Guest guest Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Here is a link to some excellent magnesium info: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2010/05/19/magnesium/ > > > > what is a good dose of magnesium for someone who's test results showed low end of normal? thanks,s > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Magnesium can also raise your DHEA levels. The transdermal mg oil people say it can only be done with mg oil, bit I did it with oral mg. My DHEA was severely low, and after i optimized my mg levels with oral mg (mg taurate and Natural Calm ionized citrate) my DHEA came up to low-normal range. I have now added topical mg oil to see if it will bring it up even further. I was the poster girl for magnesium deficiency, and have had a huge turnaround in my health from optimizing my mg. Here is the list of what mg cured for me: 20 years of heart problems and arrhythmia Restless leg syndrome anxiety muscle cramping and twitching insomnia Inability to tolerate thyroid meds and supplements--- This was a BIG improvement! Calcium deposits arthritis Vitamin D intolerance warm regards, Kate > > > > > > what is a good dose of magnesium for someone who's test results showed low end of normal? thanks,s > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Thanks for that link Margery! Very helpful! I'm one of those people who thought I had great mag levels b/c my serum was always over range. I have taken 800 - 1200 mg for a long time (developed bowel tolerance over time so that's not an issue.)In fact, my doc wanted me to decrease the mag (which I didn't do.) Well my RBC mag came back at bottom of the range! I was shocked! Immediately bought the oil and will see how that goes. I plan to retest in a month. Now how to fit all these creams on my body? PG, testo, cellulite (yeah, I use that, too,LOOOLLLL), exfoliating lotion for keratosis pilaris on tops of legs! YIKES!!! Don't worry, no parabens in the cellulite and exfoliating lotion. I spend the entire day rubbing creams all over myself, hee hee. Kathleen > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Hi Kate, I've read this but all the oral mag I took (and I took good forms like glycinate and malaete) didn't raise my DHEA one iota. So I'm curious to see if the topical mag will do so. Even though my RBC mag was not the best (which is why I'm going to be starting the topical) I do experience positive effects that you mention from taking oral magnesium. I will even " stress dose " magnesium if I feel anxious, heart is poundng, etc. and is does work, so some of it is getting into my system, just not enough. Kathleen > > > Magnesium can also raise your DHEA levels. The transdermal mg oil people say it can only be done with mg oil, bit I did it with oral mg. My DHEA was severely low, and after i optimized my mg levels with oral mg (mg taurate and Natural Calm ionized citrate) my DHEA came up to low-normal range. I have now added topical mg oil to see if it will bring it up even further. > > I was the poster girl for magnesium deficiency, and have had a huge turnaround in my health from optimizing my mg. > Here is the list of what mg cured for me: > > 20 years of heart problems and arrhythmia > Restless leg syndrome > anxiety > muscle cramping and twitching > insomnia > Inability to tolerate thyroid meds and supplements--- This was a BIG improvement! > Calcium deposits > arthritis > Vitamin D intolerance > > warm regards, Kate > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Hi Kathleen: the serums vs. the RBCs often seem at odds with each other. Potassium is the same - if I remember correctly, Val discovered her potassium issue only after getting a low RBC; her potassium serums were " normal " . Here's another interesting mag link. She says " It is magnesium that controls the fate of potassium and calcium in the body " http://www.krispin.com/magnes.html I will be interested to see if your RBC mag level goes up in a month; I don't know how long the mag oil takes to have a measurable effect. I know the mag oil raised my own RBC mag, but I didn't have properly timed before-and-after tests. I hate putting creams and lotions and oils on my skin! But I do it anyway. I put as many as I can on right before I go to sleep, so I just sleep through that greasy feeling, LOL. Margery > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 It wouoldn't be so bad except it takes me FOREVER to get ready for bed as it is between facial care routine, turning down the bed (yeah, I like 100 pillows on my bed LOL), pulling down all the blackout shades, setting up the white noise machines, LOOLLL!!! I should just put all the creams on while watching tv with my hubby at night, lol. Of course, I guess I can use the mag in the AM when I do the testo gel. Do you think 1 month is long enough to wait for the RBC magnesium test? Kathleen > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Kate Could you lease explain how magnesium helped you tolerate thyroid meds? What did you feel? Why do you think magnesium made a difference? This could be helpful for those of us with stubborn thyroid resistance. Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I don't know if one month is long enough. I was on mag oil for 3 months before I tested, and although it increased, it was not a huge increase. The mag oil did work better for me than anything else, but it did work rather slowly. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I don't know if one month is long enough. I was on mag oil for 3 months before I tested, and although it increased, it was not a huge increase. The mag oil did work better for me than anything else, but it did work rather slowly. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I don't know if one month is long enough. I was on mag oil for 3 months before I tested, and although it increased, it was not a huge increase. The mag oil did work better for me than anything else, but it did work rather slowly. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Heidi, RE: Your question--Before I optimised my mg levels, I could not tolerate any change in thyroid meds, my heart and nerves would go crazy. If I needed to up my dosage, I had to up it in tiny tiny increments. The same thing with supplements---they made me feel horrible even though I desperately needed them. My D level was low, and every time I would try to up my dosage, my TSH would shoot up immediately, and I'd feel horrible. I posted this on a few thyroid forums and got a lot of responses from other people having trouble with D and rising TSH levels. Then an NP wrote in and said the number one reason she sees people intolerant of vit D is a magnesium deficiency! Around the same time the Vitamin D Council wrote how D and magnesium interact and need each other to work right. So sure enough when i got my mg levels up (which took many months), EVERYTHING calmed way down. All the symptoms I listed in previous post were cured, and I suddenly could tolerate my thyroid meds and got my Ft3 up in high normal for the first time. And my D level shot up to 71ng and TSH went down! I think a lot of this was my adrenals were so stressed from the long term mg deficiency, that they are now just continually healing from the relief. Remember my heart was skipping beats every 2 or 3 beats for a long time (they wanted to put a pacemaker in!), and insomnia, RLS, etc. So upping my thyroid meds even slightly would really cause havoc. What's interesting is as my mg levels are going up, my RT3 is going down by itself. So i am holding off on the T3-only gig to see what happens here. I think this may be because all the problems causing the RT3 are now being fixed with the magnesium and other supplements I can finally take. I am just guessing here, but my RT3 is definitely being affected positively by all this, so I'll just let my body try to sort it out for a couple more months and see if I can get away without doing the T3 only. Kate > > Kate > > Could you lease explain how magnesium helped you tolerate thyroid meds? What did you feel? Why do you think magnesium made a difference? > > This could be helpful for those of us with stubborn thyroid resistance. > > Heidi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Heidi, RE: Your question--Before I optimised my mg levels, I could not tolerate any change in thyroid meds, my heart and nerves would go crazy. If I needed to up my dosage, I had to up it in tiny tiny increments. The same thing with supplements---they made me feel horrible even though I desperately needed them. My D level was low, and every time I would try to up my dosage, my TSH would shoot up immediately, and I'd feel horrible. I posted this on a few thyroid forums and got a lot of responses from other people having trouble with D and rising TSH levels. Then an NP wrote in and said the number one reason she sees people intolerant of vit D is a magnesium deficiency! Around the same time the Vitamin D Council wrote how D and magnesium interact and need each other to work right. So sure enough when i got my mg levels up (which took many months), EVERYTHING calmed way down. All the symptoms I listed in previous post were cured, and I suddenly could tolerate my thyroid meds and got my Ft3 up in high normal for the first time. And my D level shot up to 71ng and TSH went down! I think a lot of this was my adrenals were so stressed from the long term mg deficiency, that they are now just continually healing from the relief. Remember my heart was skipping beats every 2 or 3 beats for a long time (they wanted to put a pacemaker in!), and insomnia, RLS, etc. So upping my thyroid meds even slightly would really cause havoc. What's interesting is as my mg levels are going up, my RT3 is going down by itself. So i am