolesterol, pain or anxiety or antidepressant meds, and BPO meds. Thsi si doign

OK? NOT! RT3 is called THyroid resistance and is a separate problem from

standard hypothyroidism. In plain old HYPO the person can use Amrour and be

well. With High RT3 the T4 has become a toxin and will not be utilized properly

until the RT3 is lowered to a more normal level.

>> Also, do you think wilson's thyroid syndrome is just PURE HYPYTHYRODISM being

overlooked by standard testing that this doc was able to take advantage

of the medical system's big mistakes and get RICH!!<<

I think preys on people with RT3 probnlems, not just hypo.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>>Okay Val, I undertand. In general though do you think high reverse T3 with

low T3 getting into the cells (conversion problems) IS just standard

hypothyroidism or do you consider it to be a different problem than HypoT people

who take T4 and do fine. <<

First I have not EVER seen anyone take just T4 for year on end and be fine. NO

ONE. If you really look at their health, they are on statins for high

clolesterol, pain or anxiety or antidepressant meds, and BPO meds. Thsi si doign

OK? NOT! RT3 is called THyroid resistance and is a separate problem from

standard hypothyroidism. In plain old HYPO the person can use Amrour and be

well. With High RT3 the T4 has become a toxin and will not be utilized properly

until the RT3 is lowered to a more normal level.

>> Also, do you think wilson's thyroid syndrome is just PURE HYPYTHYRODISM being

overlooked by standard testing that this doc was able to take advantage

of the medical system's big mistakes and get RICH!!<<

I think preys on people with RT3 probnlems, not just hypo.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>>Oh and then someone said here the other day that antibodies from hashi's can

block the conversion of T4 to T3 and cause high RT3; is that also right, Val?<<

This I have not seen but may be true, but then most all with Hashi's would have

high RT3 and this is not true either.

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