Re: Test results...progesterone

[Guest guest]

Here is the thing about progesterone. Progesterone is a major precursor of

both aldosterone and cortisol. It is very necessary for adrenals. I like Dr.

Lam's info:

http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm

You can also google " adrenals progesterone " and find excellent info and

studies.

I am more and more sure that the saliva Diagnos Techs are not accurate for

progesterone in adrenal fatigue and found at least two articles discussing

false elevated levels on it. It has something to do with poor adrenals

pulling from progesterone (which you would think would show low

progesterone). I don't have the full answer on this, but I don't trust the

test. I showed super high on my last two labs over the past 6 months and I

am low and started to supplement with cream again. I feel much better on

cream and progesterone is really needed for adrenals. I also found this high

reading tends to happen more with people in late stage adrenal fatigue. I

have talked to at least half a dozen people who say the same thing about

their labs and are from stage 5 to stage 7. They were all low in

progesterone and the saliva test showed super high.

I think you can add progesterone cream with your HC protocol as you try to

help your adrenals. I definitely felt worse when I weaned off my cream (got

the estrogen dominance symptoms again) and am going to stay on it longer

until I feel more stable. Just don't go too high. Too high will give you a

whole new set of problems. I don't recommend more than 44 mg a day and I

split mine. My jar says I can use up to 88 mg a day but I don't.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

Sorry it took me a while to get back to you. I've been running around

like crazy w/ my two kiddos!

So, you're response made me a little nervous. Do they seem that bad?

I know the estrogen is super high and the cortisol is low. The

progesterone is high though so I'm confused about using progesterone

cream. I know the estrogen needs to be opposed but if the labs show I

already have high progesterone, is it still smart to use cream?

.

[Guest guest]

Here is the thing about progesterone. Progesterone is a major precursor of

both aldosterone and cortisol. It is very necessary for adrenals. I like Dr.

Lam's info:

http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm

You can also google " adrenals progesterone " and find excellent info and

studies.

I am more and more sure that the saliva Diagnos Techs are not accurate for

progesterone in adrenal fatigue and found at least two articles discussing

false elevated levels on it. It has something to do with poor adrenals

pulling from progesterone (which you would think would show low

progesterone). I don't have the full answer on this, but I don't trust the

test. I showed super high on my last two labs over the past 6 months and I

am low and started to supplement with cream again. I feel much better on

cream and progesterone is really needed for adrenals. I also found this high

reading tends to happen more with people in late stage adrenal fatigue. I

have talked to at least half a dozen people who say the same thing about

their labs and are from stage 5 to stage 7. They were all low in

progesterone and the saliva test showed super high.

I think you can add progesterone cream with your HC protocol as you try to

help your adrenals. I definitely felt worse when I weaned off my cream (got

the estrogen dominance symptoms again) and am going to stay on it longer

until I feel more stable. Just don't go too high. Too high will give you a

whole new set of problems. I don't recommend more than 44 mg a day and I

split mine. My jar says I can use up to 88 mg a day but I don't.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

Sorry it took me a while to get back to you. I've been running around

like crazy w/ my two kiddos!

So, you're response made me a little nervous. Do they seem that bad?

I know the estrogen is super high and the cortisol is low. The

progesterone is high though so I'm confused about using progesterone

cream. I know the estrogen needs to be opposed but if the labs show I

already have high progesterone, is it still smart to use cream?

.

[Guest guest]

Here is the thing about progesterone. Progesterone is a major precursor of

both aldosterone and cortisol. It is very necessary for adrenals. I like Dr.

Lam's info:

http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm

You can also google " adrenals progesterone " and find excellent info and

studies.

I am more and more sure that the saliva Diagnos Techs are not accurate for

progesterone in adrenal fatigue and found at least two articles discussing

false elevated levels on it. It has something to do with poor adrenals

pulling from progesterone (which you would think would show low

progesterone). I don't have the full answer on this, but I don't trust the

test. I showed super high on my last two labs over the past 6 months and I

am low and started to supplement with cream again. I feel much better on

cream and progesterone is really needed for adrenals. I also found this high

reading tends to happen more with people in late stage adrenal fatigue. I

have talked to at least half a dozen people who say the same thing about

their labs and are from stage 5 to stage 7. They were all low in

progesterone and the saliva test showed super high.

I think you can add progesterone cream with your HC protocol as you try to

help your adrenals. I definitely felt worse when I weaned off my cream (got

the estrogen dominance symptoms again) and am going to stay on it longer

until I feel more stable. Just don't go too high. Too high will give you a

whole new set of problems. I don't recommend more than 44 mg a day and I

split mine. My jar says I can use up to 88 mg a day but I don't.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

Sorry it took me a while to get back to you. I've been running around

like crazy w/ my two kiddos!

So, you're response made me a little nervous. Do they seem that bad?

I know the estrogen is super high and the cortisol is low. The

progesterone is high though so I'm confused about using progesterone

cream. I know the estrogen needs to be opposed but if the labs show I

already have high progesterone, is it still smart to use cream?

.

[Guest guest]

MsSquarepants wrote:

> I do know that tons of different things you eat can give false

> elevated numbers like cocoa or chocolate. That is one bad thing about saliva

> tests.

>

>

So how many days prior to testing do we need to avoid chocolate? Or is

that only to be avoided on the test day, which is waht the instrucitons

to my saliva tests said.

LOL.

sol

[Guest guest]

What is low progesterone for a man? My last labs came back with

progesterone at .5 normal being anything under 1.4 as Quest labs

measures. My doc in MI said last I saw him he might try me on some

progesterone to help take the hard edges off of the HC and to help me

sleep but I asked to test first. He won't do anything over the phone

so I have to wait until I see him again in a month. Meanwhile, the

doc I saw in GA thought that chromium would help me sleep because it

would help level out my blood sugar overnight. That didn't seem to

work either and I cut it out after a few days b/c I think that it

might have been contributing to increased GI problems over the past

several days.

Has anyone else heard of progesterone being prescribed for men in the

manner that my MI doc suggested?

Thanks,

>

> Estrogen high with cortisol low makes sense because when you raise

cortisol

> to healthy levels, estrogen drops.

>

> The high progesterone just doesnt' make sense with AF patients so I

am going

> to research this more. Especially when the patients suffer from low

progest

> symptoms or have tested low on the blood tests.

>

> Cheri

[Guest guest]

The first time I had sex hormones checked was my Diagnostech saliva

labs in August, before any kind of adrenal support, and my estrogen

was off the charts. After a month of Isocort it came right down.

Last labs of two weeks ago total Estrogen was 106 (range of 130 or

less normal) and Estradiol 21 (range of 13-54).

>

> Did your labs show high estrogen? That is the most common reason men are

> prescribe progest.

> Cheri

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