Re: feedback/t3 schedule

[Guest guest]

Suzanne,

Do you post on the adrenals group? Diane is a big believer in going gluten free

if you have any Hashi antibodies at all and I have to say that I agree with her

because it certainly seemed to help me. I also had to treat candida. (Val told

me low body temp causes candida to thrive.) I never seemed to get it right,

either, and I'm finally making some progress now FINALLY. I just think the

gluten (and other food intolerances I had) were too much for my adrenals and so

I could never get anywhere. I also had come down with reactivated mono and

didn't even know it! So I had to take care of all that, all of which just taxed

my adrenals too much, I think. Just something to think about it. I think when

we've been hypoT and/or hypoadrenal for so long. so many things can get out of

whack and we have to address them sometimes.

Kathleen

> > total iron 101 (40-175)

> > iron binding cap. 325 (250-450)

> > % sat. 31 (15-50)

> > ferritin 158 (10-232)

> > RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4) FYI

> > Ferritin 3/8/2010

> > 65

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleen,

I tested negative for antibodies and I do follow a gluten free diet.

Last summer I did do treatment for candida not knowing if I had it or not. I did do a stool analysis after treatment and candida did not show up. What are your symptoms for candida?

Thanks for the suggestions, if you think of anything else please let me know. S

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010 6:20:12 PMSubject: Re: feedback/t3 schedule

Suzanne,Do you post on the adrenals group? Diane is a big believer in going gluten free if you have any Hashi antibodies at all and I have to say that I agree with her because it certainly seemed to help me. I also had to treat candida. (Val told me low body temp causes candida to thrive.) I never seemed to get it right, either, and I'm finally making some progress now FINALLY. I just think the gluten (and other food intolerances I had) were too much for my adrenals and so I could never get anywhere. I also had come down with reactivated mono and didn't even know it! So I had to take care of all that, all of which just taxed my adrenals too much, I think. Just something to think about it. I think when we've been hypoT and/or hypoadrenal for so long. so many things can get out of whack and we have to address them sometimes.Kathleen> > total iron 101 (40-175)> > iron binding cap. 325 (250-450)> > % sat. 31 (15-50)> > ferritin 158 (10-232)> > RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4) FYI> > Ferritin 3/8/2010> > 65>

[Guest guest]

Sorry if this is a duplicate.

I never stopped taking iron. I only reduced my dosage from three 65mg a day to two. Do yo think I should go back up? I still had these symptoms on three doses a day which leads me to believe this is not iron related.

How is my t3 schedule? Do you think I am on enough?

Thanks, Val

total iron 101 (40-175)iron binding cap. 325 (250-450)% sat. 31 (15-50)ferritin 158 (10-232)RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4) FYIFerritin 3/8/201065OK You have several thing in this lab that raise flags for me. Your iron binding capacity is too high which means you need mroe iron, your % saturation shoudl be 35-45% so also too lwo, and the onyl thing that looks good is your ONE ferritin which is high which I suspect ois form inflammation. I would go back on a lower dose of iron, maybe 50mg to 75mg daily. This hopefulyl will help you tolerate the T3 better and stop hairloss. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/http://faqhelp.webs.com/http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/http://artisticgrooming.net/> total

iron 101 (40-175)> iron binding cap. 325 (250-450)> % sat. 31 (15-50)> ferritin 158 (10-232)> RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4) FYI> Ferritin 3/8/2010> 65

[Guest guest]

Well, I guess you're doing all you can, then, unless you have Lyme's which I

hope you don't. Supposedly the Western Blot test is the best but even that

sometimes gives false negatives. In general, though, unless you test positive, I

would not try to treat Lyme until you tried the t3 protocol and it just wasn't

working.

My candida symtpoms were just intense ITCHING everywhere, even in my ears,

around my mouth, just everywhere. But I had been on antibiotics for 15 years

straight so I wasn't exactly surprised I had candida.

Oh, have you tested EBV antibodies? This is a biggie, too. I don't know how I

forgot to mention it as I had this and it really hindered me. I felt " sick " all

the time with sore throats and made it very hard on my adrenals. There is a lot

of info on it at Holtorf. I truly felt that when I treated the EBV (I did it the

same time as going gluten free) is when I was finally able to start to make

progress on the t3 protocol and the HC. I did Vit C IVs and Transfer Factor plus

lots of Olive Leaf Extract. No antiviral drugs, but I would've used them if I

didn't get better.

Kathleen

> > > total iron 101 (40-175)

> > > iron binding cap. 325 (250-450)

> > > % sat. 31 (15-50)

> > > ferritin 158 (10-232)

> > > RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4) FYI

> > > Ferritin 3/8/2010

> > > 65

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't have symptoms for Lyme's, is it still possible to still have it without symtoms?

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 10:09:55 AMSubject: Re: feedback/t3 schedule

Well, I guess you're doing all you can, then, unless you have Lyme's which I hope you don't. Supposedly the Western Blot test is the best but even that sometimes gives false negatives. In general, though, unless you test positive, I would not try to treat Lyme until you tried the t3 protocol and it just wasn't working.My candida symtpoms were just intense ITCHING everywhere, even in my ears, around my mouth, just everywhere. But I had been on antibiotics for 15 years straight so I wasn't exactly surprised I had candida.Oh, have you tested EBV antibodies? This is a biggie, too. I don't know how I forgot to mention it as I had this and it really hindered me. I felt "sick" all the time with sore throats and made it very hard on my adrenals. There is a lot of info on it at Holtorf. I truly felt that when I treated the EBV (I did it the same time as going gluten free) is when I was finally able to start to make progress on the t3 protocol

and the HC. I did Vit C IVs and Transfer Factor plus lots of Olive Leaf Extract. No antiviral drugs, but I would've used them if I didn't get better. Kathleen> > > total iron 101 (40-175)> > > iron binding cap. 325 (250-450)> > > % sat. 31 (15-50)> > > ferritin 158 (10-232)> > > RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4) FYI> > > Ferritin 3/8/2010> > > 65> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Val. I have been trying to respone to this email but I am not seeing it show up. Please forgive me if you have already recieved a response from me.

