Re: Getting worse after getting better?!!!

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear all,

>

> Is it common to experience worsening of symptoms after one has

> improved massively already?

() Yes. Welcome fellow A.S. sufferer. Collin and I have begun

chatting about this disease. Have you seen our recent posts?

> would starting ALA help perhaps?

() Only if you are strictly following a Candida diet. Chelating

made AS much worse for me unless the diet was strictly followed. I

have eliminated all symptoms over the past year, but if I eat some

sugar the symptoms return just a few hours later. I have used Bee

Wilder's Candida diet on another yahoo group. (The advice on mercury

there does not jive here, just ignore it and follow the diet).

Addictions and being stubborn kept me from being perfect on the diet

until just 2 months ago. I am doing incredibly well at the moment.

Candida seems to cause nearly all of the symptoms of AS acutely, but

chelating seems to get rid of the underlying problem over time.

> Many thanks

>

> Charlie

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear all,

>

> Is it common to experience worsening of symptoms after one has

> improved massively already?

() Yes. Welcome fellow A.S. sufferer. Collin and I have begun

chatting about this disease. Have you seen our recent posts?

> would starting ALA help perhaps?

() Only if you are strictly following a Candida diet. Chelating

made AS much worse for me unless the diet was strictly followed. I

have eliminated all symptoms over the past year, but if I eat some

sugar the symptoms return just a few hours later. I have used Bee

Wilder's Candida diet on another yahoo group. (The advice on mercury

there does not jive here, just ignore it and follow the diet).

Addictions and being stubborn kept me from being perfect on the diet

until just 2 months ago. I am doing incredibly well at the moment.

Candida seems to cause nearly all of the symptoms of AS acutely, but

chelating seems to get rid of the underlying problem over time.

> Many thanks

>

> Charlie

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear all,

>

> Is it common to experience worsening of symptoms after one has

> improved massively already?

() Yes. Welcome fellow A.S. sufferer. Collin and I have begun

chatting about this disease. Have you seen our recent posts?

> would starting ALA help perhaps?

() Only if you are strictly following a Candida diet. Chelating

made AS much worse for me unless the diet was strictly followed. I

have eliminated all symptoms over the past year, but if I eat some

sugar the symptoms return just a few hours later. I have used Bee

Wilder's Candida diet on another yahoo group. (The advice on mercury

there does not jive here, just ignore it and follow the diet).

Addictions and being stubborn kept me from being perfect on the diet

until just 2 months ago. I am doing incredibly well at the moment.

Candida seems to cause nearly all of the symptoms of AS acutely, but

chelating seems to get rid of the underlying problem over time.

> Many thanks

>

> Charlie

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear all,

>

> Is it common to experience worsening of symptoms after one has

> improved massively already?

>

It is common to have a stall in progress. I think that serious

worsening of symptoms means that chelation trouble shooting is needed.

> I started chelating back in March. I have now reached round 16 of

> DMSA only. Strated at 6mg, progressed to 8 then 12.5and now have been

> on 18.75mg for 3 rounds.

>

> One of my main health issues prior to chelating was severe arthritic

> pain in my back and hips, a condition known as Ankylosing

> Spondylitis. It is strongly linked to Colitis and Crohns and as such

> flares up badly with digestive problems.

>

> My syptoms improved so well up to about round 11 or 12. My pain was

> hugely reduced and my digestion was better than it has been for

> years.

I had a worsening of pain after amalgam removal, then gradual

improvement with chelation, then worsening when I stopped chelating

after about a year. Now I am chelating again and the pain seems to be

gradually improving.

> but the last month has seen me geting worse again. the pain

> has gotten worse and i have constant dihorea.

>

Constant diarrhea is not good. I would stop chelating until that is

resolved. Have you tried the specific carbohydrate diet? See -

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

There's lots more information and recipes on the web that can be found

through google.

The SCD has totally fixed up my gut problems.

With constant diarrhea you would be losing electrolytes, so need to

replace them.

> In AI there is a graph plotting the intensity of symptoms as

> Chelation progresses. It does show that one can get worse again

> between 2 to 6 months as mercury comes out of the organs and floods

> the blood again. Is this true? And if so is it common?

Yes, it's true and common.

> Or could it be

> that i just cant tolerate the 18.75mg DMSA?

>

Were you ok with 12.5 mg and then started to worsen with 18.75 mg? If

that's the case I would go back to the dose that you were tolerating.

> would starting ALA help perhaps?

>

I would see if there are improvements that you can make to diet and

supplements first, then make sure that you can tolerate several rounds

of 12.5 mg DMSA, then add ALA at a low dose like 5 mg or so.

J

> I am a little woried that i am getting worse again for no reason.

>

> Many thanks

>

> Charlie

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear all,

>

> Is it common to experience worsening of symptoms after one has

> improved massively already?

>

It is common to have a stall in progress. I think that serious

worsening of symptoms means that chelation trouble shooting is needed.

> I started chelating back in March. I have now reached round 16 of

> DMSA only. Strated at 6mg, progressed to 8 then 12.5and now have been

> on 18.75mg for 3 rounds.

