Reverse T3 levels without drawing blood?

[Guest guest]

The last time I had blood drawn I got pretty sick and either passed out or

almost passed out.

So I really do not want to get blood drawn if I can avoid it.

I have been looking everywhere to try and find a lab that can tell me my reverse

T3 levels without a blood draw....and I can't find anywhere that does it.

I'm trying to find somewhere that can check your levels by blodspot or saliva or

urine if possible.

Just wondering if anyone has been able to get their T3 levels checked without

drawing blood and if so where at?

Thanks

Jim

[Guest guest]

Symptoms

> " The main symptom of RT3 issues is that of hypothyroidism that won't respond

to treatment. "

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/

>

Yes, feeling worse with " normal " thyroid treatment, even dessicated.

Also, another way to pretty much tell if you have rt3 is looking at your ft4 and

ft3. If you have midrange or higher ft4, but your ft3 is low, then it's almost a

given the t4 is turning into rt3. It has to go somewhere!

When you did labs last time, were the ft4 and ft3 done?

Kathleen

[Guest guest]

Symptoms

> " The main symptom of RT3 issues is that of hypothyroidism that won't respond

to treatment. "

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/

>

Yes, feeling worse with " normal " thyroid treatment, even dessicated.

Also, another way to pretty much tell if you have rt3 is looking at your ft4 and

ft3. If you have midrange or higher ft4, but your ft3 is low, then it's almost a

given the t4 is turning into rt3. It has to go somewhere!

When you did labs last time, were the ft4 and ft3 done?

Kathleen

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nick

I checked with that lab and they too only do blood draw tests for reverse T3. I

have not been able to find ANYWHERE yet that can do a reverse T3 test without

drawing blood. I didn't think at first that it would be this hard to find

somewhere but it is.

I'm already on cortisol for hypoadrenia but I'm not on thyroid hormone yet.

Jim

>

> >

> >So the levels were 6.2 for total T4 and 252 for free T3.

>

> OK, makes more sense now!

>

> You were the person saying you had troubles after the blood draw?? I

> wonder if that's a clue in itself, the quantity of blood they take is

> not enough to make any difference to anyone so what form did they

> take?? Might it have been stress and anxiety followed by fatigue??

>

> Looking at the blood numbers the T4 is not excessive but the FT3 is

> hypo, most people need to be at top of range to feel good.

>

> Are you on any meds at the moment or still looking for an initial

> diagnosis??

>

> I think this one is a blood spot test

>

>

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/lab_tests/Stop_The_Thyroid_Madness/STTM_Reverse_T3\

_and_Free_T3_Thyroid_Function

>

> have you plotted average temperatures for a few days as per the first

> link on this page??

>

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/adrenals.htm

>

> Have you had an adrenal saliva test done??

>

> Nick

>

> --

>

> for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

>

> www.thyroid-rt3.com

>

[Guest guest]

I have done some research on this, looks like it's the amount of blood required

for the test that is the problem...there is no way they can get a large enough

sample other than with a draw. That is why the sampling method does not vary

from lab to lab...the RT3 test requires largish sample no matter where you go.

Everywhere that I have found, anyway.

I'm sorry I couldn't be more help on this. I know getting a blood draw is a

really big problem for some folks. If anybody knows a way to make this easier,

we'd love to hear from you!

If I remember correctly, Nick himself rarely has labs done, he manages well on

symptoms/temps/pulse. So hopefully you, too, will be able to make progress with

an absolute minimum of lab tests.

> >

> > >

> > >So the levels were 6.2 for total T4 and 252 for free T3.

> >

> > OK, makes more sense now!

> >

> > You were the person saying you had troubles after the blood draw?? I

> > wonder if that's a clue in itself, the quantity of blood they take is

> > not enough to make any difference to anyone so what form did they

> > take?? Might it have been stress and anxiety followed by fatigue??

> >

> > Looking at the blood numbers the T4 is not excessive but the FT3 is

> > hypo, most people need to be at top of range to feel good.

> >

> > Are you on any meds at the moment or still looking for an initial

> > diagnosis??

> >

> > I think this one is a blood spot test

> >

> >

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/lab_tests/Stop_The_Thyroid_Madness/STTM_Reverse_T3\

_and_Free_T3_Thyroid_Function

> >

> > have you plotted average temperatures for a few days as per the first

> > link on this page??

