Re: RT3 and insomnia / testosterone

[Guest guest]

I found that after I was on HC for a while, my testosterone really went down.

Since you are on HC, this might be worth testing for. I do not know if there is

a direct connection between low testosterone and insomnia, but checking this may

provide information useful to your overall health picture.

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> I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other factors

would cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid levels are normal.

In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would cause this

like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?

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> Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

Are you taking anything for testosterone? Mine is horribly low, as is my progesterone... not sure how to treat it though.

estradiol 1.4 <1.3-3.3>

Progesterone 45 L <75-270>

Ratio Pg/E2 32 L <100-500>

Testosterone 5 L <16-47>

DHEA <1.0 L <3.9-11.4>

Cortisol 3.9 <3.7-9.5> but I am taking HC

kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 2:54:41 PMSubject: Re: RT3 and insomnia / testosterone

I found that after I was on HC for a while, my testosterone really went down. Since you are on HC, this might be worth testing for. I do not know if there is a direct connection between low testosterone and insomnia, but checking this may provide information useful to your overall health picture.>> I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other factors would cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid levels are normal. In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would cause this like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?> > Thanks!> > >

[Guest guest]

Are you taking anything for testosterone? Mine is horribly low, as is my progesterone... not sure how to treat it though.

estradiol 1.4 <1.3-3.3>

Progesterone 45 L <75-270>

Ratio Pg/E2 32 L <100-500>

Testosterone 5 L <16-47>

DHEA <1.0 L <3.9-11.4>

Cortisol 3.9 <3.7-9.5> but I am taking HC

kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 2:54:41 PMSubject: Re: RT3 and insomnia / testosterone

I found that after I was on HC for a while, my testosterone really went down. Since you are on HC, this might be worth testing for. I do not know if there is a direct connection between low testosterone and insomnia, but checking this may provide information useful to your overall health picture.>> I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other factors would cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid levels are normal. In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would cause this like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?> > Thanks!> > >

[Guest guest]

Are you taking anything for testosterone? Mine is horribly low, as is my progesterone... not sure how to treat it though.

estradiol 1.4 <1.3-3.3>

Progesterone 45 L <75-270>

Ratio Pg/E2 32 L <100-500>

Testosterone 5 L <16-47>

DHEA <1.0 L <3.9-11.4>

Cortisol 3.9 <3.7-9.5> but I am taking HC

kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 2:54:41 PMSubject: Re: RT3 and insomnia / testosterone

I found that after I was on HC for a while, my testosterone really went down. Since you are on HC, this might be worth testing for. I do not know if there is a direct connection between low testosterone and insomnia, but checking this may provide information useful to your overall health picture.>> I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other factors would cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid levels are normal. In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would cause this like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?> > Thanks!> > >

[Guest guest]

Kitty,

You can treat low PG with OTC PG cream. I found Emerita to work, but I had to

use a lot, their equivalent to 40 mg /day according to the directions.

I know use Xymogen topical and I find it much more potent. Only 2 pumps (10 mg

of PG according to them) keeps my PG is the good range during the luteal phase.

Unfortunately, for testosterone, I think the only way is to get a script.

Luckily, I have a doc who gives it to me. It's a topical gel and I apply 1.5 to

2 mg a day. HC sent my testosterone into the DIRT and that is not good for

muscles or BONES.

Kathleen

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> > I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other factors

would cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid levels are normal.

In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would cause this

like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?

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> > Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

How do you know how much of the prog cream to use? I haven't been to my doc since starting all of this so I have to figure out a way to do this on my own.

Kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 5:55:18 PMSubject: Re: RT3 and insomnia / testosterone

Kitty,You can treat low PG with OTC PG cream. I found Emerita to work, but I had to use a lot, their equivalent to 40 mg /day according to the directions.I know use Xymogen topical and I find it much more potent. Only 2 pumps (10 mg of PG according to them) keeps my PG is the good range during the luteal phase.Unfortunately, for testosterone, I think the only way is to get a script. Luckily, I have a doc who gives it to me. It's a topical gel and I apply 1.5 to 2 mg a day. HC sent my testosterone into the DIRT and that is not good for muscles or BONES.Kathleen> >> > I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other factors would cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid levels are normal. In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would cause this like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?> > > > Thanks!> > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

Generally, women use 20 mg a day for days 14 until their period comes. Then, a

blood test taken 7 days before your period comes will show if you are using

enough or not. If your periods aren't regular, they will become so once you get

on the cream. :-) If you are post-meno, then you just take the cream 21 days of

the month.

However, with Emerita brand, I had to use what the tube said equalled 40 mg.

(They tell you that 1/4 tsp is equal to 20 mg PG.) With Xmogen, which you can

buy online, I only need to use what they say is 10 mg. Xymogen has 2 kinds, one

dispenses 20 in one pump. I suggest getting the other one, which is only 5 mg

per pump so you can get a dose that works for you more accurately.