>

> One of my main health issues prior to chelating was severe arthritic

> pain in my back and hips, a condition known as Ankylosing

> Spondylitis. It is strongly linked to Colitis and Crohns and as such

> flares up badly with digestive problems.

>

> My syptoms improved so well up to about round 11 or 12. My pain was

> hugely reduced and my digestion was better than it has been for

> years.

I had a worsening of pain after amalgam removal, then gradual

improvement with chelation, then worsening when I stopped chelating

after about a year. Now I am chelating again and the pain seems to be

gradually improving.

> but the last month has seen me geting worse again. the pain

> has gotten worse and i have constant dihorea.

>

Constant diarrhea is not good. I would stop chelating until that is

resolved. Have you tried the specific carbohydrate diet? See -

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

There's lots more information and recipes on the web that can be found

through google.

The SCD has totally fixed up my gut problems.

With constant diarrhea you would be losing electrolytes, so need to

replace them.

> In AI there is a graph plotting the intensity of symptoms as

> Chelation progresses. It does show that one can get worse again

> between 2 to 6 months as mercury comes out of the organs and floods

> the blood again. Is this true? And if so is it common?

Yes, it's true and common.

> Or could it be

> that i just cant tolerate the 18.75mg DMSA?

>

Were you ok with 12.5 mg and then started to worsen with 18.75 mg? If

that's the case I would go back to the dose that you were tolerating.

> would starting ALA help perhaps?

>

I would see if there are improvements that you can make to diet and

supplements first, then make sure that you can tolerate several rounds

of 12.5 mg DMSA, then add ALA at a low dose like 5 mg or so.

J

> I am a little woried that i am getting worse again for no reason.

>

> Many thanks

>

> Charlie

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear all,

>

> Is it common to experience worsening of symptoms after one has

> improved massively already?

>

It is common to have a stall in progress. I think that serious

worsening of symptoms means that chelation trouble shooting is needed.

> I started chelating back in March. I have now reached round 16 of

> DMSA only. Strated at 6mg, progressed to 8 then 12.5and now have been

> on 18.75mg for 3 rounds.

>

> One of my main health issues prior to chelating was severe arthritic

> pain in my back and hips, a condition known as Ankylosing

> Spondylitis. It is strongly linked to Colitis and Crohns and as such

> flares up badly with digestive problems.

>

> My syptoms improved so well up to about round 11 or 12. My pain was

> hugely reduced and my digestion was better than it has been for

> years.

I had a worsening of pain after amalgam removal, then gradual

improvement with chelation, then worsening when I stopped chelating

after about a year. Now I am chelating again and the pain seems to be

gradually improving.

> but the last month has seen me geting worse again. the pain

> has gotten worse and i have constant dihorea.

>

Constant diarrhea is not good. I would stop chelating until that is

resolved. Have you tried the specific carbohydrate diet? See -

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

There's lots more information and recipes on the web that can be found

through google.

The SCD has totally fixed up my gut problems.

With constant diarrhea you would be losing electrolytes, so need to

replace them.

> In AI there is a graph plotting the intensity of symptoms as

> Chelation progresses. It does show that one can get worse again

> between 2 to 6 months as mercury comes out of the organs and floods

> the blood again. Is this true? And if so is it common?

Yes, it's true and common.

> Or could it be

> that i just cant tolerate the 18.75mg DMSA?

>

Were you ok with 12.5 mg and then started to worsen with 18.75 mg? If

that's the case I would go back to the dose that you were tolerating.

> would starting ALA help perhaps?

>

I would see if there are improvements that you can make to diet and

supplements first, then make sure that you can tolerate several rounds

of 12.5 mg DMSA, then add ALA at a low dose like 5 mg or so.

J

> I am a little woried that i am getting worse again for no reason.

>

> Many thanks

>

> Charlie

>

[Guest guest]

I'm only moderately poisoning according to Amalgam Illness. I've been chelating

since

December 2005 and have done about 60 rounds. The kids and I have been taking a

break

for a couple months.

I hit a major snag in my progress last Fall. Although I was seeing a lot of

improvement by

chelating (better moods, less anger and irritability), it's my feeling that

perimenopause was

coming on fast and contributing to overall progesterone deficiency (and

unpleasant

symptoms).

Then, in December, we had a very stressful month and that also seemed to throw a

wrench

in my health with all the emotional upset.

In short, I've come to believe hormone balance is extremely important to a sense

of well-

being and mood. If you've been doing well, and suddenly you're not, and it's

not exactly

obvious what has happened (change in diet, supplements, illness), I'd look into

thyroid,

adrenal, and sex hormone status. All by saliva testing. If you've checked them

before,

check them again, and fine tune as necessary.

I've also read that hormone balancing can be difficult if there is a stealth

infection.

Good luck,

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, I didn't read the OP before replying.

Yes, it sounds like you are in the stall or worsening of symptoms period as

illustrated in

Amalgam Illness. This is the natural progression of mercury detox.

Take lots of supportive supplements and keep chelating.

in Illinois