> >

> > http://thyroid-rt3.com/adrenals.htm

> >

> > Have you had an adrenal saliva test done??

> >

> > Nick

> >

> > --

> >

> > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

> >

> > www.thyroid-rt3.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have done some research on this, looks like it's the amount of blood required

for the test that is the problem...there is no way they can get a large enough

sample other than with a draw. That is why the sampling method does not vary

from lab to lab...the RT3 test requires largish sample no matter where you go.

Everywhere that I have found, anyway.

I'm sorry I couldn't be more help on this. I know getting a blood draw is a

really big problem for some folks. If anybody knows a way to make this easier,

we'd love to hear from you!

If I remember correctly, Nick himself rarely has labs done, he manages well on

symptoms/temps/pulse. So hopefully you, too, will be able to make progress with

an absolute minimum of lab tests.

> >

> > >

> > >So the levels were 6.2 for total T4 and 252 for free T3.

> >

> > OK, makes more sense now!

> >

> > You were the person saying you had troubles after the blood draw?? I

> > wonder if that's a clue in itself, the quantity of blood they take is

> > not enough to make any difference to anyone so what form did they

> > take?? Might it have been stress and anxiety followed by fatigue??

> >

> > Looking at the blood numbers the T4 is not excessive but the FT3 is

> > hypo, most people need to be at top of range to feel good.

> >

> > Are you on any meds at the moment or still looking for an initial

> > diagnosis??

> >

> > I think this one is a blood spot test

> >

> >

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/lab_tests/Stop_The_Thyroid_Madness/STTM_Reverse_T3\

_and_Free_T3_Thyroid_Function

> >

> > have you plotted average temperatures for a few days as per the first

> > link on this page??

> >

> > http://thyroid-rt3.com/adrenals.htm

> >

> > Have you had an adrenal saliva test done??

> >

> > Nick

> >

> > --

> >

> > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

> >

> > www.thyroid-rt3.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have done some research on this, looks like it's the amount of blood required

for the test that is the problem...there is no way they can get a large enough

sample other than with a draw. That is why the sampling method does not vary

from lab to lab...the RT3 test requires largish sample no matter where you go.

Everywhere that I have found, anyway.

I'm sorry I couldn't be more help on this. I know getting a blood draw is a

really big problem for some folks. If anybody knows a way to make this easier,

we'd love to hear from you!

If I remember correctly, Nick himself rarely has labs done, he manages well on

symptoms/temps/pulse. So hopefully you, too, will be able to make progress with

an absolute minimum of lab tests.

> >

> > >

> > >So the levels were 6.2 for total T4 and 252 for free T3.

> >

> > OK, makes more sense now!

> >

> > You were the person saying you had troubles after the blood draw?? I

> > wonder if that's a clue in itself, the quantity of blood they take is

> > not enough to make any difference to anyone so what form did they

> > take?? Might it have been stress and anxiety followed by fatigue??

> >

> > Looking at the blood numbers the T4 is not excessive but the FT3 is

> > hypo, most people need to be at top of range to feel good.

> >

> > Are you on any meds at the moment or still looking for an initial

> > diagnosis??

> >

> > I think this one is a blood spot test

> >

> >

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/lab_tests/Stop_The_Thyroid_Madness/STTM_Reverse_T3\

_and_Free_T3_Thyroid_Function

> >

> > have you plotted average temperatures for a few days as per the first

> > link on this page??

> >

> > http://thyroid-rt3.com/adrenals.htm

> >

> > Have you had an adrenal saliva test done??

> >

> > Nick

> >

> > --

> >

> > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

> >

> > www.thyroid-rt3.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Margery

I didn't think at first that it would be this hard to find somewhere that does

the reverse T3 test without drawing blood, but it looks like it is really hard

to find somewhere that does.

Jim

> > >

> > > >

> > > >So the levels were 6.2 for total T4 and 252 for free T3.

> > >

> > > OK, makes more sense now!

> > >

> > > You were the person saying you had troubles after the blood draw?? I

> > > wonder if that's a clue in itself, the quantity of blood they take is

> > > not enough to make any difference to anyone so what form did they

> > > take?? Might it have been stress and anxiety followed by fatigue??

> > >

> > > Looking at the blood numbers the T4 is not excessive but the FT3 is

> > > hypo, most people need to be at top of range to feel good.