I used Source Naturals before and it didn't raise my levels at all, so it does

matter what cream you use.

You should try to find a way to get testosterone as it is SUPER important to

maintaining bone. I'm think there are some gels they sell to men as bodybuilders

probably use them. But I stress to try to get bioidentical. I think you could

try Anti Aging systems in the UK. Very repuatable for stuff like that. Google

for exact link. Other than that, maybe just Google testosterone gel and see what

you find. I know there is a natural gel out there, just don't remember the name.

Kathleen

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> > > I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other

factors would cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid levels are

normal. In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would

cause this like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?

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> > > Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

This is what I have found so far, http://www.testosteronecream.biz/eCommerce/cart.php not trying to sell it!

There are so many progesterone creams :X I have issues with eating soy, I would guess I should avoid creams that contain soy?

Kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 6:40:09 PMSubject: Re: RT3 and insomnia / testosterone

Generally, women use 20 mg a day for days 14 until their period comes. Then, a blood test taken 7 days before your period comes will show if you are using enough or not. If your periods aren't regular, they will become so once you get on the cream. :-) If you are post-meno, then you just take the cream 21 days of the month.However, with Emerita brand, I had to use what the tube said equalled 40 mg. (They tell you that 1/4 tsp is equal to 20 mg PG.) With Xmogen, which you can buy online, I only need to use what they say is 10 mg. Xymogen has 2 kinds, one dispenses 20 in one pump. I suggest getting the other one, which is only 5 mg per pump so you can get a dose that works for you more accurately.I used Source Naturals before and it didn't raise my levels at all, so it does matter what cream you use.You should try to find a way to get testosterone as it is SUPER important to maintaining bone. I'm think there are some gels they

sell to men as bodybuilders probably use them. But I stress to try to get bioidentical. I think you could try Anti Aging systems in the UK. Very repuatable for stuff like that. Google for exact link. Other than that, maybe just Google testosterone gel and see what you find. I know there is a natural gel out there, just don't remember the name.Kathleen> > >> > > I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other factors would cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid levels are normal. In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would cause this like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?> > > > > > Thanks!> > > > > > > > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Emerita is free of all nasties, including parabens. Xmogens is clean, too.

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> > > > I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other

factors would cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid levels are

normal. In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would

cause this like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?

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[Guest guest]

where do you get the xymogen? I can't seem to find it

Kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 6:51:45 PMSubject: Re: RT3 and insomnia / testosterone

Emerita is free of all nasties, including parabens. Xmogens is clean, too.> > > >> > > > I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other factors would cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid

levels are normal. In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would cause this like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?> > > > > > > > Thanks!> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

https://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com/progx-topical-cream-X2-p-xymogen.html

It may make you create an account (free) to look at the Xymogen products.

If so, just go here: http://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com and ceate an account

first, then look for it.

Kathleen

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> > > > > I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other

factors would cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid levels are

normal. In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would

cause this like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?

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[Guest guest]

https://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com/progx-topical-cream-X2-p-xymogen.html

It may make you create an account (free) to look at the Xymogen products.

If so, just go here: http://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com and ceate an account

first, then look for it.

Kathleen

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> > > > > I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other

factors would cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid levels are

normal. In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would

cause this like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?

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[Guest guest]

https://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com/progx-topical-cream-X2-p-xymogen.html

It may make you create an account (free) to look at the Xymogen products.

If so, just go here: http://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com and ceate an account

first, then look for it.

Kathleen

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> > > > > I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other

factors would cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid levels are

normal. In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would

cause this like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?

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> > > > > Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

Robyn,

The only way I can tell a difference is the " squish " test that Val told me about

to regulate your hormones.

If tender and sore, it means too much estrogen and if heavy, it means too much

progesterone.

Have you found a good doc? You can answer this off list if you like.

Deb in MI

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> Deb

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> I'm in Michigan too. I just started the progesterone pills. I have severe

headaches and am hoping the progesterone will help with those. I have high

reverse T3s too. I'm on day 10 and so far feel no different. does it take a

while once you start the progesterone to feel any results?

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> Robyn in MI

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[Guest guest]

Robyn,

The only way I can tell a difference is the " squish " test that Val told me about

to regulate your hormones.

If tender and sore, it means too much estrogen and if heavy, it means too much

progesterone.

Have you found a good doc? You can answer this off list if you like.

Deb in MI

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> Deb

>

> I'm in Michigan too. I just started the progesterone pills. I have severe

headaches and am hoping the progesterone will help with those. I have high

reverse T3s too. I'm on day 10 and so far feel no different. does it take a

while once you start the progesterone to feel any results?

>

> Robyn in MI

>

[Guest guest]

Robyn,

The only way I can tell a difference is the " squish " test that Val told me about

to regulate your hormones.

If tender and sore, it means too much estrogen and if heavy, it means too much

progesterone.

Have you found a good doc? You can answer this off list if you like.

