Re: symptom relief with candida treatment

October 2, 2007

>

> I believe some of my symptoms such as moods swings and brain fog

could

> be caused by candida. I noticed that after a few rounds of

chelation my

> tongue would become more coated and white and I started to crave

sweets

> and sugar. I tried a candida diet for a while and it helped a

little

> bit.

>

> Do you think one can get significant symptom relief from just

taking

> antifungals like nyastatin every time yeast starts to flare up?

TK--- yes or taking natural antifungals regularly along with diet.

Pathogen die off is neurotoxic and causes the same side effects as Hg

which is why it is a good idea to keep it under control so you know

what is causing what reactions.

>

> I know that candida will go away if metals are gone but I wonder if

i

> can get symptom relief in the meantime. Success anyone?

TK--- many do with diet and natural antifungals

>

> Is it really necessary to follow a candida diet or is just taking

> antifungals enough?

TK-- diet is most important

Can an antifungal treatment be dangerous? Should

> this be done under the supervision of a doctor?

>

> Are there natural non Rx supplements that are as effective as

> the 'chemical' ones?

TK--- yes

>

October 2, 2007

>

> I believe some of my symptoms such as moods swings and brain fog could

> be caused by candida.

Those same symptoms could also be caused by adrenal insufficiency.

I noticed that after a few rounds of chelation my

> tongue would become more coated and white and I started to crave sweets

> and sugar. I tried a candida diet for a while and it helped a little

> bit.

>

> Do you think one can get significant symptom relief from just taking

> antifungals like nyastatin every time yeast starts to flare up?

>

The problem is that one would want to work with a practitioner who

knows how to use antifungals properly, and there aren't very many of

those around. Use of antifungals carries some risk of killing off

beneficial organisms and selecting for resistant organisms.

> I know that candida will go away if metals are gone but I wonder if i

> can get symptom relief in the meantime. Success anyone?

>

Yeast stopped being a problem for me when I changed my diet to exclude

gluten, dairy, and refined sugars. I have had even better results

with the SCD and especially with the SCD yogurt.

> Is it really necessary to follow a candida diet or is just taking

> antifungals enough?

It would be better to use dietary measures to control yeast and avoid

the risks involved with using antifungals.

There are as many variations on the 'candida' diet as there are people

who want to talk about it.

The SCD works because the nutrients from SCD legal foods are quickly

absorbed and then there are no sugars and starches hanging around in

the GI tract to feed yeast and other opportunists.

Can an antifungal treatment be dangerous? Should

> this be done under the supervision of a doctor?

>

The trouble is that there are not very many doctors who would

understand how to use antifungals properly.

There are some posts from Andy on the subject that likely could be

found using www.onibasu.com

Fungal cells are more similar to human cells than bacterial cells are.

Therefore antifungals are more toxic to human cells as compared to

antibiotics, meaning one risk is damaging your own cells. Another

risk is killing off beneficial organisms and selecting for organisms

that are resistant to the antifungals used.

> Are there natural non Rx supplements that are as effective as

> the 'chemical' ones?

>

Yes, when used properly. From my memory what Andy has said is that

naturopaths who use the OTC yeast treatments get better results with

their patient's yeast problems as compared to doctors who use the Rx

antifungals. It would be better to search for his posts on the subject.

J

October 3, 2007

I am really struggling with candida as well. I was on a gluten free,

sugar free diet before I started chelating, and I felt really great.

Now, since chelation, I'm struggling with sweets and breads more than

ever. It recently dawned on me (memory, ha!) that I should tackle

this issue once more.

I had great success with a probiotic called 'Ultra Primal Defense'

from Garden of Life. I started using it again after my last round of

chelation. The dye off side-effects are very similar to my chelation

side-effects. Right now I can only tolerate one a day. In the past

I took three a day without problems. I guess the candida is out of

control again.

Garden of Life also has a product called Fungal Defense, but I am not

brave enough to try it yet.

There is a definite correlation between metals and yeast. I wish

there were more information out there about the two. If anyone knows

of any, please, let me know.

