Re: Perception by others that sensitivity is *your* fault, rather than just biochemistry?

[Guest guest]

> Sometimes you have to lose people to get well. I had to make

> decisions and could no longer extend myself to people who were not

> supportive.

>

Reminds me of these lines: " Lost the friends that I needed losing /

found other on the way.. "

> Oh, and maybe you are just jealous of cats like me.

>

Cat's can sleep through anything it seems.. I'm jealous of my

cats' HPA axis. Would make a good scienc fiction story..

Jim

[Guest guest]

>>Cat's can sleep through anything it seems.. I'm jealous of my

cats' HPA axis. Would make a good scienc fiction story..<<

Oh not all of them! I actually have one that has low cortisol. It was pitiful to

watch her startle reflex.

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[Guest guest]

thank you all who have answered me on this subject.

Cheri

problem is they are not being able to give me the support I need if they do not

understand my problems. and I am getting angry because they don't understand.I

had been struggling with flu for the last 10 days and even the ones who love me

do not ask me if I need anything. I am thinking they should ask me if I need

help if they had understood my health problems. they think flu is a simple thing

and they don't know how difficult life is for me while going through flu.

am I expecting too much?do you ask for help or do you have friends around who

understands you and offer their help without asking?

bw

Nil

RE: Perception by others that " sensitivity " is *your*

fault, rather than " just " biochemistry?

I will say my response to noise has gotten SO much better since on a good

dose of HC. My loud obnoxious neighbors are barely bothering me anymore.

Sometimes you have to lose people to get well. I had to make decisions and

could no longer extend myself to people who were not supportive. I figure

the ones who are real friends will always come back. The others weren't real

friends to begin with. This has proven true. People who are true will

support you in good and bad, no matter if they understand or not. I have

certainly been there for a lot of friends during problems in relationships

[Guest guest]

thanks cherie.this illness is going to make me a saint..

best wishes.

Nil

RE: Perception by others that " sensitivity " is *your*

fault, rather than " just " biochemistry?

Nil,

I think people who aren't chronically sick just have a really hard time

understanding how it is for us. It is a foreign concept. They just don't get

it. Even my husband who is basically a good person, a wonderful father

[Guest guest]

Nil,

I think people who aren't chronically sick just have a really hard time

understanding how it is for us. It is a foreign concept. They just don't get

it. Even my husband who is basically a good person, a wonderful father

doesn't get it. He's never been sick for any legnth of time in his life. He

can understand being sick for awhile, but in his head your body should heal

and you should feel better. This isn't something he conciously thinks, mind

you it is more of a mind set. I couldn't have asked for a better partner or

better care when recovering from surgery, but he has a hard time with this

because it is invisible and seemingly indefinate. Just the other day I was

explaining that I didn't take a shower before I went to pick up my HC pills

because if I had I wouldn't have had enough energy to go get the pills. I

could tell that he thought that was an exaggeration. I tried having him read

the Spoon Theory and he couldn't even relate to that. I know he tries, but

he just doesn't have any basis to relate to it. To make it worse, he's one

of those people that gets over a cold after 1-2 days and recovers from the

flu after 3. On top of that I don't like to complain becasue I feel like I'm

whining. I mean I always feel rotten, so who wants to hear about it ALL the

time. I don't even want to hear about it that oftne and I'm the one who is

sick! But if I'm not continually complaining then hubby assumes that I feel

better. Again not anything deliberate, just a mind set. There just aren't

any easy answers....

Cherie

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

> thank you all who have answered me on this subject.

>

> Cheri

> problem is they are not being able to give me the support I need

> if they do not understand my problems. and I am getting angry

> because they don't understand.I had been struggling with flu for

> the last 10 days and even the ones who love me do not ask me if I

> need anything. I am thinking they should ask me if I need help if

> they had understood my health problems. they think flu is a

> simple thing and they don't know how difficult life is for me

> while going through flu.

> am I expecting too much?do you ask for help or do you have

> friends around who understands you and offer their help without asking?

> bw

> Nil

>

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[Guest guest]

The friends I could not rely on are no longer in my life. Sometimes we need

to clean house and that means ending relationships too. Yes, I do ask for

help and no, it is not too much to ask for. That is what friendship is. I

have done it for them a million times so a healthy relationship means it is

reciprocated when you need it too.

