Re: Help with test results

May 21, 2010

Hi,

I'm still learning but I can already see without doing any calculations that you have an RT3 problem. This is because you have a high normal FT4 reading and a low T3

Was that a FT3 or just T3?

Here is your T3/RT3 ratio

2700/319 = 8.46

If that was a FT3 reading this ratio need to be above 20

But if is was just a T3 result then the ratio needs to be above 10

So either way you have an RT3 problem-no wonder you have hypo symptoms and feel ill!

It quite likely you will need T3 only meds

Lets see what the mods have to say about the rest of your results.........

Take care

Josie

Test results:Reverse t3 319 (90-350)Ferritin 179 (high 13-150)Thyroid Peroxidase TPO 109 (high 0-34)Antithryroglobulin AB <20 (0-40)TSH 2.010 ( 0.450-4.500)T4 Free Direct 1.32 (0.82-1.77)Triiodothyronine 2.7 (2.0-4.4)

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May 21, 2010

Hi Josie..

I believe it is an Ft3...the tests are frustrating because of the nomenclature

for me, the test was called TSH+Free T4 and the the 'triio' was a " free " test

also

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm still learning but I can already see without doing any calculations that

you have an RT3 problem. This is because you have a high normal FT4 reading and

a low T3

from the reading that i've been doing, i've been coming to the same conclusion

about using the T3 only meds (but that is only based upon the symptoms, as I am

clueless in interpreting these results)

the TPO test showed 'high' antibodies, which got me to thinking i could have

autoimmune thyroiditis, which can manifest in hashimotos if i remember correctly

thank you so much for your input, this has been an extremely frustrating 6

months...my LDL cholesterol is quite high, and that is a very dangerous

symptom...more and more i'm convinced it is due to hypothyroid condition which

obviously need to get under control

>

> Was that a FT3 or just T3?

>

> Here is your T3/RT3 ratio

>

> 2700/319 = 8.46

>

> If that was a FT3 reading this ratio need to be above 20

>

> But if is was just a T3 result then the ratio needs to be above 10

>

> So either way you have an RT3 problem-no wonder you have hypo symptoms and

feel ill!

>

> It quite likely you will need T3 only meds

>

> Lets see what the mods have to say about the rest of your results.........

>

> Take care

>

> Josie

>

> Test results:

>

> Reverse t3 319 (90-350)

>

> Ferritin 179 (high 13-150)

>

> Thyroid Peroxidase TPO 109 (high 0-34)

>

> Antithryroglobulin AB <20 (0-40)

>

> TSH 2.010 ( 0.450-4.500)

> T4 Free Direct 1.32 (0.82-1.77)

>

> Triiodothyronine 2.7 (2.0-4.4)

>

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May 21, 2010

Hi Josie..I believe it is an Ft3...the tests are frustrating because of the nomenclature for me, the test was called TSH+Free T4 and the the 'triio' was a "free" test also.From the reading that i've been doing, i've been coming to the same conclusion about using the T3 only meds (but that is only based upon the symptoms, as I am clueless in interpreting these results)the TPO test showed 'high' antibodies, which got me to thinking i could have autoimmune thyroiditis, which can manifest in hashimotos if i remember correctlythank you so much for your input, this has been an extremely frustrating 6 months...my LDL cholesterol is quite high, and that is a very dangerous symptom...more and more i'm convinced it is due to hypothyroid condition which obviously need to get under control

Yes I thought those labs looked like you might have hashi's too but I wasn't 100% sure. I know, though, that the mods will be able to confirm this for you

Well if that is definately a FT3 ratio then your ratio of 8.46 is horrible(it needs to be above 20 to feel well!) and I think that alone can make you feel terrible.

T4 is the pro hormone for RT3 and instead of T4 coverting into T3 it starts to convert into RT3. RT3 then blocks your receptor sites and so T3 can't get in.

The reason why you need to be on T3 only is because natural thyroid such as armour contains T4 and that will turn to RT3. People take T3 only to supress their body's own production of T4 so that RT4 CAN'T be made.

Well this is how I understand it anyway.