>

> I believe some of my symptoms such as moods swings and brain fog

could

> be caused by candida. I noticed that after a few rounds of

chelation my

> tongue would become more coated and white and I started to crave

sweets

> and sugar. I tried a candida diet for a while and it helped a

little

> bit.

>

> Do you think one can get significant symptom relief from just

taking

> antifungals like nyastatin every time yeast starts to flare up?

>

> I know that candida will go away if metals are gone but I wonder if

i

> can get symptom relief in the meantime. Success anyone?

>

> Is it really necessary to follow a candida diet or is just taking

> antifungals enough? Can an antifungal treatment be dangerous?

Should

> this be done under the supervision of a doctor?

>

> Are there natural non Rx supplements that are as effective as

> the 'chemical' ones?

>

October 3, 2007

I used Garden of Life Ultra probiotics too and it is hands down the best one

thing I have ever taken. Helps me absorbed the other supplements, has helped

my digestive track tremendously, and if I miss a day, I really notice it. I

take at least 4 per day, sometimes more.

My Candida is pretty severe and systematic since age 11. I use Nizoral for

the scalp but besides the wheat free/sugar free/gluten free diet and

probiotics, nothing else has seemed to help much.

I did find that activated charcoal every once in awhile can help " mop up "

some of the die off.

Cheri

Re: symptom relief with candida

treatment

October 4, 2007

Cheri,

Primal defense is awesome! I am a huge Garden of Life fan. Have you

tried their RM-10? It is a great immune system booster.

I am hoping that this Candida will disappear when the mercury is

finally gone. Interesting that you said scalp problems, my scalp

itches around my neck all of the time.

I like activated charcoal as well as Sonne's bentonite clay.

I wish there was more info on the relationship between metals and

yeast.

>

> I used Garden of Life Ultra probiotics too and it is hands down the

best one

> thing I have ever taken. Helps me absorbed the other supplements,

has helped

> my digestive track tremendously, and if I miss a day, I really

notice it. I

> take at least 4 per day, sometimes more.

>

> My Candida is pretty severe and systematic since age 11. I use

Nizoral for

> the scalp but besides the wheat free/sugar free/gluten free diet and

> probiotics, nothing else has seemed to help much.

>

> I did find that activated charcoal every once in awhile can

help " mop up "

> some of the die off.

>

> Cheri

> Re: symptom relief with candida

> treatment

>

October 4, 2007

Cheri,

Primal defense is awesome! I am a huge Garden of Life fan. Have you

tried their RM-10? It is a great immune system booster.

I am hoping that this Candida will disappear when the mercury is

finally gone. Interesting that you said scalp problems, my scalp

itches around my neck all of the time.

I like activated charcoal as well as Sonne's bentonite clay.

I wish there was more info on the relationship between metals and

yeast.

>

> I used Garden of Life Ultra probiotics too and it is hands down the

best one

> thing I have ever taken. Helps me absorbed the other supplements,

has helped

> my digestive track tremendously, and if I miss a day, I really

notice it. I

> take at least 4 per day, sometimes more.

>

> My Candida is pretty severe and systematic since age 11. I use

Nizoral for

> the scalp but besides the wheat free/sugar free/gluten free diet and

> probiotics, nothing else has seemed to help much.

>

> I did find that activated charcoal every once in awhile can

help " mop up "

> some of the die off.

>

> Cheri

> Re: symptom relief with candida

> treatment

>

October 4, 2007

Cheri,

Primal defense is awesome! I am a huge Garden of Life fan. Have you

tried their RM-10? It is a great immune system booster.

I am hoping that this Candida will disappear when the mercury is

finally gone. Interesting that you said scalp problems, my scalp

itches around my neck all of the time.

I like activated charcoal as well as Sonne's bentonite clay.

I wish there was more info on the relationship between metals and

yeast.

>

> I used Garden of Life Ultra probiotics too and it is hands down the

best one

> thing I have ever taken. Helps me absorbed the other supplements,

has helped

> my digestive track tremendously, and if I miss a day, I really

notice it. I

> take at least 4 per day, sometimes more.

