Re: high cortisol at night / PS

[Guest guest]

Hi Fred,

I currently have a thread going on not sleeping, too. I can tell you what I

know, not that I have been able to sleep yet! But that said, taking HC totally

changes your cortisol rythm, so that yes, if you have had high cortisol, then

once you start taking HC, if you take high enough doses in the AM to reduce your

ACTH sufficiently, your nighttime cortisol will lower -- and you will sleep.

But also what can happen is that since your ACTH is now lowered, you might not

make ENOUGH cortisol to stay asleep, either! It's very confusing, unfortunately,

to know which is the problem -- too high at night from not taking enough HC in

the day or too little at night from taking enough HC in the day. I suspect it's

very individual depending on YOUR own HPA axis system and state of adrenals.

But it sounds like you're falling in the category where your cortisol at night

is too high since a higher AM dose makes you sleep better. I don't think I would

take the MAJORITY of your HC in the AM as that is not a good dosing schedule.

But to get that night cortisol lower, yes, absolutely, you can take 900 mg PS. I

think that is actually a recommended dose. I don't know how long it takes to

work, though.

For being hungry at night, it is suggested to eat fat/protein before going to

bed.

I am currently in the experimenting process with all of this myself as, although

I neve sleep well, mine has also gotten worse since recently increasing my total

HC dose. But everything else got better, so I'm hanging in there.

Kathleen

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm a male with adrenal and rt3 issues.

>

> Before taking HC(and any medication), I had a bad sleep, but still could sleep

at night, but with HC I experience insomnia.

> I have high cortisol at night according to my saliva test, and low during the

day.

> I noticed that if I take the majority of my HC dose the morning I sleep

better.

> I tried yesterday 400mg PS at bedtime but it did not work so I wonder if for a

male the dose need to be higher, like 1000mg (pure PS not combined formula)?

> This is very weird, because if I even sleep 3h a night, the next night I won't

be able to sleep, but I would be tired, like too much coffee and this is

exhausting. But generally when I'm very tired, I fall asleep around 9-10pm then

wake up at 1am and can't sleep anymore. But I'm very tired in the morning and

could sleep during the day time actually.

> As I said above, I had a bad sleep before, but not as bas as with HC.

> I also noticed I'm hungry at night, and my body gets very warm, although

during the day I'm cold because of hypo.

>

>

> I began T3 (T3 are not in cause with my insomnia because I had it before the

T3 intake) just a week ago, and tried a 10mg dose before bedtime but it did not

work for my sleep, and I'm not experiencing T3 pooling either. Should I take a

higher dose? (I'm currently at 25mg T3 through the day).

>

> So my thought is:

> -take more PS before bedtime. Which dose?

> -Maybe take T3 (would say 10mg) before bed time.

> -Take high dose HC the morning: I'm currently doing 9am 10mg, 12am 5mg, 4pm

5mg, 7pm 5mg. I try to take my last dose as early as possible. Maybe I should do

something like 9am 15mg-12am 15mg and small doses the rest of the day, since men

need higher dose of cortisol than women.

>

> Fred

>

[Guest guest]

Thx,

I just woke up very warm wit high temp and sore throat, although my basal temp

is low the day, and I took 5mg HC for an experience, also took some fat that

because I wad hungry.

I will see the resutl.

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I'm a male with adrenal and rt3 issues.

> >

> > Before taking HC(and any medication), I had a bad sleep, but still could

sleep at night, but with HC I experience insomnia.

> > I have high cortisol at night according to my saliva test, and low during

the day.

> > I noticed that if I take the majority of my HC dose the morning I sleep

better.

> > I tried yesterday 400mg PS at bedtime but it did not work so I wonder if for

a male the dose need to be higher, like 1000mg (pure PS not combined formula)?

> > This is very weird, because if I even sleep 3h a night, the next night I

won't be able to sleep, but I would be tired, like too much coffee and this is

exhausting. But generally when I'm very tired, I fall asleep around 9-10pm then

wake up at 1am and can't sleep anymore. But I'm very tired in the morning and

could sleep during the day time actually.

> > As I said above, I had a bad sleep before, but not as bas as with HC.

> > I also noticed I'm hungry at night, and my body gets very warm, although

during the day I'm cold because of hypo.

> >

> >

> > I began T3 (T3 are not in cause with my insomnia because I had it before the

T3 intake) just a week ago, and tried a 10mg dose before bedtime but it did not

work for my sleep, and I'm not experiencing T3 pooling either. Should I take a

higher dose? (I'm currently at 25mg T3 through the day).

> >

> > So my thought is:

> > -take more PS before bedtime. Which dose?

> > -Maybe take T3 (would say 10mg) before bed time.

> > -Take high dose HC the morning: I'm currently doing 9am 10mg, 12am 5mg, 4pm

5mg, 7pm 5mg. I try to take my last dose as early as possible. Maybe I should do

something like 9am 15mg-12am 15mg and small doses the rest of the day, since men

need higher dose of cortisol than women.

> >

> > Fred

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Please let us know how it goes. It helps others to learn.

I think I will also be doing the 5 HC bedtime experiment tonight, or maybe 2.5

at bed and another 2.5 in middle of night.

Kathleen

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I'm a male with adrenal and rt3 issues.

> > >

> > > Before taking HC(and any medication), I had a bad sleep, but still could

sleep at night, but with HC I experience insomnia.

> > > I have high cortisol at night according to my saliva test, and low during

the day.

> > > I noticed that if I take the majority of my HC dose the morning I sleep

better.

> > > I tried yesterday 400mg PS at bedtime but it did not work so I wonder if

for a male the dose need to be higher, like 1000mg (pure PS not combined

formula)?

> > > This is very weird, because if I even sleep 3h a night, the next night I

won't be able to sleep, but I would be tired, like too much coffee and this is

exhausting. But generally when I'm very tired, I fall asleep around 9-10pm then

wake up at 1am and can't sleep anymore. But I'm very tired in the morning and

could sleep during the day time actually.

> > > As I said above, I had a bad sleep before, but not as bas as with HC.

> > > I also noticed I'm hungry at night, and my body gets very warm, although

during the day I'm cold because of hypo.

> > >

> > >

> > > I began T3 (T3 are not in cause with my insomnia because I had it before

the T3 intake) just a week ago, and tried a 10mg dose before bedtime but it did

not work for my sleep, and I'm not experiencing T3 pooling either. Should I take

a higher dose? (I'm currently at 25mg T3 through the day).

> > >

> > > So my thought is:

> > > -take more PS before bedtime. Which dose?

> > > -Maybe take T3 (would say 10mg) before bed time.

> > > -Take high dose HC the morning: I'm currently doing 9am 10mg, 12am 5mg,

4pm 5mg, 7pm 5mg. I try to take my last dose as early as possible. Maybe I

should do something like 9am 15mg-12am 15mg and small doses the rest of the day,

since men need higher dose of cortisol than women.

> > >

> > > Fred

> > >

> >

>