Some people are emotional vampires. Those are the ones no longer in my life.

Take, take, take and when you need something they don't have the time. It

took me a long time but I am so much healthier in my relationships now.

Cheri

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thank you all who have answered me on this subject.

Cheri

problem is they are not being able to give me the support I need if they

do not understand my problems. and I am getting angry because they don't

understand.I had been struggling with flu for the last 10 days and even the

ones who love me do not ask me if I need anything. I am thinking they should

ask me if I need help if they had understood my health problems. they think

flu is a simple thing and they don't know how difficult life is for me while

going through flu.

am I expecting too much?do you ask for help or do you have friends around

who understands you and offer their help without asking?

bw

Nil

.

[Guest guest]

I love One flew over the coocoo's nest but I've just decided to watch Titanic

(gets to me everytime) for the 20th time.

Re: Perception by others that " sensitivity " is *your*

fault, rather than " just " biochemistry?

One Flew Over the Cukoos nest is on now. I've never seen it, and I'm

having fun... downloading come Saturday Morning to my I-Pod....

I even have Annette Funicello singing " How Will I Know My Love "

Music and critters, what more is there to life... With the horses, our

own 3 dog rescues, (one even got me a brand new kitchen remodel thanks to

starting a fire and a good State Farm adjuster) and 5 feral cats who come

and go as they please.............

kc in az

ps, all dogs fine after fire.........................

[Guest guest]

I love One flew over the coocoo's nest but I've just decided to watch Titanic

(gets to me everytime) for the 20th time.

Re: Perception by others that " sensitivity " is *your*

fault, rather than " just " biochemistry?

One Flew Over the Cukoos nest is on now. I've never seen it, and I'm

having fun... downloading come Saturday Morning to my I-Pod....

I even have Annette Funicello singing " How Will I Know My Love "

Music and critters, what more is there to life... With the horses, our

own 3 dog rescues, (one even got me a brand new kitchen remodel thanks to

starting a fire and a good State Farm adjuster) and 5 feral cats who come

and go as they please.............

kc in az

ps, all dogs fine after fire.........................

[Guest guest]

Ohhhh! Time alone....sighing wistfully....I wish! I love the people in my

life and for the most part they are good loving people. I learned long ago

to avoid the energy vamps. :-)There are a couple of people I'll have to deal

with for a couple more months, but then I can get away from them. It's

amazing the people you think are fine and normal nad will explode for little

or no reason. My hubby doesn't get all of this, but he is trying and that

is important. I think his biggest problem is he wants to fix everythign and

there really isn't anything he can fix. Life is what it is. My daughters are

my light. Of course, they do the sibling arguing thing and make me nuts. My

mom can't help her spells caused from the brain injury from the car

accident. I do wish I could have time alone to watch my Xena tapes and the

rest of my Angel dvds. I still haven't seen the last 2 seasons!

Cherie

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

> >>Now I'm heading back to bed to watch an OLD Annette Funicello movie,

> ahhhhhhhhhh I wanted to be a mouskateer..... yep, I'm well

> over 50.....

> ROFL<<

>

> AH but THAT is some of the best therapy there is! I just rented

> Harry Potter's latest and I still watch the old Disney animal

> movies o but only wiht a fresh box of Kleenex! Then there is the

> Wizard of Oz.. One of my all time favorites!

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

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Rosie

Just with one sentence. This person drove me crazy. I finally stopped seeing her

but I still am scared of her(as you mention at your other post). Still

struggling with my feelings of anger,disappointment,fear obsessively.I could not

get over this.

There is always one good side of everything that happens. She made me realise

the toxic relationship i had with my mother.I was not aware that my mother was

abusive until I knew this narcissistic friend.

thanks for support.

Nil

Ooooh hang on right there. If this person is narcissistic, I cannot

believe she is capable of being your friend. You don't think she sees

you as a separate person, do you, with your own needs? No, you are an

extension of her universe, and you exist only insofar as you help her

achieve her own desires.

Rosie/5 - not had bad experiences with narcissistic people, oh no.