>

> My Candida is pretty severe and systematic since age 11. I use

Nizoral for

> the scalp but besides the wheat free/sugar free/gluten free diet and

> probiotics, nothing else has seemed to help much.

>

> I did find that activated charcoal every once in awhile can

help " mop up "

> some of the die off.

>

> Cheri

> Re: symptom relief with candida

> treatment

>

October 5, 2007

I did a gluten free diet and felt much better. Since starting

chelation I crave sooo much sweets, bread and chocolate

My tongue is very white again. I think it's the metals coming out

again...

There are different opinions on yeast and metals. Very interesting

stuff. Some say the metals lower the immune system and let candida

grow.

Others say the body uses yeast to protect itself from mercury.

I believe andy said that the candida problem starts in the brain.

Brain mercury will mess up hormones which causes candida overgrowth.

Sometimes i feel candida overgrowth and metal toxcity is the same

illness. I do believe metals come first and then candida follows...

Not sure how much chelation is needed to get rid of yeast????

> >

> > I believe some of my symptoms such as moods swings and brain fog

> could

> > be caused by candida. I noticed that after a few rounds of

> chelation my

> > tongue would become more coated and white and I started to crave

> sweets

> > and sugar. I tried a candida diet for a while and it helped a

> little

> > bit.

> >

> > Do you think one can get significant symptom relief from just

> taking

> > antifungals like nyastatin every time yeast starts to flare up?

> >

> > I know that candida will go away if metals are gone but I wonder

if

> i

> > can get symptom relief in the meantime. Success anyone?

> >

> > Is it really necessary to follow a candida diet or is just taking

> > antifungals enough? Can an antifungal treatment be dangerous?

> Should

> > this be done under the supervision of a doctor?

> >

> > Are there natural non Rx supplements that are as effective as

> > the 'chemical' ones?

> >

>

October 5, 2007

I did a gluten free diet and felt much better. Since starting

chelation I crave sooo much sweets, bread and chocolate

My tongue is very white again. I think it's the metals coming out

again...

There are different opinions on yeast and metals. Very interesting

stuff. Some say the metals lower the immune system and let candida

grow.

Others say the body uses yeast to protect itself from mercury.

I believe andy said that the candida problem starts in the brain.

Brain mercury will mess up hormones which causes candida overgrowth.

Sometimes i feel candida overgrowth and metal toxcity is the same

illness. I do believe metals come first and then candida follows...

Not sure how much chelation is needed to get rid of yeast????

> >

> > I believe some of my symptoms such as moods swings and brain fog

> could

> > be caused by candida. I noticed that after a few rounds of

> chelation my

> > tongue would become more coated and white and I started to crave

> sweets

> > and sugar. I tried a candida diet for a while and it helped a

> little

> > bit.

> >

> > Do you think one can get significant symptom relief from just

> taking

> > antifungals like nyastatin every time yeast starts to flare up?

> >

> > I know that candida will go away if metals are gone but I wonder

if

> i

> > can get symptom relief in the meantime. Success anyone?

> >

> > Is it really necessary to follow a candida diet or is just taking

> > antifungals enough? Can an antifungal treatment be dangerous?

> Should

> > this be done under the supervision of a doctor?

> >

> > Are there natural non Rx supplements that are as effective as

> > the 'chemical' ones?

> >

>

October 5, 2007

I did a gluten free diet and felt much better. Since starting

chelation I crave sooo much sweets, bread and chocolate

My tongue is very white again. I think it's the metals coming out

again...

There are different opinions on yeast and metals. Very interesting

stuff. Some say the metals lower the immune system and let candida

grow.

Others say the body uses yeast to protect itself from mercury.

I believe andy said that the candida problem starts in the brain.

Brain mercury will mess up hormones which causes candida overgrowth.

Sometimes i feel candida overgrowth and metal toxcity is the same

illness. I do believe metals come first and then candida follows...

Not sure how much chelation is needed to get rid of yeast????

