RE: adrenal cortex extract

[Guest guest]

Hi

I'm going to chip in here. I think there is a distinction between the

animal-derived cortisol containing products (such as isocort) and the

ones which support the adrenals to naturally produce cortisol

themselves, but contain very small amounts of cortisol.

I can only speak from my own experience. I've never taken or done much

research on products like Isocort. I use a combination of HC and a

brand of ACE here in the UK called Nutri Adrenal Extra.

These work as ACE are described by in his book, by

healing and stimulating the adrenals to produce their own cortisol.

This is what I notice. The HC takes about 15 minutes to have an

effect, whereas the ACE takes about an hour, and lasts for maybe 3-4

hours (difficult to tell). It works similar to taking Vit C, magnesium

and pantothenic acid, but lasts a lot longer. Also I cannot take them

after 1pm as they may cause insominia.

The ACE I use also contains B complex vitamins, magnesium and vitamin

C, and I'm using them under the guidance of Dr Peatfield. As I've

progressed in my treatment for about 7 months now, I notice the

effects of the ACE are getting more pronounced, which I think is a

good thing (I hope!!) as it shows my adrenals are healing. But it has

been difficult to combine the HC and ACE together, as they work

differently.

So it may depend on the brand, or how we define ACE. I don't won't to

step on anyones toes, but just wanted to point out that there are some

ACE products out there that don't contain significant amounts of HC,

but work on healing and stimulating the adrenals themselves.

Rod

>

> Whether it is bovine or porcine, if it is the cortex, it has

cortisol since

> ALL adrenal cortexes have cortisol.

[Guest guest]

Hi

I'm going to chip in here. I think there is a distinction between the

animal-derived cortisol containing products (such as isocort) and the

ones which support the adrenals to naturally produce cortisol

themselves, but contain very small amounts of cortisol.

I can only speak from my own experience. I've never taken or done much

research on products like Isocort. I use a combination of HC and a

brand of ACE here in the UK called Nutri Adrenal Extra.

These work as ACE are described by in his book, by

healing and stimulating the adrenals to produce their own cortisol.

This is what I notice. The HC takes about 15 minutes to have an

effect, whereas the ACE takes about an hour, and lasts for maybe 3-4

hours (difficult to tell). It works similar to taking Vit C, magnesium

and pantothenic acid, but lasts a lot longer. Also I cannot take them

after 1pm as they may cause insominia.

The ACE I use also contains B complex vitamins, magnesium and vitamin

C, and I'm using them under the guidance of Dr Peatfield. As I've

progressed in my treatment for about 7 months now, I notice the

effects of the ACE are getting more pronounced, which I think is a

good thing (I hope!!) as it shows my adrenals are healing. But it has

been difficult to combine the HC and ACE together, as they work

differently.

So it may depend on the brand, or how we define ACE. I don't won't to

step on anyones toes, but just wanted to point out that there are some

ACE products out there that don't contain significant amounts of HC,

but work on healing and stimulating the adrenals themselves.

Rod

>

> Whether it is bovine or porcine, if it is the cortex, it has

cortisol since

> ALL adrenal cortexes have cortisol.

[Guest guest]

Hi

I'm going to chip in here. I think there is a distinction between the

animal-derived cortisol containing products (such as isocort) and the

ones which support the adrenals to naturally produce cortisol

themselves, but contain very small amounts of cortisol.

I can only speak from my own experience. I've never taken or done much

research on products like Isocort. I use a combination of HC and a

brand of ACE here in the UK called Nutri Adrenal Extra.

These work as ACE are described by in his book, by

healing and stimulating the adrenals to produce their own cortisol.

This is what I notice. The HC takes about 15 minutes to have an

effect, whereas the ACE takes about an hour, and lasts for maybe 3-4

hours (difficult to tell). It works similar to taking Vit C, magnesium

and pantothenic acid, but lasts a lot longer. Also I cannot take them

after 1pm as they may cause insominia.

The ACE I use also contains B complex vitamins, magnesium and vitamin

C, and I'm using them under the guidance of Dr Peatfield. As I've

progressed in my treatment for about 7 months now, I notice the

effects of the ACE are getting more pronounced, which I think is a

good thing (I hope!!) as it shows my adrenals are healing. But it has

been difficult to combine the HC and ACE together, as they work

differently.

So it may depend on the brand, or how we define ACE. I don't won't to

step on anyones toes, but just wanted to point out that there are some

ACE products out there that don't contain significant amounts of HC,

but work on healing and stimulating the adrenals themselves.

Rod

>

> Whether it is bovine or porcine, if it is the cortex, it has

cortisol since

> ALL adrenal cortexes have cortisol.

[Guest guest]

>>I think there is a distinction between the

animal-derived cortisol containing products (such as isocort) and the

ones which support the adrenals to naturally produce cortisol

themselves, but contain very small amounts of cortisol.

I can only speak from my own experience. I've never taken or done much

research on products like Isocort. I use a combination of HC and a

brand of ACE here in the UK called Nutri Adrenal Extra.<<

But you are confusing one thing. BOTH Isocort and Nutri Adrneal Extra ARE animal

based glandulars. The Extra has aded vitamins and even other glandular tissues

in it and may be thta is why it seems ot work better. But BOTH contain cortisol,

just one is supposed ot be standardized (Isocort) and the other is not. BTW

Nutroi is Bovine sourced, and by the VERY name ACE, which means Adrenal Cortical

Extract, it is an animal sourced EXTRACT. The Extra in the name is the

synergistic vitamins.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

I called Nutricology who makes the Adrenal Organic Glandular

Extract. (This product was recommended to me from many people on the

Autism-Mercury yahoo group) She told me that there may be trace

amounts of cortisol in the product, but none added in. The product

stimulates your adrenals to produce the cortisol with natural freeze

dried animal adrenal gland extract. Therefore, I have no idea how

much cortisol is in my body. I would assume that it is helping my

body produce what it normally should. I have been taking only 1/4

capsule per day, the optimal dose is 1 capsule/day.