[Guest guest]

Rosie

Just with one sentence. This person drove me crazy. I finally stopped seeing her

but I still am scared of her(as you mention at your other post). Still

struggling with my feelings of anger,disappointment,fear obsessively.I could not

get over this.

There is always one good side of everything that happens. She made me realise

the toxic relationship i had with my mother.I was not aware that my mother was

abusive until I knew this narcissistic friend.

thanks for support.

Nil

Ooooh hang on right there. If this person is narcissistic, I cannot

believe she is capable of being your friend. You don't think she sees

you as a separate person, do you, with your own needs? No, you are an

extension of her universe, and you exist only insofar as you help her

achieve her own desires.

Rosie/5 - not had bad experiences with narcissistic people, oh no.

[Guest guest]

thanks all who have answered.

sandra,

People who develop adrenal exhaustion are usually people pleasers,

perfectionists and sometimes obsessive compulsive types.

thanks.. that was what i thought and i think many of those are abused during

childhood.have just opened a poll about this.

Also, often people who need to control and spend lots of energy on trying to

control others and situations instead of letting go and letting God.

is this mainly narcissisim? i mean trying to control others.. or is this

present at other personality disorders,too?

I spent endless amounts of years in codependency (father was an alcoholic)

and control issues. I have now been forced to give this all up since I no

longer have the energy to do it, and my very low energy reserves no longer allow

for these types of behaviors. I, too, prefer to be alone now and enjoy peace

and quiet and sometimes I don't even know anymore if I even want to be in a

relationship anymore at all.

[Guest guest]

thanks all who have answered.

sandra,

People who develop adrenal exhaustion are usually people pleasers,

perfectionists and sometimes obsessive compulsive types.

thanks.. that was what i thought and i think many of those are abused during

childhood.have just opened a poll about this.

Also, often people who need to control and spend lots of energy on trying to

control others and situations instead of letting go and letting God.

is this mainly narcissisim? i mean trying to control others.. or is this

present at other personality disorders,too?

I spent endless amounts of years in codependency (father was an alcoholic)

and control issues. I have now been forced to give this all up since I no

longer have the energy to do it, and my very low energy reserves no longer allow

for these types of behaviors. I, too, prefer to be alone now and enjoy peace

and quiet and sometimes I don't even know anymore if I even want to be in a

relationship anymore at all.

[Guest guest]

thanks all who have answered.

sandra,

People who develop adrenal exhaustion are usually people pleasers,

perfectionists and sometimes obsessive compulsive types.

thanks.. that was what i thought and i think many of those are abused during

childhood.have just opened a poll about this.

Also, often people who need to control and spend lots of energy on trying to

control others and situations instead of letting go and letting God.

is this mainly narcissisim? i mean trying to control others.. or is this

present at other personality disorders,too?

I spent endless amounts of years in codependency (father was an alcoholic)

and control issues. I have now been forced to give this all up since I no

longer have the energy to do it, and my very low energy reserves no longer allow

for these types of behaviors. I, too, prefer to be alone now and enjoy peace

and quiet and sometimes I don't even know anymore if I even want to be in a

relationship anymore at all.

[Guest guest]

,

How did you apply the epsom salt with your father? I'm wondering if it might

help my mother. She was in a car accident back in Augest that caused

bleeding on her brain. She eventually had to have it drained off and spent a

total of 3 months in the hospital and nursing home. I was able to bring her

home a bit over a month ago and it is still like a roller coaster. Before

the accident she was mentally sound, only had a bit of problem with

remembering some short term things like if she had taken her meds. Now she

has almost no short term memory and has spells where she doesn't know who I

am or thinks everyone is trying to poison her. She can't take meds to help

calm her down because she reacts VERY negatively to them. I'm afraid to even

try a new one beacuse the reaction lasts at least 2 weeks. So I'm hoping

that maybe the salt thing would be helpful. Thanks!