> > >

> > > Are you on any meds at the moment or still looking for an initial

> > > diagnosis??

> > >

> > > I think this one is a blood spot test

> > >

> > >

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/lab_tests/Stop_The_Thyroid_Madness/STTM_Reverse_T3\

_and_Free_T3_Thyroid_Function

> > >

> > > have you plotted average temperatures for a few days as per the first

> > > link on this page??

> > >

> > > http://thyroid-rt3.com/adrenals.htm

> > >

> > > Have you had an adrenal saliva test done??

> > >

> > > Nick

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

> > >

> > > www.thyroid-rt3.com

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Margery

I didn't think at first that it would be this hard to find somewhere that does

the reverse T3 test without drawing blood, but it looks like it is really hard

to find somewhere that does.

Jim

> > >

> > > >

> > > >So the levels were 6.2 for total T4 and 252 for free T3.

> > >

> > > OK, makes more sense now!

> > >

> > > You were the person saying you had troubles after the blood draw?? I

> > > wonder if that's a clue in itself, the quantity of blood they take is

> > > not enough to make any difference to anyone so what form did they

> > > take?? Might it have been stress and anxiety followed by fatigue??

> > >

> > > Looking at the blood numbers the T4 is not excessive but the FT3 is

> > > hypo, most people need to be at top of range to feel good.

> > >

> > > Are you on any meds at the moment or still looking for an initial

> > > diagnosis??

> > >

> > > I think this one is a blood spot test

> > >

> > >

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/lab_tests/Stop_The_Thyroid_Madness/STTM_Reverse_T3\

_and_Free_T3_Thyroid_Function

> > >

> > > have you plotted average temperatures for a few days as per the first

> > > link on this page??

> > >

> > > http://thyroid-rt3.com/adrenals.htm

> > >

> > > Have you had an adrenal saliva test done??

> > >

> > > Nick

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

> > >

> > > www.thyroid-rt3.com

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Margery

I didn't think at first that it would be this hard to find somewhere that does

the reverse T3 test without drawing blood, but it looks like it is really hard

to find somewhere that does.

Jim

> > >

> > > >

> > > >So the levels were 6.2 for total T4 and 252 for free T3.

> > >

> > > OK, makes more sense now!

> > >

> > > You were the person saying you had troubles after the blood draw?? I

> > > wonder if that's a clue in itself, the quantity of blood they take is

> > > not enough to make any difference to anyone so what form did they

> > > take?? Might it have been stress and anxiety followed by fatigue??

> > >

> > > Looking at the blood numbers the T4 is not excessive but the FT3 is

> > > hypo, most people need to be at top of range to feel good.

> > >

> > > Are you on any meds at the moment or still looking for an initial

> > > diagnosis??

> > >

> > > I think this one is a blood spot test

> > >

> > >

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/lab_tests/Stop_The_Thyroid_Madness/STTM_Reverse_T3\

_and_Free_T3_Thyroid_Function

> > >

> > > have you plotted average temperatures for a few days as per the first

> > > link on this page??

> > >

> > > http://thyroid-rt3.com/adrenals.htm

> > >

> > > Have you had an adrenal saliva test done??

> > >

> > > Nick

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

> > >

> > > www.thyroid-rt3.com

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim,

Did you see my post to you about getting a pretty good idea of your rt3 status

simply by looking at your free t4 and free t3. If you have midrange to high free

t4 but low free t3, it's pretty much a given that your rt3 is high as the t4 has

to convert to one or the other. I learned this from Dr. Rind. He says he never

does rt3 tests anymore because he can basically determine it based on the ft4

and ft3.

Kathleen

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >So the levels were 6.2 for total T4 and 252 for free T3.

> > > >

> > > > OK, makes more sense now!

> > > >

> > > > You were the person saying you had troubles after the blood draw?? I

> > > > wonder if that's a clue in itself, the quantity of blood they take is

> > > > not enough to make any difference to anyone so what form did they

> > > > take?? Might it have been stress and anxiety followed by fatigue??

> > > >

> > > > Looking at the blood numbers the T4 is not excessive but the FT3 is

> > > > hypo, most people need to be at top of range to feel good.

> > > >

> > > > Are you on any meds at the moment or still looking for an initial

> > > > diagnosis??