holding off on the T3-only gig to see what happens here. I think this may be because all the problems causing the RT3 are now being fixed with the magnesium and other supplements I can finally take. I am just guessing here, but my RT3 is definitely being affected positively by all this, so I'll just let my body try to sort it out for a couple more months and see if I can get away without doing the T3 only. Kate > > Kate > > Could you lease explain how magnesium helped you tolerate thyroid meds? What did you feel? Why do you think magnesium made a difference? > > This could be helpful for those of us with stubborn thyroid resistance. > > Heidi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Heidi, RE: Your question--Before I optimised my mg levels, I could not tolerate any change in thyroid meds, my heart and nerves would go crazy. If I needed to up my dosage, I had to up it in tiny tiny increments. The same thing with supplements---they made me feel horrible even though I desperately needed them. My D level was low, and every time I would try to up my dosage, my TSH would shoot up immediately, and I'd feel horrible. I posted this on a few thyroid forums and got a lot of responses from other people having trouble with D and rising TSH levels. Then an NP wrote in and said the number one reason she sees people intolerant of vit D is a magnesium deficiency! Around the same time the Vitamin D Council wrote how D and magnesium interact and need each other to work right. So sure enough when i got my mg levels up (which took many months), EVERYTHING calmed way down. All the symptoms I listed in previous post were cured, and I suddenly could tolerate my thyroid meds and got my Ft3 up in high normal for the first time. And my D level shot up to 71ng and TSH went down! I think a lot of this was my adrenals were so stressed from the long term mg deficiency, that they are now just continually healing from the relief. Remember my heart was skipping beats every 2 or 3 beats for a long time (they wanted to put a pacemaker in!), and insomnia, RLS, etc. So upping my thyroid meds even slightly would really cause havoc. What's interesting is as my mg levels are going up, my RT3 is going down by itself. So i am holding off on the T3-only gig to see what happens here. I think this may be because all the problems causing the RT3 are now being fixed with the magnesium and other supplements I can finally take. I am just guessing here, but my RT3 is definitely being affected positively by all this, so I'll just let my body try to sort it out for a couple more months and see if I can get away without doing the T3 only. Kate > > Kate > > Could you lease explain how magnesium helped you tolerate thyroid meds? What did you feel? Why do you think magnesium made a difference? > > This could be helpful for those of us with stubborn thyroid resistance. > > Heidi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 what kind of magnesium did you take? Subject: Re: mag. / info linkTo: RT3_T3 Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 4:32 PM Heidi,RE: Your question--Before I optimised my mg levels, I could not tolerate any change in thyroid meds, my heart and nerves would go crazy. If I needed to up my dosage, I had to up it in tiny tiny increments. The same thing with supplements---they made me feel horrible even though I desperately needed them. My D level was low, and every time I would try to up my dosage, my TSH would shoot up immediately, and I'd feel horrible. I posted this on a few thyroid forums and got a lot of responses from other people having trouble with D and rising TSH levels. Then an NP wrote in and said the number one reason she sees people intolerant of vit D is a magnesium deficiency! Around the same time the Vitamin D Council wrote how D and magnesium interact and need each other to work right. So sure enough when i got my mg levels up (which took many months), EVERYTHING calmed way down. All the symptoms I listed in previous post were cured, and I suddenly could tolerate my thyroid meds and got my Ft3 up in high normal for the first time. And my D level shot up to 71ng and TSH went down!I think a lot of this was my adrenals were so stressed from the long term mg deficiency, that they are now just continually healing from the relief. Remember my heart was skipping beats every 2 or 3 beats for a long time (they wanted to put a pacemaker in!), and insomnia, RLS, etc. So upping my thyroid meds even slightly would really cause havoc.What's interesting is as my mg levels are going up, my RT3 is going down by itself. So i am holding off on the T3-only gig to see what happens here. I think this may be because all the problems causing the RT3 are now being fixed with the magnesium and other supplements I can finally take. I am just guessing here, but my RT3 is definitely being affected positively by all this, so I'll just let my body try to sort it out for a couple more months and see if I can get away without doing the T3 only.Kate>> Kate> > Could you lease explain how magnesium helped you tolerate thyroid meds? What did you feel? Why do you think magnesium made a difference?