I'm still learning so the best thing to do is to re send your original message with BUMP in front of the title and we can see If we are correct in our diagnosis!

I too know how frustrating this hypo stuff is but hang in there, I have read of loads of people who got completely better on T3!

Josie

2700/319 = 8.46

Test results:> > Reverse t3 319 (90-350)> > Ferritin 179 (high 13-150)> > Thyroid Peroxidase TPO 109 (high 0-34)> > Antithryroglobulin AB <20 (0-40)> > TSH 2.010 ( 0.450-4.500)> T4 Free Direct 1.32 (0.82-1.77)> > Triiodothyronine 2.7 (2.0-4.4)> > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/> We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now>

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May 21, 2010

thanks again, josie...

i also found a link that had an autoimmune disease checklist by mary shomon and

when i did the list, almost every hashi/hypo symptom was checked

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/autoimmune-checklist.htm

indeed, i am encouraged as i have read of patients who have had tremendous

success with T3 only...

the biggest hurdle is getting a proper diagnosis and then finding a doctor who

will ACTUALLY TREAT you!

>

> Hi Josie..

>

> I believe it is an Ft3...the tests are frustrating because of the nomenclature

for me, the test was called TSH+Free T4 and the the 'triio' was a " free " test

also.

> From the reading that i've been doing, i've been coming to the same conclusion

about using the T3 only meds (but that is only based upon the symptoms, as I am

clueless in interpreting these results)

>

> the TPO test showed 'high' antibodies, which got me to thinking i could have

autoimmune thyroiditis, which can manifest in hashimotos if i remember correctly

>

> thank you so much for your input, this has been an extremely frustrating 6

months...my LDL cholesterol is quite high, and that is a very dangerous

symptom...more and more i'm convinced it is due to hypothyroid condition which

obviously need to get under control

>

> Yes I thought those labs looked like you might have hashi's too but I wasn't

100% sure. I know, though, that the mods will be able to confirm this for you

>

> Well if that is definately a FT3 ratio then your ratio of 8.46 is horrible(it

needs to be above 20 to feel well!) and I think that alone can make you feel

terrible.

>

> T4 is the pro hormone for RT3 and instead of T4 coverting into T3 it starts

to convert into RT3. RT3 then blocks your receptor sites and so T3 can't get

in.

>

> The reason why you need to be on T3 only is because natural thyroid such as

armour contains T4 and that will turn to RT3. People take T3 only to supress

their body's own production of T4 so that RT4 CAN'T be made.

>

> Well this is how I understand it anyway.

>

> I'm still learning so the best thing to do is to re send your original message

with BUMP in front of the title and we can see If we are correct in our

diagnosis!

>

> I too know how frustrating this hypo stuff is but hang in there, I have read

of loads of people who got completely better on T3!

>

> Josie

>

> 2700/319 = 8.46

>

> Test results:

> >

> > Reverse t3 319 (90-350)

> >

> > Ferritin 179 (high 13-150)

> >

> > Thyroid Peroxidase TPO 109 (high 0-34)

> >

> > Antithryroglobulin AB <20 (0-40)

> >

> > TSH 2.010 ( 0.450-4.500)

> > T4 Free Direct 1.32 (0.82-1.77)

> >

> > Triiodothyronine 2.7 (2.0-4.4)

> >

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May 21, 2010

If it helps I am self treating with 's help. You could always arrange a telephone consult with her and she can help you get started on T3.

I forgot to ask have you had your adrenals tested?

Also have a look here.... Loads of brilliant advice

http://thyroid-rt3.com/

Josie

To: RT3_T3 From: bapoe2006@...Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 17:39:29 +0000Subject: Re: Help with test results