Your advice was to take iron, but I already do. Never stopped after those labs. I did reduce from three 65mg a day to two 65mg (elemental) a day. Do you think I should go back to three? I still had these symptoms(shortness of breath/highpulse) on more iron which leads me to believe my problems are something other then iron.

I should mention my basals are good most of the time. ranging from 97.9 -98.2. Once this month I went to 98.3 and at the beginning of my cycle I will dip a couple days into 97.6. Daily averages are not 98.6. They seemed to vary. The last two days they have been 98.4. two days before that they were 98.1

What do you think of my t3 schedule? Should I try to increase? Thanks,S

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010 5:56:54 PMSubject: Re: feedback/t3 schedule

total iron 101 (40-175)iron binding cap. 325 (250-450)% sat. 31 (15-50)ferritin 158 (10-232)RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4) FYIFerritin 3/8/201065OK You have several thing in this lab that raise flags for me. Your iron binding capacity is too high which means you need mroe iron, your % saturation shoudl be 35-45% so also too lwo, and the onyl thing that looks good is your ONE ferritin which is high which I suspect ois form inflammation. I would go back on a lower dose of iron, maybe 50mg to 75mg daily. This hopefulyl will help you tolerate the T3 better and stop hairloss. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/http://faqhelp.webs.com/http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/http://artisticgrooming.net/> total

iron 101 (40-175)> iron binding cap. 325 (250-450)> % sat. 31 (15-50)> ferritin 158 (10-232)> RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4) FYI> Ferritin 3/8/2010> 65

[Guest guest]

That variance in temps suggests his might be adrenals.

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>> http://faqhelp.webs.com/

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>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

>> http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

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Hi Val. I have been trying to respone to this email but I am not

seeing it show up. Please forgive me if you have already recieved a

response from me.

 

Your advice was to take iron, but I already do. Never stopped

after those labs. I did reduce from three 65mg a day to two 65mg

(elemental) a day. Do you think I should go back to three? I still had

these symptoms(shortness of breath/highpulse) on more iron which leads

me to believe my problems are something other then iron.

 

I should mention my basals are good most of the time. ranging

from 97.9 -98.2. Once this month I went to 98.3 and at the beginning of

my cycle I will dip a couple days into 97.6. Daily averages are not

98.6. They seemed to vary. The last two days they have been 98.4. two

days before that they were 98.1

 

What do you think of my t3 schedule? Should I try to increase?

Thanks,S

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feedback/t3 schedule

 

total iron 101 (40-175)

iron binding cap. 325 (250-450)

% sat. 31 (15-50)

ferritin 158 (10-232)

RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4) FYI

Ferritin 3/8/2010

65

OK You have several thing in this lab that raise flags for me. Your

iron

binding capacity is too high which means you need mroe iron, your %

saturation shoudl be 35-45% so also too lwo, and the onyl thing that

looks good is your ONE ferritin which is high which I suspect ois form

inflammation. I would go back on a lower dose of iron, maybe 50mg to

75mg daily. This hopefulyl will help you tolerate the T3 better and

stop

hairloss.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://artisticgrooming.net/

> total iron 101 (40-175)

> iron binding cap. 325 (250-450)

> % sat. 31 (15-50)

> ferritin 158 (10-232)

> RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4) FYI

> Ferritin 3/8/2010

> 65

[Guest guest]

HI Suzzanne & Val,

I cannot agree that these labs show too low Iron at all.

> total iron 101 (40-175)

> iron binding cap 325 (250-450)*37% in range

> % sat. 31 (15-50)

> ferritin 158 (10-232)*far too high

> RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4)*far too low

> Ferritin 3/8/2010 65

Serum Iron is so volatile as to be a pretty useless test unless strict protocols

are followed & interpreted with other tests (Full Iron Panel, CBC, Inflammatory

markers)

A TIBC of 325 is LOW & only 37% in range. This indicates a pretty low capacity

for safely absorbing any more Iron.

A Iron Saturation of 31% is quite healthy it's the lab ranges that are are FAR

TOO HIGH (same as most Ferritin ranges). The optimal % range is actually 25-35%

so her result is bang in the middle.

Ferritin of 158 is far too high of course. You are correct & there may be some

inflammation causing Iron sequestration (hence higher Ferritin). However there

is NO WAY to know this without testing CBC, ESR, Fibrinogen, CRP & Homocysteine

at the SAME time.

Of course UNLESS the correct protocols are followed most of the Iron panel is

useless. You need to test early am fasting, no meds & supps until after test, no

Iron supps for minimum 5 days (7 days is better) AND no high iron food or drink

for at least 3 days (preferably 5 or more).

Were these protocols followed?

The RBC Mag is of course far too low. If you have been trying to bring this up

with oral supps you don't have have a hope. What you need is transdermal oil (I

recommend Ancient Minerals) applied daily & it will take several months to

replentish.

Lethal Lee

> > total iron 101 (40-175)

> > iron binding cap. 325 (250-450)

> > % sat. 31 (15-50)

> > ferritin 158 (10-232)

> > RBC mag 4.2 (4.0-6.4) FYI

> > Ferritin 3/8/2010

> > 65

>