> >

> > I believe some of my symptoms such as moods swings and brain fog

> could

> > be caused by candida. I noticed that after a few rounds of

> chelation my

> > tongue would become more coated and white and I started to crave

> sweets

> > and sugar. I tried a candida diet for a while and it helped a

> little

> > bit.

> >

> > Do you think one can get significant symptom relief from just

> taking

> > antifungals like nyastatin every time yeast starts to flare up?

> >

> > I know that candida will go away if metals are gone but I wonder

if

> i

> > can get symptom relief in the meantime. Success anyone?

> >

> > Is it really necessary to follow a candida diet or is just taking

> > antifungals enough? Can an antifungal treatment be dangerous?

> Should

> > this be done under the supervision of a doctor?

> >

> > Are there natural non Rx supplements that are as effective as

> > the 'chemical' ones?

> >

>

October 6, 2007

> > >

> > > I believe some of my symptoms such as moods swings and brain

fog

> > could

> > > be caused by candida. I noticed that after a few rounds of

> > chelation my

> > > tongue would become more coated and white and I started to

crave

> > sweets

> > > and sugar. I tried a candida diet for a while and it helped a

> > little

> > > bit.

> > >

> > > Do you think one can get significant symptom relief from just

> > taking

> > > antifungals like nyastatin every time yeast starts to flare up?

> > >

> > > I know that candida will go away if metals are gone but I

wonder

> if

> > i

> > > can get symptom relief in the meantime. Success anyone?

> > >

> > > Is it really necessary to follow a candida diet or is just

taking

> > > antifungals enough? Can an antifungal treatment be dangerous?

> > Should

> > > this be done under the supervision of a doctor?

> > >

> > > Are there natural non Rx supplements that are as effective as

> > > the 'chemical' ones?

> > >

> >

>

October 6, 2007

> > >

> > > I believe some of my symptoms such as moods swings and brain

fog

> > could

> > > be caused by candida. I noticed that after a few rounds of

> > chelation my

> > > tongue would become more coated and white and I started to

crave

> > sweets

> > > and sugar. I tried a candida diet for a while and it helped a

> > little

> > > bit.

> > >

> > > Do you think one can get significant symptom relief from just

> > taking

> > > antifungals like nyastatin every time yeast starts to flare up?

> > >

> > > I know that candida will go away if metals are gone but I

wonder

> if

> > i

> > > can get symptom relief in the meantime. Success anyone?

> > >

> > > Is it really necessary to follow a candida diet or is just

taking

> > > antifungals enough? Can an antifungal treatment be dangerous?

> > Should

> > > this be done under the supervision of a doctor?

> > >

> > > Are there natural non Rx supplements that are as effective as

> > > the 'chemical' ones?

> > >

> >

>

October 6, 2007

> > >

> > > I believe some of my symptoms such as moods swings and brain

fog

> > could

> > > be caused by candida. I noticed that after a few rounds of

> > chelation my

> > > tongue would become more coated and white and I started to

crave

> > sweets

> > > and sugar. I tried a candida diet for a while and it helped a

> > little

> > > bit.

> > >

> > > Do you think one can get significant symptom relief from just

> > taking

> > > antifungals like nyastatin every time yeast starts to flare up?

> > >

> > > I know that candida will go away if metals are gone but I

wonder

> if

> > i

> > > can get symptom relief in the meantime. Success anyone?

> > >

> > > Is it really necessary to follow a candida diet or is just

taking

> > > antifungals enough? Can an antifungal treatment be dangerous?

> > Should

> > > this be done under the supervision of a doctor?

> > >

> > > Are there natural non Rx supplements that are as effective as

> > > the 'chemical' ones?

> > >

> >

>

October 6, 2007

> Does Andy talk about this in AI?? Or somewhere else. I would be

> interested in reading this. I must have missed it.

No it was in one of his posts on Autism-Mercury. I don't remember what

exactly he said but i think he mentioned problems with Cortisol can

cause yeast overgrowth.

October 6, 2007

> Does Andy talk about this in AI?? Or somewhere else. I would be

> interested in reading this. I must have missed it.

No it was in one of his posts on Autism-Mercury. I don't remember what

exactly he said but i think he mentioned problems with Cortisol can

cause yeast overgrowth.