> > This could be helpful for those of us with stubborn thyroid resistance.> > Heidi> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 what kind of magnesium did you take? Subject: Re: mag. / info linkTo: RT3_T3 Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 4:32 PM Heidi,RE: Your question--Before I optimised my mg levels, I could not tolerate any change in thyroid meds, my heart and nerves would go crazy. If I needed to up my dosage, I had to up it in tiny tiny increments. The same thing with supplements---they made me feel horrible even though I desperately needed them. My D level was low, and every time I would try to up my dosage, my TSH would shoot up immediately, and I'd feel horrible. I posted this on a few thyroid forums and got a lot of responses from other people having trouble with D and rising TSH levels. Then an NP wrote in and said the number one reason she sees people intolerant of vit D is a magnesium deficiency! Around the same time the Vitamin D Council wrote how D and magnesium interact and need each other to work right. So sure enough when i got my mg levels up (which took many months), EVERYTHING calmed way down. All the symptoms I listed in previous post were cured, and I suddenly could tolerate my thyroid meds and got my Ft3 up in high normal for the first time. And my D level shot up to 71ng and TSH went down!I think a lot of this was my adrenals were so stressed from the long term mg deficiency, that they are now just continually healing from the relief. Remember my heart was skipping beats every 2 or 3 beats for a long time (they wanted to put a pacemaker in!), and insomnia, RLS, etc. So upping my thyroid meds even slightly would really cause havoc.What's interesting is as my mg levels are going up, my RT3 is going down by itself. So i am holding off on the T3-only gig to see what happens here. I think this may be because all the problems causing the RT3 are now being fixed with the magnesium and other supplements I can finally take. I am just guessing here, but my RT3 is definitely being affected positively by all this, so I'll just let my body try to sort it out for a couple more months and see if I can get away without doing the T3 only.Kate>> Kate> > Could you lease explain how magnesium helped you tolerate thyroid meds? What did you feel? Why do you think magnesium made a difference?> > This could be helpful for those of us with stubborn thyroid resistance.> > Heidi> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 what kind of magnesium did you take? Subject: Re: mag. / info linkTo: RT3_T3 Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 4:32 PM Heidi,RE: Your question--Before I optimised my mg levels, I could not tolerate any change in thyroid meds, my heart and nerves would go crazy. If I needed to up my dosage, I had to up it in tiny tiny increments. The same thing with supplements---they made me feel horrible even though I desperately needed them. My D level was low, and every time I would try to up my dosage, my TSH would shoot up immediately, and I'd feel horrible. I posted this on a few thyroid forums and got a lot of responses from other people having trouble with D and rising TSH levels. Then an NP wrote in and said the number one reason she sees people intolerant of vit D is a magnesium deficiency! Around the same time the Vitamin D Council wrote how D and magnesium interact and need each other to work right. So sure enough when i got my mg levels up (which took many months), EVERYTHING calmed way down. All the symptoms I listed in previous post were cured, and I suddenly could tolerate my thyroid meds and got my Ft3 up in high normal for the first time. And my D level shot up to 71ng and TSH went down!I think a lot of this was my adrenals were so stressed from the long term mg deficiency, that they are now just continually healing from the relief. Remember my heart was skipping beats every 2 or 3 beats for a long time (they wanted to put a pacemaker in!), and insomnia, RLS, etc. So upping my thyroid meds even slightly would really cause havoc.What's interesting is as my mg levels are going up, my RT3 is going down by itself. So i am holding off on the T3-only gig to see what happens here. I think this may be because all the problems causing the RT3 are now being fixed with the magnesium and other supplements I can finally take. I am just guessing here, but my RT3 is definitely being affected positively by all this, so I'll just let my body try to sort it out for a couple more months and see if I can get away without doing the T3 only.Kate>> Kate> > Could you lease explain how magnesium helped you tolerate thyroid meds? What did you feel? Why do you think magnesium made a difference?