Re: REALLY low, frequent doses?

[Guest guest]

Dean, I get the impression that those who have the most trouble or

are just starting out are the ones more likely to be posting

messages. It seems there's thousands of members in related groups.

We probably have no way of knowing how many people are on this

protocol, but it sure would be interesting to get some idea. Does

anyone know many books have sold?

I personally have no desire to chelate at such low doses even though

I do experience frustrating symptoms on ALA. Mercury toxicity has

affected far too many years in my life as it is, and the reason for

chelating is to get a few more normal, productive years, without

compensatory medications, before I'm too old to bother. (And at the

very least, become a more solid, confident 'voice' that can help

bring awareness of this illness out in the open.) With that said,

I'm only able to take 12 mg doses of ALA with 50 mg DMSA so far, but

will certainly step up the ALA and decrease DMSA as I'm able. Just

call me impatient, but I couldn't conceive of dragging this out any

longer than necessary.

My perspective may be different because I had to give up prospects

of working at anything substantial 11 years ago due mostly to

symptoms of dementia. I gradually went from the corporate board

room to losing my ability to dial a phone number. Much of that has

passed, yet if I were trying to hold a full time job now it would be

far below my educational ability and professional background, the

chelator dosage amounts I'm taking probably wouldn't be an option,

and my non-working hours would be spent almost entirely

resting/sleeping. In that situation, I probably wouldn't post a lot

of messages, either.

I hope to see more studies relating to this. Are any taking place?

Joanne

>

> Going through the archives, it seems as though going too fast, and

toxic

> side effects, are the biggest barrier to chelating effectively and

> pleasantly. I'm beginning to wonder if we couldn't go faster by

going

> slower.

>

[Guest guest]

You can dose as low as you want.

As to longer rounds:

Breaks are usually recommended. Most people need them due to sleep

interruption and/or side effects.

If a person does well on chelation and wants to try longer rounds,

ALA seems to be the best choice.

DMSA can reduce neutrophil count and the maximum round length that

Andy suggests for DMSA is 2 weeks (Amalgam Illness, p. 203).

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>

> Going through the archives, it seems as though going too fast, and toxic

> side effects, are the biggest barrier to chelating effectively and

> pleasantly. I'm beginning to wonder if we couldn't go faster by going

> slower.

>

> In other words, I wonder if it would make sense to carry Andy's idea of

> small, frequent doses even a little further. For example, start

with 5 mg

> DMSA every 3 hours, and eventually add a similar dose of ALA. Yes,

it would

> be very slow, but to make up for it, you could probably do LONG rounds.

> Maybe even a month on and a week off? Or maybe you wouldn't need to

stop at

> all?

>

> The BIG advantage of this, it seems to me, would be vastly reduced or

> nonexistent side effects, and the virtual elimination of the

end-of-round

> blues, when you stop and blood levels of chelators drop and stirred-up

> heavy-metal ions are left in the bloodstream to resettle somewhere

else in

> the body and cause mischief.

>

> Any thoughts? Andy, if you're listening, I would love to hear your

> comments. Any harm to trying?

>

> Dean

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> DMSA can reduce neutrophil count and the maximum round length that

> Andy suggests for DMSA is 2 weeks (Amalgam Illness, p. 203).

>

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I've been doing rounds 4 days on 3 days off DMSA only -- is that ok? I

think the rule is as many days off as on -- but do you think 1 day will

matter?

When it comes to ALA is the rule more important as it could cause

retention of copper and zinc? Or would the 4 on 3 off be ok too?

[Guest guest]

--- That would suit me to a Tee! WOnder if it's possible. Hope Andy

reads your post.

In frequent-dose-chelation , " Dean " wrote:

>

> Going through the archives, it seems as though going too fast, and toxic

> side effects, are the biggest barrier to chelating effectively and

> pleasantly. I'm beginning to wonder if we couldn't go faster by going

> slower.

>

> In other words, I wonder if it would make sense to carry Andy's idea of

> small, frequent doses even a little further. For example, start

with 5 mg

> DMSA every 3 hours, and eventually add a similar dose of ALA. Yes,

it would

> be very slow, but to make up for it, you could probably do LONG rounds.

> Maybe even a month on and a week off? Or maybe you wouldn't need to

stop at

> all?

>

> The BIG advantage of this, it seems to me, would be vastly reduced or

> nonexistent side effects, and the virtual elimination of the

end-of-round

> blues, when you stop and blood levels of chelators drop and stirred-up

> heavy-metal ions are left in the bloodstream to resettle somewhere

else in

> the body and cause mischief.

>

> Any thoughts? Andy, if you're listening, I would love to hear your

> comments. Any harm to trying?

>

> Dean

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > DMSA can reduce neutrophil count and the maximum round length that

> > Andy suggests for DMSA is 2 weeks (Amalgam Illness, p. 203).

> >

> > --

> >

> >

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> I've been doing rounds 4 days on 3 days off DMSA only -- is that ok? I

> think the rule is as many days off as on -- but do you think 1 day will

> matter?

It may seem like a small thing, but you are not following Andy's

recommendations if you do 4 days on and 3 off. The rule is at least

as many days off as on. It is up to you. Doing this occasionally

won't make much difference, but if you do it all the time, you'll

be getting only 75 days off for every 100 days on.

I am not sure how much this would affect you. If you want to follow

Andy's general guidelines while maximizing your days on within a

week-long schedule, you could try 3.5 days on and 3.5 days off.

> When it comes to ALA is the rule more important as it could cause

> retention of copper and zinc? Or would the 4 on 3 off be ok too?

>

As far as I understand it, the recommendation about number of days

on/off applies just as much to ALA as it does to DMSA or DMPS. There

are some people who do longer or continuous rounds, who do not take

equal days off as on.

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