thanks again, josie...i also found a link that had an autoimmune disease checklist by mary shomon and when i did the list, almost every hashi/hypo symptom was checkedhttp://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/autoimmune-checklist.htmindeed, i am encouraged as i have read of patients who have had tremendous success with T3 only...the biggest hurdle is getting a proper diagnosis and then finding a doctor who will ACTUALLY TREAT you!>> > > > > > > > Hi Josie..> > I believe it is an Ft3...the tests are frustrating because of the nomenclature for me, the test was called TSH+Free T4 and the the 'triio' was a "free" test also.> From the reading that i've been doing, i've been coming to the same conclusion about using the T3 only meds (but that is only based upon the symptoms, as I am clueless in interpreting these results)> > the TPO test showed 'high' antibodies, which got me to thinking i could have autoimmune thyroiditis, which can manifest in hashimotos if i remember correctly> > thank you so much for your input, this has been an extremely frustrating 6 months...my LDL cholesterol is quite high, and that is a very dangerous symptom...more and more i'm convinced it is due to hypothyroid condition which obviously need to get under control> > > > Yes I thought those labs looked like you might have hashi's too but I wasn't 100% sure. I know, though, that the mods will be able to confirm this for you> > > > Well if that is definately a FT3 ratio then your ratio of 8.46 is horrible(it needs to be above 20 to feel well!) and I think that alone can make you feel terrible.> > > > T4 is the pro hormone for RT3 and instead of T4 coverting into T3 it starts to convert into RT3. RT3 then blocks your receptor sites and so T3 can't get in.> > > > The reason why you need to be on T3 only is because natural thyroid such as armour contains T4 and that will turn to RT3. People take T3 only to supress their body's own production of T4 so that RT4 CAN'T be made.> > > > Well this is how I understand it anyway.> > > > I'm still learning so the best thing to do is to re send your original message with BUMP in front of the title and we can see If we are correct in our diagnosis! > > > > I too know how frustrating this hypo stuff is but hang in there, I have read of loads of people who got completely better on T3!> > > > Josie> > > > > > > > 2700/319 = 8.46> > > > > Test results:> > > > Reverse t3 319 (90-350)> > > > Ferritin 179 (high 13-150)> > > > Thyroid Peroxidase TPO 109 (high 0-34)> > > > Antithryroglobulin AB <20 (0-40)> > > > TSH 2.010 ( 0.450-4.500)> > T4 Free Direct 1.32 (0.82-1.77)> > > > Triiodothyronine 2.7 (2.0-4.4)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/> > We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now> >> > > > > > __________________________________________________________> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/> Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now>

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May 21, 2010

no, adrenals not tested yet...

i was scheduled to see a naturopathic doctor next week , and she was going to be

my last attempt to treat this in the medical establishment, depending on how she

interprets my symptoms and test results and what she prescribes, self treatment

would be next...i'll keep valerie in mind for that

do you have any recommendations on an adrenal test?

> >

> > Hi Josie..

> >

> > I believe it is an Ft3...the tests are frustrating because of the

nomenclature for me, the test was called TSH+Free T4 and the the 'triio' was a

" free " test also.

> > From the reading that i've been doing, i've been coming to the same

conclusion about using the T3 only meds (but that is only based upon the

symptoms, as I am clueless in interpreting these results)

> >

> > the TPO test showed 'high' antibodies, which got me to thinking i could have

autoimmune thyroiditis, which can manifest in hashimotos if i remember correctly

> >

> > thank you so much for your input, this has been an extremely frustrating 6

months...my LDL cholesterol is quite high, and that is a very dangerous

symptom...more and more i'm convinced it is due to hypothyroid condition which

obviously need to get under control

> >

> > Yes I thought those labs looked like you might have hashi's too but I wasn't

100% sure. I know, though, that the mods will be able to confirm this for you

> >

> > Well if that is definately a FT3 ratio then your ratio of 8.46 is

horrible(it needs to be above 20 to feel well!) and I think that alone can make

you feel terrible.

> >

> > T4 is the pro hormone for RT3 and instead of T4 coverting into T3 it starts

to convert into RT3. RT3 then blocks your receptor sites and so T3 can't get in.

> >

> > The reason why you need to be on T3 only is because natural thyroid such as

armour contains T4 and that will turn to RT3. People take T3 only to supress

their body's own production of T4 so that RT4 CAN'T be made.

> >

> > Well this is how I understand it anyway.

> >

> > I'm still learning so the best thing to do is to re send your original

message with BUMP in front of the title and we can see If we are correct in our

diagnosis!