> > This could be helpful for those of us with stubborn thyroid resistance.> > Heidi> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Just a comment that I take magnesium via intramuscular injection that I give myself. It does tend to sting a lot though. I suspect I don't absorb magnesium well because I have taken high amounts orally, but my doctor has also mentioned I have magnesium wasting. Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Just a comment that I take magnesium via intramuscular injection that I give myself. It does tend to sting a lot though. I suspect I don't absorb magnesium well because I have taken high amounts orally, but my doctor has also mentioned I have magnesium wasting. Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Just a comment that I take magnesium via intramuscular injection that I give myself. It does tend to sting a lot though. I suspect I don't absorb magnesium well because I have taken high amounts orally, but my doctor has also mentioned I have magnesium wasting. Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I take magnesium taurate in am (doesn't affect GI and is specifically for the heart) and I take Natural Calm at noon and before bed (ionized magnesium citrate--highly absorbable) > > > > Kate > > > > Could you lease explain how magnesium helped you tolerate thyroid meds? What did you feel? Why do you think magnesium made a difference? > > > > This could be helpful for those of us with stubborn thyroid resistance. > > > > Heidi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Sherry, Was the mg wasting confirmed via urine testing? Do you also have sodium wasting? And have you tried magnesium oil? The topical form is supposed to penetrate right to the cellular level and stabilize there after a few weeks---would be interesting to see what happens with you if you used it. Do you have mg deficiency symptoms? And if so, do you think they have contributed to your RT3--such as stressing your adrenals? > > Just a comment that I take magnesium via intramuscular injection that I give myself. It does tend to sting a lot though. I suspect I don't absorb magnesium well because I have taken high amounts orally, but my doctor has also mentioned I have magnesium wasting. > > Sherry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Forgot to add that I have now added topical magnesium oil. The oral form raised my DHEA, but just to the low-normal level (it was severely low), so I am experimenting to see if the mg oil will raise the DHEA higher which the transdermal people say it does. > > > > > > Kate > > > > > > Could you lease explain how magnesium helped you tolerate thyroid meds? What did you feel? Why do you think magnesium made a difference? > > > > > > This could be helpful for those of us with stubborn thyroid resistance. > > > > > > Heidi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Kate, This fascinating. I have gotten my iron up and was on as much as 45 mg HC and 1 tab florinef without being able to get my temps above 98-98.1 and without temps getting stable. I am wondering if magnesium is the missing piece of the puzzle, based on a very strong but temporary reaction I've had to a modified Myers cocktail (IV) which includes magnesium. When I feel good after the IV, my temps are up, I have energy and I don't feel like I need HC. Since starting the IVs (I've had 4 in a month) I have dropped florinef completely and reduced HC to 37.5 Are you or were you on HC and did the magnesium have an effect on your need for it? Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 Margery, Did you notice any change in your RT3 level as you optimized your mg.? I am particularly interested in this because as I posted above, the mg therapy lowered my RT3 by 150 pts and raised my ratio (but still not above 20). For some of us who don't have the other RT3 problems (low ferritin, D, cortisol,etc), magnesium deficiency " might?? " be a contributor to raising our RT3 and messing with T4 conversion??? It has never been brought up, so I am wondering if anyone else noticed a difference in their RT3 with mg therapy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 Margery, Did you notice any change in your RT3 level as you optimized your mg.? I am particularly interested in this because as I posted above, the mg therapy lowered my RT3 by 150 pts and raised my ratio (but still not above 20). For some of us who don't have the other RT3 problems (low ferritin, D, cortisol,etc), magnesium deficiency " might?? " be a contributor to raising our RT3 and messing with T4 conversion??? It has never been brought up, so I am wondering if anyone else noticed a difference in their RT3 with mg therapy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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