October 6, 2007

> Does Andy talk about this in AI?? Or somewhere else. I would be

> interested in reading this. I must have missed it.

here is the link if you are interested:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/1668.html

October 6, 2007

> Does Andy talk about this in AI?? Or somewhere else. I would be

> interested in reading this. I must have missed it.

here is the link if you are interested:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/1668.html

October 6, 2007

> > I believe andy said that the candida problem starts in the brain.

> > Brain mercury will mess up hormones which causes candida overgrowth.

> >

> Does Andy talk about this in AI?? Or somewhere else. I would be

> interested in reading this. I must have missed it.

I don't know if Andy makes a direct connection in the book between

brain mercury and candida, but certainly brain mercury can mess up

hormone levels and many hormones are involved in immune function.

Mercury can also mess up immune function directly, which is

definitely in the book.

--

October 6, 2007

> > I believe andy said that the candida problem starts in the brain.

> > Brain mercury will mess up hormones which causes candida overgrowth.

> >

> Does Andy talk about this in AI?? Or somewhere else. I would be

> interested in reading this. I must have missed it.

I don't know if Andy makes a direct connection in the book between

brain mercury and candida, but certainly brain mercury can mess up

hormone levels and many hormones are involved in immune function.

Mercury can also mess up immune function directly, which is

definitely in the book.

--

October 7, 2007

Andy mentions candida in his book on a few occassions and that it

should be treated.

He says candida overgrowth goes along with Hg poisoning. (Pg.189 AI

book)He says that controlling and treating yeast will keep you more

comfortable during chelation as will a sulphur exclusion diet. That

you must take things to restore natural gut flora, like

lactobacillus acidophilus, bifidobacteria.

And yes messed up adrenals can make candida worse. As can diet,

chelation etc.

As I read it, chronic candida causes leaky gut after enough time has

gone by, that is why so many do well on GF/CF diets. Or with the

help of digestive enzymes. It keeps food particles from getting

through the leaky gut and causing immune reaction. Treating the

yeast is important to healing the leaky gut. Too much yeast make the

holes in the gut wall.

Mercury changes gut flora by killing the good flora off. Also,Yeast

likes to feed on the mercury. The good flora usually keeps yeast in

control. Not enough good flora..then no control. the yeast takes

over. And you get sicker. It affects brain, body, everything. And

yes, lowered immune fuction doesn't help you with control either.

It's a catch 22.

A white tongue is yeast. You will not see evidence of metals comming

out. With the exception of foul smelling sweat, urine or feces.

Craving sweets or carbs is a clear yeast sign. Itchy ears, eyes,

congestion, headaches, rashes..etc..yeast.

Search www.onibasu.com for Andy's posts.

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " arendtright "

wrote:

>

> >

> > I did a gluten free diet and felt much better. Since starting

> > chelation I crave sooo much sweets, bread and chocolate

> >

> > My tongue is very white again. I think it's the metals coming

out

> > again...

> >

> > There are different

October 8, 2007

CLear and concise post. Thank you! However, I just wanted to share

that these common symptoms may not always be present as is what

happened to me!

I am getting better doing the candida diet with probiotics and

using Solomon Wickey's CanSol. However, I just had not had any of

these typical symptoms, and it took a bolt of lightening from a

gifted healer to figure out that candida was one of my big problems.

Candida can burrow in almost anywhere, and can take harbor in any

organ. It also transforms from yeast to fungus, and can create all

sort of nasty problems. Now that I have been on the diet for awhile,

I am testing positive in the spittle test whereas before, it was hard

to tell. My hands are also breaking out, and I am guessing this is

because the candida is now begining to crawl out of its depths,

making itself seen some.

I am also feeling much better....er...well, at least most of the time.

Thanks,

Inga

> A white tongue is yeast. You will not see evidence of metals comming

> out. With the exception of foul smelling sweat, urine or feces.

> Craving sweets or carbs is a clear yeast sign. Itchy ears, eyes,

> congestion, headaches, rashes..etc..yeast.

October 8, 2007