> >

> > I too know how frustrating this hypo stuff is but hang in there, I have read

of loads of people who got completely better on T3!

> >

> > Josie

> >

> > 2700/319 = 8.46

> >

> > Test results:

> > >

> > > Reverse t3 319 (90-350)

> > >

> > > Ferritin 179 (high 13-150)

> > >

> > > Thyroid Peroxidase TPO 109 (high 0-34)

> > >

> > > Antithryroglobulin AB <20 (0-40)

> > >

> > > TSH 2.010 ( 0.450-4.500)

> > > T4 Free Direct 1.32 (0.82-1.77)

> > >

> > > Triiodothyronine 2.7 (2.0-4.4)

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________________

> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/

> > > We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell

us now

> > >

> >

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May 21, 2010

You want to do the saliva 4x sample. You can get it from http://www.canaryclub.org/diurnal-cortisol-4x-zrt.html

kitty

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 4:10:04 PMSubject: Re: Help with test results

no, adrenals not tested yet...i was scheduled to see a naturopathic doctor next week , and she was going to be my last attempt to treat this in the medical establishment, depending on how she interprets my symptoms and test results and what she prescribes, self treatment would be next...i'll keep valerie in mind for thatdo you have any recommendations on an adrenal test?> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Josie..> > > > I believe it is an Ft3...the tests are frustrating because of the nomenclature for me, the test was called TSH+Free T4 and the the 'triio' was a "free" test also.> > From the reading that i've been doing, i've been coming to the same conclusion about using the T3 only meds (but that is only based upon the symptoms, as I am clueless in interpreting these results)> > > > the TPO test showed 'high' antibodies, which got me to thinking i could have autoimmune thyroiditis, which can manifest in hashimotos if i remember correctly> > > > thank you so much

for your input, this has been an extremely frustrating 6 months...my LDL cholesterol is quite high, and that is a very dangerous symptom...more and more i'm convinced it is due to hypothyroid condition which obviously need to get under control> > > > > > > > Yes I thought those labs looked like you might have hashi's too but I wasn't 100% sure. I know, though, that the mods will be able to confirm this for you> > > > > > > > Well if that is definately a FT3 ratio then your ratio of 8.46 is horrible(it needs to be above 20 to feel well!) and I think that alone can make you feel terrible.> > > > > > > > T4 is the pro hormone for RT3 and instead of T4 coverting into T3 it starts to convert into RT3. RT3 then blocks your receptor sites and so T3 can't get in.> > > > > > > > The reason why you need to

be on T3 only is because natural thyroid such as armour contains T4 and that will turn to RT3. People take T3 only to supress their body's own production of T4 so that RT4 CAN'T be made.> > > > > > > > Well this is how I understand it anyway.> > > > > > > > I'm still learning so the best thing to do is to re send your original message with BUMP in front of the title and we can see If we are correct in our diagnosis! > > > > > > > > I too know how frustrating this hypo stuff is but hang in there, I have read of loads of people who got completely better on T3!> > > > > > > > Josie> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2700/319 = 8.46> > > > > > > > > > Test results:>

> > > > > Reverse t3 319 (90-350)> > > > > > Ferritin 179 (high 13-150)> > > > > > Thyroid Peroxidase TPO 109 (high 0-34)> > > > > > Antithryroglobulin AB <20 (0-40)> > > > > > TSH 2.010 ( 0.450-4.500)> > > T4 Free Direct 1.32 (0.82-1.77)> > > > > > Triiodothyronine 2.7 (2.0-4.4)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/> > > We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

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May 21, 2010

Reverse t3 319 (90-350)

Ferritin 179 (high 13-150)

Thyroid Peroxidase TPO 109 (high 0-34)

Antithryroglobulin AB <20 (0-40)

TSH 2.010 ( 0.450-4.500)

T4 Free Direct 1.32 (0.82-1.77)

Triiodothyronine 2.7 (2.0-4.4)

Josie is right on the money. The TPO being high indicates you have

Hashimoto's Thyri dDisease and the Triiodothyronine is T3 and those

ranges are also for FT3 so your ratio of FT3/RT3 is 8.46 which is lousy

and it nbeeds to be at least 20 preferably higher. Your high ferritin is

a concern. You shoudl proabbyl follow that up wiht a full iron panel to

see if it si inflammation or a real high iron issue. The thyroid you

will need to treat wiht T3 only.