> > > >

> > > > I think this one is a blood spot test

> > > >

> > > >

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/lab_tests/Stop_The_Thyroid_Madness/STTM_Reverse_T3\

_and_Free_T3_Thyroid_Function

> > > >

> > > > have you plotted average temperatures for a few days as per the first

> > > > link on this page??

> > > >

> > > > http://thyroid-rt3.com/adrenals.htm

> > > >

> > > > Have you had an adrenal saliva test done??

> > > >

> > > > Nick

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > >

> > > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

> > > >

> > > > www.thyroid-rt3.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kathleen

Yes I saw your post and I posted my last levels that I had done.

These were the results...

T4 Total 6.2 reference range 3.8-12.0

T3 Free 252 reference range 230-420

I didn't know if there was a difference between free T4 and total T4

though...because it was total T4 that was tested not free T4.

Jim

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >So the levels were 6.2 for total T4 and 252 for free T3.

> > > > >

> > > > > OK, makes more sense now!

> > > > >

> > > > > You were the person saying you had troubles after the blood draw?? I

> > > > > wonder if that's a clue in itself, the quantity of blood they take is

> > > > > not enough to make any difference to anyone so what form did they

> > > > > take?? Might it have been stress and anxiety followed by fatigue??

> > > > >

> > > > > Looking at the blood numbers the T4 is not excessive but the FT3 is

> > > > > hypo, most people need to be at top of range to feel good.

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you on any meds at the moment or still looking for an initial

> > > > > diagnosis??

> > > > >

> > > > > I think this one is a blood spot test

> > > > >

> > > > >

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/lab_tests/Stop_The_Thyroid_Madness/STTM_Reverse_T3\

_and_Free_T3_Thyroid_Function

> > > > >

> > > > > have you plotted average temperatures for a few days as per the first

> > > > > link on this page??

> > > > >

> > > > > http://thyroid-rt3.com/adrenals.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you had an adrenal saliva test done??

> > > > >

> > > > > Nick

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > >

> > > > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

> > > > >

> > > > > www.thyroid-rt3.com

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ah, yes, you need the free t4 to see what is happening.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >So the levels were 6.2 for total T4 and 252 for free T3.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > OK, makes more sense now!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You were the person saying you had troubles after the blood draw?? I

> > > > > > wonder if that's a clue in itself, the quantity of blood they take

is

> > > > > > not enough to make any difference to anyone so what form did they

> > > > > > take?? Might it have been stress and anxiety followed by fatigue??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Looking at the blood numbers the T4 is not excessive but the FT3 is

> > > > > > hypo, most people need to be at top of range to feel good.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you on any meds at the moment or still looking for an initial

> > > > > > diagnosis??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think this one is a blood spot test

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/lab_tests/Stop_The_Thyroid_Madness/STTM_Reverse_T3\

_and_Free_T3_Thyroid_Function

> > > > > >

> > > > > > have you plotted average temperatures for a few days as per the

first

> > > > > > link on this page??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://thyroid-rt3.com/adrenals.htm

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Have you had an adrenal saliva test done??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nick

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > >

> > > > > > for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > www.thyroid-rt3.com

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

You can make blood testing easier if your lab will work with you. Find out if a

pediatric size tube will be enough blood for the test.

I used to pass out after blood draws. I called ahead to the lab and got things

set up. They would take the blood with me lying down and use the smallest size

needle. It the one use for kids. If you tell them you get " blown veins " and ask

they will use the small needle.

Hope this helps,

Jennie

> >

> > I have done some research on this, looks like it's the amount of blood

required for the test that is the problem...there is no way they can get a large

enough sample other than with a draw.

[Guest guest]

Jim,

You can make blood testing easier if your lab will work with you. Find out if a

pediatric size tube will be enough blood for the test.

I used to pass out after blood draws. I called ahead to the lab and got things

set up. They would take the blood with me lying down and use the smallest size

needle. It the one use for kids. If you tell them you get " blown veins " and ask

they will use the small needle.

Hope this helps,

Jennie

> >

> > I have done some research on this, looks like it's the amount of blood

required for the test that is the problem...there is no way they can get a large

enough sample other than with a draw.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jennie!

I will look into that.

I thought I was alone in passing out or almost passing out from getting blood

drawn!

Jim

> > >

> > > I have done some research on this, looks like it's the amount of blood

required for the test that is the problem...there is no way they can get a large

enough sample other than with a draw.

>