Cherie

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

> My father (now deceased) had dementia, and we had borrowed some autism

> therapies that ended up really helping him, including epsom

> salts. Through

> a staffing error, unknown to me, the service that gave him baths in the

> morning stopped applying epsom salts to his skin after the bath,

> and in one

> month, he plummetted so badly that I thought we would have to put him in

> the nursing home. He had become violent, uncooperative,

> extremely sensory

> defensive for touch, sound, and light, and had started mixing up his

> grammar...he was just a complete mess. When I found out they had stopped

> the epsom salts, I called and told the new aide how to put the

> solution on

> his skin and within minutes of her doing this he lost all the

> negatives we

> had seen increase and was back to being a happy, gracious and contented

> Southern gentleman. We learned at that point if we skipped even one day,

> he would go back to being the violent and miserable mess he was

> without them.

>

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9:51 AM

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,

How did you apply the epsom salt with your father? I'm wondering if it might

help my mother. She was in a car accident back in Augest that caused

bleeding on her brain. She eventually had to have it drained off and spent a

total of 3 months in the hospital and nursing home. I was able to bring her

home a bit over a month ago and it is still like a roller coaster. Before

the accident she was mentally sound, only had a bit of problem with

remembering some short term things like if she had taken her meds. Now she

has almost no short term memory and has spells where she doesn't know who I

am or thinks everyone is trying to poison her. She can't take meds to help

calm her down because she reacts VERY negatively to them. I'm afraid to even

try a new one beacuse the reaction lasts at least 2 weeks. So I'm hoping

that maybe the salt thing would be helpful. Thanks!

Cherie

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

> My father (now deceased) had dementia, and we had borrowed some autism

> therapies that ended up really helping him, including epsom

> salts. Through

> a staffing error, unknown to me, the service that gave him baths in the

> morning stopped applying epsom salts to his skin after the bath,

> and in one

> month, he plummetted so badly that I thought we would have to put him in

> the nursing home. He had become violent, uncooperative,

> extremely sensory

> defensive for touch, sound, and light, and had started mixing up his

> grammar...he was just a complete mess. When I found out they had stopped

> the epsom salts, I called and told the new aide how to put the

> solution on

> his skin and within minutes of her doing this he lost all the

> negatives we

> had seen increase and was back to being a happy, gracious and contented

> Southern gentleman. We learned at that point if we skipped even one day,

> he would go back to being the violent and miserable mess he was

> without them.

>

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,

How did you apply the epsom salt with your father? I'm wondering if it might

help my mother. She was in a car accident back in Augest that caused

bleeding on her brain. She eventually had to have it drained off and spent a

total of 3 months in the hospital and nursing home. I was able to bring her

home a bit over a month ago and it is still like a roller coaster. Before

the accident she was mentally sound, only had a bit of problem with

remembering some short term things like if she had taken her meds. Now she

has almost no short term memory and has spells where she doesn't know who I

am or thinks everyone is trying to poison her. She can't take meds to help

calm her down because she reacts VERY negatively to them. I'm afraid to even

try a new one beacuse the reaction lasts at least 2 weeks. So I'm hoping

that maybe the salt thing would be helpful. Thanks!

Cherie

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

> My father (now deceased) had dementia, and we had borrowed some autism

> therapies that ended up really helping him, including epsom

> salts. Through

> a staffing error, unknown to me, the service that gave him baths in the

> morning stopped applying epsom salts to his skin after the bath,

> and in one

> month, he plummetted so badly that I thought we would have to put him in

> the nursing home. He had become violent, uncooperative,

> extremely sensory

> defensive for touch, sound, and light, and had started mixing up his

> grammar...he was just a complete mess. When I found out they had stopped

> the epsom salts, I called and told the new aide how to put the

> solution on

> his skin and within minutes of her doing this he lost all the

> negatives we

> had seen increase and was back to being a happy, gracious and contented

> Southern gentleman. We learned at that point if we skipped even one day,

> he would go back to being the violent and miserable mess he was

> without them.

>

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Cherie,

That is the beauty of the method I used. My father had broken his hip, so

he couldn't get into a tub, so what we did was mix in a cup or bowl one

part epsom salts to four parts water. The aide then gave him his bath (on

a bath chair with a hand shower), dried him off, and then used a sponge or

washcloth to wet his skin with this solution. We put it all over his body,

neck down. In your mother's case, starting off, in order to see how she

reacts, you can just do her arms or her legs or even a smaller part of

either. If she does fine, each day increment to a bit more skin

" territory " . I think that way, you won't get into any big negative

surprises. Some people also like foot baths, but personally, I think they

are a lot of trouble. My daughter also invented a more portable method of

using a stamp moistener bottle and putting the solution in there to use

when you feel you need more help for your detox system. When she was

little, she was super sensitive to everything, and it came in handy.