May 21, 2010

THANK YOU, ...

the high ferritin level was a surprise (as i had read generally there were LOW

ferritin levels associated with hashi's hypothyroid)...

Hereditary haemochromatosis and 's disease are potential causes, but at

the same time, I started using a cast iron skillet for my cooking several times

a week, so it could be something as simple as excess iron consumption...I used

to have a glass of wine with dinner routinely (which i have eliminated) as I had

read that alcohol consumption could raise the ferritin level as well

I hope the new doctor will be a 'partner' in providing treatment, TWT on that

Thank you again for all you do on this forum

>

> Reverse t3 319 (90-350)

>

> Ferritin 179 (high 13-150)

>

> Thyroid Peroxidase TPO 109 (high 0-34)

>

> Antithryroglobulin AB <20 (0-40)

>

> TSH 2.010 ( 0.450-4.500)

> T4 Free Direct 1.32 (0.82-1.77)

>

> Triiodothyronine 2.7 (2.0-4.4)

>

> Josie is right on the money. The TPO being high indicates you have

> Hashimoto's Thyri dDisease and the Triiodothyronine is T3 and those

> ranges are also for FT3 so your ratio of FT3/RT3 is 8.46 which is lousy

> and it nbeeds to be at least 20 preferably higher. Your high ferritin is

> a concern. You shoudl proabbyl follow that up wiht a full iron panel to

> see if it si inflammation or a real high iron issue. The thyroid you

> will need to treat wiht T3 only.

>

May 21, 2010

, one more thing i forgot to ask...

what about the adrenal testing and how does that mesh with the T3 only treatment

is it something i need to do concurrent or will the T3 eliminate the need for

that?

thanks again..

>

> Reverse t3 319 (90-350)

>

> Ferritin 179 (high 13-150)

>

> Thyroid Peroxidase TPO 109 (high 0-34)

>

> Antithryroglobulin AB <20 (0-40)

>

> TSH 2.010 ( 0.450-4.500)

> T4 Free Direct 1.32 (0.82-1.77)

>

> Triiodothyronine 2.7 (2.0-4.4)

>

> Josie is right on the money. The TPO being high indicates you have

> Hashimoto's Thyri dDisease and the Triiodothyronine is T3 and those

> ranges are also for FT3 so your ratio of FT3/RT3 is 8.46 which is lousy

> and it nbeeds to be at least 20 preferably higher. Your high ferritin is

> a concern. You shoudl proabbyl follow that up wiht a full iron panel to

> see if it si inflammation or a real high iron issue. The thyroid you

> will need to treat wiht T3 only.

>

May 21, 2010

It is ALWAYS advisabole to test saliva cortils before starting T3

treatment. T3 can push the adrnelas and if they are weak, that can be a

crash. To avoid this it is preferable to knwo isf they need support and

have ti in place before you get to a dose of T3 that may stress them

more than they can handle. Thsi is one huge mistake doctors make with

ALL thyroi dmeds as NONE of them shoudl be given with weak adrenals

until the adrenals are stable.,

--

http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

May 21, 2010

thanks again, i will get the 4x saliva test ordered from canary club

>

> It is ALWAYS advisabole to test saliva cortils before starting T3

> treatment. T3 can push the adrnelas and if they are weak, that can be a

> crash. To avoid this it is preferable to knwo isf they need support and

> have ti in place before you get to a dose of T3 that may stress them

> more than they can handle. Thsi is one huge mistake doctors make with

> ALL thyroi dmeds as NONE of them shoudl be given with weak adrenals

> until the adrenals are stable.,

>

> --

>

> http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://faqhelp.webs.com/

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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May 26, 2010