Deb in MI

>

> Deb

>

> I'm in Michigan too. I just started the progesterone pills. I have severe

headaches and am hoping the progesterone will help with those. I have high

reverse T3s too. I'm on day 10 and so far feel no different. does it take a

while once you start the progesterone to feel any results?

>

> Robyn in MI

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I take compounded sublingual troches to try and raise my testosterone. Val

had good results with the cream, as do most people, but I had no results at all

with that. I've just started the troches.

Excuse me if I'm repeating myself, as this is related to another post I just

wrote, but my progesterone was also very low, cream also failed to raise it, and

I am also trying sublingual prog now.

> >

> > I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other factors

would cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid levels are normal.

In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would cause this

like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I take compounded sublingual troches to try and raise my testosterone. Val

had good results with the cream, as do most people, but I had no results at all

with that. I've just started the troches.

Excuse me if I'm repeating myself, as this is related to another post I just

wrote, but my progesterone was also very low, cream also failed to raise it, and

I am also trying sublingual prog now.

> >

> > I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other factors

would cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid levels are normal.

In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would cause this

like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I take compounded sublingual troches to try and raise my testosterone. Val

had good results with the cream, as do most people, but I had no results at all

with that. I've just started the troches.

Excuse me if I'm repeating myself, as this is related to another post I just

wrote, but my progesterone was also very low, cream also failed to raise it, and

I am also trying sublingual prog now.

> >

> > I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other factors

would cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid levels are normal.

In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would cause this

like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Deb,

What is the " squish " test?

Kathleen

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> > Deb

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> > I'm in Michigan too. I just started the progesterone pills. I have severe

headaches and am hoping the progesterone will help with those. I have high

reverse T3s too. I'm on day 10 and so far feel no different. does it take a

while once you start the progesterone to feel any results?

> >

> > Robyn in MI

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>

[Guest guest]

Deb,

What is the " squish " test?

Kathleen

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> > Deb

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> > I'm in Michigan too. I just started the progesterone pills. I have severe

headaches and am hoping the progesterone will help with those. I have high

reverse T3s too. I'm on day 10 and so far feel no different. does it take a

while once you start the progesterone to feel any results?

> >

> > Robyn in MI

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I really hope I do well with the creams I don't have money now to find a doctor to prescribe this stuff for me.... All of it is making me feel very anxious... I just want to feel better!

Kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 10:47:50 AMSubject: Re: RT3 and insomnia / testosterone

Yes, I take compounded sublingual troches to try and raise my testosterone. Val had good results with the cream, as do most people, but I had no results at all with that. I've just started the troches.Excuse me if I'm repeating myself, as this is related to another post I just wrote, but my progesterone was also very low, cream also failed to raise it, and I am also trying sublingual prog now.> >> > I'm getting some labs done next week and I wanted to know what other factors would

cause insomnia in the event my RT3 is clear and thyroid levels are normal. In other words, are there any other test I should ask for that would cause this like estrogen imbalance, low testostrone or B-12?> > > > Thanks!> > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

I'm sure there is a doc out there that would be good. My issue is trying to find one I am so tired of trying to fight with doctors.... I have been to so many! Any one have a recommendation for an Ob in NJ?

Kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 6:15:21 AMSubject: Re: RT3 and insomnia / testosterone

Kitty,Try an ObGyn. I am going to one who is out on her own and she gives me the P,E, and T without having to fight for it. She also gives me the T3 and HC as well.She had an open house to try to get new patients and I explained my situation and she said she would help and she has.Just a thought, Deb in MI>> This is what I have found so far, http://www.testosteronecream.biz/eCommerce/cart.php not trying to sell it! > There are so many progesterone creams :X I have issues with eating soy, I would guess I should avoid creams that contain soy?> > Kitty>

[Guest guest]

It is actually a lot easier to find docs to prescribe sex hormones than t3 and

HC! Usually if you can find an anti-aging doc, they are better and understand

the topicals.

I think compounding pharmacies may have lists of docs that use them or will give

you the name of a doc that uses them. Maybe you could try looking into that for

your area?

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> > This is what I have found so far,

http://www.testosteronecream.biz/eCommerce/cart.php not trying to sell it!

> > There are so many progesterone creams :X I have issues with eating soy, I

would guess I should avoid creams that contain soy?

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> > Kitty

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[Guest guest]

To quote Val:

Estrogen is fairly easy to adjust using your boobs! LOL If they are soft and

saggy you need MORE if they are too firm and tender or painful you need less.

but good estrogne levels not only protect your bones but also your muscles.

My doc has me do the balancing act then with progesterone to offset the

estrogen. So if they are tender and painful, you need more progesterone.

The squish test is what I call it.

Deb in MI

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> Deb,

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> What is the " squish " test?

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> Kathleen

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> > The only way I can tell a difference is the " squish " test that Val told me

about to regulate your hormones.

> >

> > If tender and sore, it means too much estrogen and if heavy, it means too

much progesterone.