I'm sure you know from being on this list that even a good thing given in

too high a quantity at first, can be a negative. That's why it makes sense

to go " low and slow " .

Sulfation (applying sulfate to peptides and other molecules to help excrete

them) is a Phase II part of detoxification. Sometimes some of the other

Phase II processes (like glycination or glucuronidation) are weak

steps. This is why aiding the sulfate chemistry can make it much easier to

tolerate drugs that might otherwise be helpful.

I'll tell a little story to bring this home and I really apologize if this

is old hat, but it may be useful to someone.

My dad had yeast in his system so bad that his toenails were extremely

thick, yellow, and crumbly. I knew from autism circles that this was

likely to be an issue that went beyond his toes. It took time, but I

persuaded his doctor to do a systemic antifungal medicine. The day after

that, I arrived at my father's apartment (in a retirement high-rise) to

find him completely soaked in blood from stem to stern. There was not an

inch on his shirt that was not bright red. He had had a terrific

nosebleed. I called his doctor, the pharmacist, and

Bill Shaw, the head of the Great Plains Laboratory who has advocated for

years antifungal therapy for those with autism, so I knew he had a lot of

experience with antifungal medication. Nobody at first had a clue why this

happened, but I knew the only other medication my father was on was Ticlid,

a blood thinner. Dr. Shaw pointed out that the antifungal medication

likely used up his detox chemistry so profoundly that his blood levels of

the blood thinner had gotten too high. What we did at that point (the

bleeding had already stopped, by the way) after consulting with the makers

of both drugs and my father's doctor was to discontinue the Ticlid until

the round of antifungals was over, and then start it back. This was a good

decision, for he had significant cognitive improvement after the

antifungal, and it helped deal with the problem in his toes as well. My

dad was written up in Dr. Shaw's book as one of his successes!

I am mentioning this to stress that if your mom was on a lot of medication

in the hospital, the detox part of her chemistry really might be spent,

similarly to my father. That means that a low dose of something might end

up more like an overdose, for instead of the metabolites getting secreted

to urine, the metabolites don't form, and the drug itself may stay in the

blood and tissues where it continues to have activity far beyond " design

specs " .

I'm pretty sure most hospitals and doctors overlook this, or that has been

our experience. I know too many old people on a dozen medications with all

sorts of interactions and demands on detoxification, but no one knows when

to say, " Too much! "

Something sort of similar happened to my mother. She had day surgery for a

broken elbow and after she got over the anesthesia, they brought her a

fruit salad to eat. They already had started her on high dose tylenol,

which is a HUGE overuser of the detox chemistry. My mother then got

terribly nauseated, and that can be a first sign of tylenol toxicity and it

very dangerous because tylenol that isn't metabolized can be extremely

toxic. BAD PRACTICE. Unfortunately, the sort of nutrition expertise they

have in hospitals tends to overlook this sort of issue. There are

medication fact sheets, though, that tell you to avoid grapefruit, and this

exactly why...because of the demands that grapefruit makes on the detox

chemistry. Of course, my mother's fruit salad had a LOT of grapefruit in it!

So, getting back to your mom, Cherie, I hope that maybe helping her detox

chemistry will help her get over some of the effect of having been in the

hospital for so long with many medications. In an older person (whose

detox chemistry isn't that great because of age) it is very hard to tell

what is the " disease " or " damage " versus what is a reaction to the

combination of drugs that were given in the medical setting.

In my father, after he had hip surgery, a doctor I had fired the year

before because of malpractice related to not supplementing B12 in my father

after my father had lost most of his stomach and upper GI tract to surgery,

was brought in as a consultant to the rehab center, and he prescribed a

drug for reflux while my father was healing from surgery and probably on a

lot of pain medication, still. My father's dementia wasn't too bad a that

stage, but suddenly, he could not interpret what he was seeing and

described himself as being in an old house with really old furniture (and

he was in a hospital). His voice got high and squeaky. He was much more

demented. Everyone of his negative symptoms was listed in the PDR as an

adverse reaction seen sometimes in the elderly with the anti-reflux

drug. We took him off the med (which he really didn't need), and he got

back to normal.