I can only speak to my own journey and tell you I have hashi's and rt3 ratio of 14.8 which isn't as bad as yours is. I started on Armour, tried Naturethroid during Armour shortage and because I was allergic to it's fillers. I started off at 1 grain but found I kept having to raise higher and higher because my hypo symptoms would return. My adrenals weren't horrid so I tried Isocort and a host of other adrenal supports. My temps would bounce from 94 - 97 and hypo symptoms continued dragging me down. Of course my labs said I had normal amounts of t3/t4 but I knew that wasn't true. The doc I started off with was great but didn't understand adrenal support or need for HC and didn't understand the issue with rt3 at all even though he agreed to test me for it. I saw my primary care doc and she understood adrenals, I got a saliva test and it showed I needed some help there but wasn't keen on natural thyroid, liked synthroid but I refused and continued with Naturethroid. As time continued symptoms came back at 3 1/2 then 4 gr. and I kept at her so she agreed to retest rt3 and when the results came back she confessed she didn't understand the ratio thing and could only go by the labs that said I was in range. Val did the rt3 ratio and it was 14.8. I stablized my adrenals on HC, currently taking 30mg. and then decided to go on my own with T3 meds only, my doc said no way would she prescribe T3 alone. I knew I'd need higher doses even if she did give me a prescription so got my own. I'm in my second week, temps are stable and running about 98.6. I've got a ways to go before clearance so can't tell you anymore than what I've done. IMO if you already know you've got an rt3 issue confirmed by your doc, it's only going to be a waste of your time and money to continue taking Armour...but bless your docs heart for being willing to prescribe Armour, a lot of docs like synthroid and won't. You say your doc is open minded about cytomel, if I were you I'd just cut to the chase and go back and get on the T3 and get a saliva test for cortisol so you know what shape your adrenals are in. Ferritin, b12 and vit d test labs are important to have no matter what thyroid therapy you decide on as if your labs are off on those then it'll cause trouble with your thyroid therapy. Val and Nick know their stuff, been there and done it so they are trustworthy and have so much experience in all of this. When I first started this journey a little over a year ago I listened to what they said but basically was torn between listening to my doctors and what Val and Nick were saying...well after doing it my way I found out that the docs were both wrong and Val and Nick were both right. Best luck to ya..<<Posted by: "mdrive10" bapoe2006@... mdrive10Wed May 26, 2010 5:02 pm (PDT)BUMPING this message to VALERIE and JOSIEI just wanted to update the thread about the doctor's appt. today and her analysis of my test results..she did indeed confirm the hashimoto thyroiditis, but instead of T3 only, she wants to put me on 1 grain of Armour...I asked her about doing Cytomel and while she wasn't totally opposed to it, her response was that she had 'good results' with hashi patients using natural thyroid (like Armour)I'm a bit confused as to whether or not I should proceed with this treatment as I have read that taking T4 for individuals who are RT3 dominant can present problems...when i asked her about this, she seemed unconcerned (although she did not totally EXCLUDE using cytomel) she just seemed to believe that Armour would be the best approach...I would love to hear ''s and Josie's (and others of course) take on this...Would I be better off to forego the Armour and do the cytomel (cynomel) treatment myself Or should I defer to the doctor's 'prescription' for Armour...Any and all comments would be GREATLY appreciated...>> Kem in Eugene <º)))><