Unfortunately, in my family, most of the REALLY BAD stuff we have

experienced as a family came from physicians being unaware of these sorts

of issues. Thank God that when I was in the hospital with desperately low

platelets, as a teenager, I had enough sense not to take the aspirin they

brought me on the night shift, as a for instance....

At 04:58 PM 1/29/2008, you wrote:

>,

>

>How did you apply the epsom salt with your father? I'm wondering if it might

>help my mother. She was in a car accident back in Augest that caused

>bleeding on her brain. She eventually had to have it drained off and spent a

>total of 3 months in the hospital and nursing home. I was able to bring her

>home a bit over a month ago and it is still like a roller coaster. Before

>the accident she was mentally sound, only had a bit of problem with

>remembering some short term things like if she had taken her meds. Now she

>has almost no short term memory and has spells where she doesn't know who I

>am or thinks everyone is trying to poison her. She can't take meds to help

>calm her down because she reacts VERY negatively to them. I'm afraid to even

>try a new one beacuse the reaction lasts at least 2 weeks. So I'm hoping

>that maybe the salt thing would be helpful. Thanks!

>

>Cherie

>

> A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

>enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

>

>

> >

> > My father (now deceased) had dementia, and we had borrowed some autism

> > therapies that ended up really helping him, including epsom

> > salts. Through

> > a staffing error, unknown to me, the service that gave him baths in the

> > morning stopped applying epsom salts to his skin after the bath,

> > and in one

> > month, he plummetted so badly that I thought we would have to put him in

> > the nursing home. He had become violent, uncooperative,

> > extremely sensory

> > defensive for touch, sound, and light, and had started mixing up his

> > grammar...he was just a complete mess. When I found out they had stopped

> > the epsom salts, I called and told the new aide how to put the

> > solution on

> > his skin and within minutes of her doing this he lost all the

> > negatives we

> > had seen increase and was back to being a happy, gracious and contented

> > Southern gentleman. We learned at that point if we skipped even one day,

> > he would go back to being the violent and miserable mess he was

> > without them.

> >

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Nil,

I will add to what you are saying that Cherie, you might want to avoid

cyanocobalamin because the body has to remove the cyano part before the

cobalamin can be used by the body's chemistry. Ever heard of cyanide? It

is processed in the body using an enzyme called Rhodanese

(thiosulphate:cyanide sulphurtransferase EC.2.8.1.1). This enzyme can be

weak step.

In autism circles, we have seen a lot of benefit from using either

methyl-B12 or hydroxy-B12.

Both of the forms of of B12 the body actually uses (methyl and adenosyl)

are formed with the help of glutathione, but glutathione gets depleted or

oxidized when a lot of detox has been going on.

In another post I just wrote I mentioned that we had dismissed my father's

doctor of twenty years when an ER doctor who saw him in the emergency room

after a car accident determined that my father had nerve damage in his legs

that was caused by B12 deficiency, and that was why he had the

accident. They put him on cyanocobalamin shots, but really, the shots

didn't change anything. I would bet you more than a nickel that if they

had used methyl-B12 and hydroxy-B12, that we would have seen an improvement

in what was at that time the very early stages of Alzheimers or dementia.

At 05:05 PM 1/29/2008, you wrote:

>Hi Cherie

>

>Also you might wish to check for B12 deficiency.Some anesthesia wipes out

>huge amounts of b12. If person is already deficient this may cause

>dementia like symptoms.

>Give him some absorbable B12. Injectable form might be better.

>

>Bw

>Nil

> RE: Perception by others that " sensitivity " is

>*your* fault, rather than " just " biochemistry?

>

>,

>

>How did you apply the epsom salt with your father? I'm wondering if it might

>help my mother. She was in a car accident back in Augest that caused

>bleeding on her brain. She eventually had to have it drained off and spent a

>total of 3 months in the hospital and nursing home. I was able to bring her

>home a bit over a month ago and it is still like a roller coaster. Before

>the accident she was mentally sound, only had a bit of problem with

>remembering some short term things like if she had taken her meds. Now she

>has almost no short term memory and has spells where she doesn't know who I

>am or thinks everyone is trying to poison her. She can't take meds to help

>calm her down because she reacts VERY negatively to them. I'm afraid to even

>try a new one beacuse the reaction lasts at least 2 weeks. So I'm hoping

>that maybe the salt thing would be helpful. Thanks!

>

>Cherie

>

>A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

>enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

> >

> > My father (now deceased) had dementia, and we had borrowed some autism

> > therapies that ended up really helping him, including epsom

> > salts. Through

> > a staffing error, unknown to me, the service that gave him baths in the

> > morning stopped applying epsom salts to his skin after the bath,

> > and in one

> > month, he plummetted so badly that I thought we would have to put him in

> > the nursing home. He had become violent, uncooperative,

> > extremely sensory

> > defensive for touch, sound, and light, and had started mixing up his

> > grammar...he was just a complete mess. When I found out they had stopped

> > the epsom salts, I called and told the new aide how to put the

> > solution on

> > his skin and within minutes of her doing this he lost all the

> > negatives we

> > had seen increase and was back to being a happy, gracious and contented

> > Southern gentleman. We learned at that point if we skipped even one day,

> > he would go back to being the violent and miserable mess he was

> > without them.

> >

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>9:51 AM

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>

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Nil,

I will add to what you are saying that Cherie, you might want to avoid

cyanocobalamin because the body has to remove the cyano part before the

cobalamin can be used by the body's chemistry. Ever heard of cyanide? It

is processed in the body using an enzyme called Rhodanese

(thiosulphate:cyanide sulphurtransferase EC.2.8.1.1). This enzyme can be

weak step.

In autism circles, we have seen a lot of benefit from using either

methyl-B12 or hydroxy-B12.

Both of the forms of of B12 the body actually uses (methyl and adenosyl)

are formed with the help of glutathione, but glutathione gets depleted or

oxidized when a lot of detox has been going on.

In another post I just wrote I mentioned that we had dismissed my father's

doctor of twenty years when an ER doctor who saw him in the emergency room

after a car accident determined that my father had nerve damage in his legs

that was caused by B12 deficiency, and that was why he had the

accident. They put him on cyanocobalamin shots, but really, the shots

didn't change anything. I would bet you more than a nickel that if they

had used methyl-B12 and hydroxy-B12, that we would have seen an improvement

in what was at that time the very early stages of Alzheimers or dementia.

At 05:05 PM 1/29/2008, you wrote:

>Hi Cherie

>

>Also you might wish to check for B12 deficiency.Some anesthesia wipes out

>huge amounts of b12. If person is already deficient this may cause

>dementia like symptoms.

>Give him some absorbable B12. Injectable form might be better.

>

>Bw

>Nil

> RE: Perception by others that " sensitivity " is

>*your* fault, rather than " just " biochemistry?

>

>,

>

>How did you apply the epsom salt with your father? I'm wondering if it might

>help my mother. She was in a car accident back in Augest that caused

>bleeding on her brain. She eventually had to have it drained off and spent a

>total of 3 months in the hospital and nursing home. I was able to bring her

>home a bit over a month ago and it is still like a roller coaster. Before

>the accident she was mentally sound, only had a bit of problem with

>remembering some short term things like if she had taken her meds. Now she

>has almost no short term memory and has spells where she doesn't know who I

>am or thinks everyone is trying to poison her. She can't take meds to help

>calm her down because she reacts VERY negatively to them. I'm afraid to even

>try a new one beacuse the reaction lasts at least 2 weeks. So I'm hoping

>that maybe the salt thing would be helpful. Thanks!