May 26, 2010

I can only speak to my own journey and tell you I have hashi's and rt3 ratio of 14.8 which isn't as bad as yours is. I started on Armour, tried Naturethroid during Armour shortage and because I was allergic to it's fillers. I started off at 1 grain but found I kept having to raise higher and higher because my hypo symptoms would return. My adrenals weren't horrid so I tried Isocort and a host of other adrenal supports. My temps would bounce from 94 - 97 and hypo symptoms continued dragging me down. Of course my labs said I had normal amounts of t3/t4 but I knew that wasn't true. The doc I started off with was great but didn't understand adrenal support or need for HC and didn't understand the issue with rt3 at all even though he agreed to test me for it. I saw my primary care doc and she understood adrenals, I got a saliva test and it showed I needed some help there but wasn't keen on natural thyroid, liked synthroid but I refused and continued with Naturethroid. As time continued symptoms came back at 3 1/2 then 4 gr. and I kept at her so she agreed to retest rt3 and when the results came back she confessed she didn't understand the ratio thing and could only go by the labs that said I was in range. Val did the rt3 ratio and it was 14.8. I stablized my adrenals on HC, currently taking 30mg. and then decided to go on my own with T3 meds only, my doc said no way would she prescribe T3 alone. I knew I'd need higher doses even if she did give me a prescription so got my own. I'm in my second week, temps are stable and running about 98.6. I've got a ways to go before clearance so can't tell you anymore than what I've done. IMO if you already know you've got an rt3 issue confirmed by your doc, it's only going to be a waste of your time and money to continue taking Armour...but bless your docs heart for being willing to prescribe Armour, a lot of docs like synthroid and won't. You say your doc is open minded about cytomel, if I were you I'd just cut to the chase and go back and get on the T3 and get a saliva test for cortisol so you know what shape your adrenals are in. Ferritin, b12 and vit d test labs are important to have no matter what thyroid therapy you decide on as if your labs are off on those then it'll cause trouble with your thyroid therapy. Val and Nick know their stuff, been there and done it so they are trustworthy and have so much experience in all of this. When I first started this journey a little over a year ago I listened to what they said but basically was torn between listening to my doctors and what Val and Nick were saying...well after doing it my way I found out that the docs were both wrong and Val and Nick were both right. Best luck to ya..<<Posted by: "mdrive10" bapoe2006@... mdrive10Wed May 26, 2010 5:02 pm (PDT)BUMPING this message to VALERIE and JOSIEI just wanted to update the thread about the doctor's appt. today and her analysis of my test results..she did indeed confirm the hashimoto thyroiditis, but instead of T3 only, she wants to put me on 1 grain of Armour...I asked her about doing Cytomel and while she wasn't totally opposed to it, her response was that she had 'good results' with hashi patients using natural thyroid (like Armour)I'm a bit confused as to whether or not I should proceed with this treatment as I have read that taking T4 for individuals who are RT3 dominant can present problems...when i asked her about this, she seemed unconcerned (although she did not totally EXCLUDE using cytomel) she just seemed to believe that Armour would be the best approach...I would love to hear ''s and Josie's (and others of course) take on this...Would I be better off to forego the Armour and do the cytomel (cynomel) treatment myself Or should I defer to the doctor's 'prescription' for Armour...Any and all comments would be GREATLY appreciated...>> Kem in Eugene <º)))><

May 27, 2010

she did indeed confirm the hashimoto thyroiditis, but instead of T3 only, she wants to put me on 1 grain of Armour...I asked her about doing Cytomel and while she wasn't totally opposed to it, her response was that she had 'good results' with hashi patients using natural thyroid (like Armour)I'm a bit confused as to whether or not I should proceed with this treatment as I have read that taking T4 for individuals who are RT3 dominant can present problems...when i asked her about this, she seemed unconcerned (although she did not totally EXCLUDE using cytomel) she just seemed to believe that Armour would be the best approach...Would I be better off to forego the Armour and do the cytomel (cynomel) treatment myself Or should I defer to the doctor's 'prescription' for Armour...

Hi,

Hope you are well.

At least your doc is willing to try something other than synthroid!! So thats good.

I know its so scary having to do things on your own without a doctor but SO many people are self treating with T3 and as long as you stay on this group you will have amazing support and care! YOU WON'T BE ALONE!

Unfortunatley I would have thought with that horrid ratio of 8.46 that you are going to need just T3

Whilst armour is great in some ways, for people with an RT3 problem unfortunately the T4 in armour just keeps making more RT3.

However just as an added thought if your RT3 is caused by low ferritin or cortisol issues you may be fine to take the armour.

At least you have a diagnosis of hashi's and things can now start getting better

Good luck

Josie Get a free e-mail account with Hotmail. Sign-up now.

May 27, 2010

she did indeed confirm the hashimoto thyroiditis, but instead of T3 only, she wants to put me on 1 grain of Armour...I asked her about doing Cytomel and while she wasn't totally opposed to it, her response was that she had 'good results' with hashi patients using natural thyroid (like Armour)I'm a bit confused as to whether or not I should proceed with this treatment as I have read that taking T4 for individuals who are RT3 dominant can present problems...when i asked her about this, she seemed unconcerned (although she did not totally EXCLUDE using cytomel) she just seemed to believe that Armour would be the best approach...Would I be better off to forego the Armour and do the cytomel (cynomel) treatment myself Or should I defer to the doctor's 'prescription' for Armour...

Hi,

Hope you are well.

At least your doc is willing to try something other than synthroid!! So thats good.

I know its so scary having to do things on your own without a doctor but SO many people are self treating with T3 and as long as you stay on this group you will have amazing support and care! YOU WON'T BE ALONE!

Unfortunatley I would have thought with that horrid ratio of 8.46 that you are going to need just T3

Whilst armour is great in some ways, for people with an RT3 problem unfortunately the T4 in armour just keeps making more RT3.

However just as an added thought if your RT3 is caused by low ferritin or cortisol issues you may be fine to take the armour.

At least you have a diagnosis of hashi's and things can now start getting better

Good luck

Josie Get a free e-mail account with Hotmail. Sign-up now.

May 27, 2010

she did indeed confirm the hashimoto thyroiditis, but instead of T3 only, she wants to put me on 1 grain of Armour...I asked her about doing Cytomel and while she wasn't totally opposed to it, her response was that she had 'good results' with hashi patients using natural thyroid (like Armour)I'm a bit confused as to whether or not I should proceed with this treatment as I have read that taking T4 for individuals who are RT3 dominant can present problems...when i asked her about this, she seemed unconcerned (although she did not totally EXCLUDE using cytomel) she just seemed to believe that Armour would be the best approach...Would I be better off to forego the Armour and do the cytomel (cynomel) treatment myself Or should I defer to the doctor's 'prescription' for Armour...

Hi,

Hope you are well.

At least your doc is willing to try something other than synthroid!! So thats good.

I know its so scary having to do things on your own without a doctor but SO many people are self treating with T3 and as long as you stay on this group you will have amazing support and care! YOU WON'T BE ALONE!

Unfortunatley I would have thought with that horrid ratio of 8.46 that you are going to need just T3

Whilst armour is great in some ways, for people with an RT3 problem unfortunately the T4 in armour just keeps making more RT3.

However just as an added thought if your RT3 is caused by low ferritin or cortisol issues you may be fine to take the armour.

At least you have a diagnosis of hashi's and things can now start getting better

Good luck

Josie Get a free e-mail account with Hotmail. Sign-up now.

May 27, 2010

thank you valerie..

i have to admit i've never been so perplexed by anything in my life...but at

least i feel i have found a correct diagnosis, (although the treatment is

questionable)

the doc (naturopath) did order the saliva test and i have the kit here and she

also wanted an iodine test, so i have that test here as well..

the complexity here for me is that while on the one hand i am grateful to at

least have found a doctor willing to treat my 'subclinical' hypothyroid

(hashimoto) i tend to agree with you and nick about the best way to go about

treating it....it becomes a very delicate balancing act of trying to get a

doctor willing to work with you, and becoming insistent on an alternative

therapy other than what she prescribes that you end up 'on your own'

i have that many here eventually end up self treating and i may become one of

that group as well...i guess the decision point for me here is to decide whether

it is even worth the trouble of doing the armour, just bypassing her and getting

the cynomel....i do want to get the test results on the saliva test first, and

the iodine..

i guess i should just wait and see what those results are before i make any

decision...

sorry for the long post....i'm obviously getting frustrated

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> When you already have too high RT3 taking more T4 in ANY form, even that

> in natural thyroid, only adds fuel to the fire. Armoru has 38mcg T4 and

> 9mcg T3 per grain (60mg) so you see how much more T4 you would be

> gettign than T3, qnd with high Rt3 already that T4 WILL convert to more

> Rt3. Now maybe if oyu correct the cause of your high RT3 (do we knwo

> what that is? ) at the same time, it MIGHT work, but you need ot know

> what the cause of your high RT3 is and it si not JUST Hashi's that

> causes this, usually it is cortil sissues or low ferritin.

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> http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://faqhelp.webs.com/

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> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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May 27, 2010