>

>Cherie

>

>A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

>enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

> >

> > My father (now deceased) had dementia, and we had borrowed some autism

> > therapies that ended up really helping him, including epsom

> > salts. Through

> > a staffing error, unknown to me, the service that gave him baths in the

> > morning stopped applying epsom salts to his skin after the bath,

> > and in one

> > month, he plummetted so badly that I thought we would have to put him in

> > the nursing home. He had become violent, uncooperative,

> > extremely sensory

> > defensive for touch, sound, and light, and had started mixing up his

> > grammar...he was just a complete mess. When I found out they had stopped

> > the epsom salts, I called and told the new aide how to put the

> > solution on

> > his skin and within minutes of her doing this he lost all the

> > negatives we

> > had seen increase and was back to being a happy, gracious and contented

> > Southern gentleman. We learned at that point if we skipped even one day,

> > he would go back to being the violent and miserable mess he was

> > without them.

> >

>No virus found in this outgoing message.

>Checked by AVG Free Edition.

>Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1249 - Release Date: 1/29/2008

>9:51 AM

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nil,

I will add to what you are saying that Cherie, you might want to avoid

cyanocobalamin because the body has to remove the cyano part before the

cobalamin can be used by the body's chemistry. Ever heard of cyanide? It

is processed in the body using an enzyme called Rhodanese

(thiosulphate:cyanide sulphurtransferase EC.2.8.1.1). This enzyme can be

weak step.

In autism circles, we have seen a lot of benefit from using either

methyl-B12 or hydroxy-B12.

Both of the forms of of B12 the body actually uses (methyl and adenosyl)

are formed with the help of glutathione, but glutathione gets depleted or

oxidized when a lot of detox has been going on.

In another post I just wrote I mentioned that we had dismissed my father's

doctor of twenty years when an ER doctor who saw him in the emergency room

after a car accident determined that my father had nerve damage in his legs

that was caused by B12 deficiency, and that was why he had the

accident. They put him on cyanocobalamin shots, but really, the shots

didn't change anything. I would bet you more than a nickel that if they

had used methyl-B12 and hydroxy-B12, that we would have seen an improvement

in what was at that time the very early stages of Alzheimers or dementia.

At 05:05 PM 1/29/2008, you wrote:

>Hi Cherie

>

>Also you might wish to check for B12 deficiency.Some anesthesia wipes out

>huge amounts of b12. If person is already deficient this may cause

>dementia like symptoms.

>Give him some absorbable B12. Injectable form might be better.

>

>Bw

>Nil

> RE: Perception by others that " sensitivity " is

>*your* fault, rather than " just " biochemistry?

>

>,

>

>How did you apply the epsom salt with your father? I'm wondering if it might

>help my mother. She was in a car accident back in Augest that caused

>bleeding on her brain. She eventually had to have it drained off and spent a

>total of 3 months in the hospital and nursing home. I was able to bring her

>home a bit over a month ago and it is still like a roller coaster. Before

>the accident she was mentally sound, only had a bit of problem with

>remembering some short term things like if she had taken her meds. Now she

>has almost no short term memory and has spells where she doesn't know who I

>am or thinks everyone is trying to poison her. She can't take meds to help

>calm her down because she reacts VERY negatively to them. I'm afraid to even

>try a new one beacuse the reaction lasts at least 2 weeks. So I'm hoping

>that maybe the salt thing would be helpful. Thanks!

>

>Cherie

>

>A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

>enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

> >

> > My father (now deceased) had dementia, and we had borrowed some autism

> > therapies that ended up really helping him, including epsom

> > salts. Through

> > a staffing error, unknown to me, the service that gave him baths in the

> > morning stopped applying epsom salts to his skin after the bath,

> > and in one

> > month, he plummetted so badly that I thought we would have to put him in

> > the nursing home. He had become violent, uncooperative,

> > extremely sensory

> > defensive for touch, sound, and light, and had started mixing up his

> > grammar...he was just a complete mess. When I found out they had stopped

> > the epsom salts, I called and told the new aide how to put the

> > solution on

> > his skin and within minutes of her doing this he lost all the

> > negatives we

> > had seen increase and was back to being a happy, gracious and contented

> > Southern gentleman. We learned at that point if we skipped even one day,

> > he would go back to being the violent and miserable mess he was

> > without them.

> >

>No virus found in this outgoing message.

>Checked by AVG Free Edition.

>Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1249 - Release Date: 1/29/2008

>9:51 AM

>

>