Laurie

>

> >>I think there is a distinction between the

> animal-derived cortisol containing products (such as isocort) and

the

> ones which support the adrenals to naturally produce cortisol

> themselves, but contain very small amounts of cortisol.

> I can only speak from my own experience. I've never taken or done

much

> research on products like Isocort. I use a combination of HC and a

> brand of ACE here in the UK called Nutri Adrenal Extra.<<

>

> But you are confusing one thing. BOTH Isocort and Nutri Adrneal

Extra ARE animal based glandulars. The Extra has aded vitamins and

even other glandular tissues in it and may be thta is why it seems

ot work better. But BOTH contain cortisol, just one is supposed ot

be standardized (Isocort) and the other is not. BTW Nutroi is

Bovine sourced, and by the VERY name ACE, which means Adrenal

Cortical Extract, it is an animal sourced EXTRACT. The Extra in the

name is the synergistic vitamins.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane

WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

>>I called Nutricology who makes the Adrenal Organic Glandular

Extract. (This product was recommended to me from many people on the

Autism-Mercury yahoo group) She told me that there may be trace

amounts of cortisol in the product, but none added in. <<

But this is my point, There is NONE added to Isocort wither, only what is IN the

adrneal cortex when it is harvested.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Nutricology is a good brand and I like that they make organic. However, she

told you there may be " trace amounts " and they don't " add any " . I suspect

she isn't really knowledgeable on how adrenal support is supposed to work

based on her response. Well, the amount would depend on how much of the

adrenal cortex they put in the product and the manufacturer would know

exactly how much in each tablet, even if it is trace amounts. That is part

of quality control and why after 4 years of using glandulars I now have an

issue with any company that doesn't know the exact amount in what they sell.

Trace to one person might mean 5 mg or 10 mg which is a lot. Since ACE

products can be 100 mg, they might consider 5 mg " trace " for example. The

other thing, is if it stimulates your adrenals to make more cortisol (as she

claims) it is doing the opposite of what we want in most cases of adrenal

fatigue. We want the adrenals to rest, not be stimulated more. Over

stimulation is what caused many of us to crash. I am stage 7. I don't have

enough natural cortisol production for my body so for me stimulating my

adrenals when they can't physically produce the cortisol only increases my

adrenal insufficiency and exasperate my symptoms.

I used glandulars for 4 years and not knowing how much cortisol I was

getting I am sure contributed to my decline. That is why I am cautioning

others. They seemed to work some for the first year (probably because I was

so cortisol deprived that ANY cortisol helped to a degree), then I saw first

steady then dramatic decline.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

I called Nutricology who makes the Adrenal Organic Glandular

Extract. (This product was recommended to me from many people on the

Autism-Mercury yahoo group) She told me that there may be trace

amounts of cortisol in the product, but none added in. The product

stimulates your adrenals to produce the cortisol with natural freeze

dried animal adrenal gland extract. Therefore, I have no idea how

much cortisol is in my body. I would assume that it is helping my

body produce what it normally should. I have been taking only 1/4

capsule per day, the optimal dose is 1 capsule/day.

Laurie

.

[Guest guest]

Hi all

I would like to say that glandulars are different than extracts. they are only

tissue. it is like eating kidneys.When you eat kidneys how much hormones will be

present in them? that will be the amount you are taking when using glandulars.

All they do is helping tissue regeneration.They do not contain hormone.Sometimes

we are allergic to trace amounts. For example I am allergic to trace amounts of

adrenaline contained in whole glandulars but cortex glandular will not have it

anyway. I really don't think glandulars will contain much cortex hormones.This

is not what they are produced for.Think of them as eating adrenal glands.If you

don't wish to use glandulars you may eat kidneys. That will also help for

adrenal tissue regeneration.

bw.

Nil

RE: adrenal cortex extract

Nutricology is a good brand and I like that they make organic. However, she

told you there may be " trace amounts " and they don't " add any " . I suspect

she isn't really knowledgeable on how adrenal support is supposed to work

[Guest guest]

Also

isocort is not glandular. It is adrenal cortex extract.

http://www.thewayup.com/products/0241.cfm

best wishes.

Nil

RE: adrenal cortex extract

Nutricology is a good brand and I like that they make organic. However, she

told you there may be " trace amounts " and they don't " add any " . I suspect

she isn't really knowledgeable on how adrenal support is supposed to work

[Guest guest]

Also

isocort is not glandular. It is adrenal cortex extract.

http://www.thewayup.com/products/0241.cfm

best wishes.

Nil

RE: adrenal cortex extract

Nutricology is a good brand and I like that they make organic. However, she

told you there may be " trace amounts " and they don't " add any " . I suspect

she isn't really knowledgeable on how adrenal support is supposed to work

[Guest guest]

Also

isocort is not glandular. It is adrenal cortex extract.

http://www.thewayup.com/products/0241.cfm

best wishes.

Nil

RE: adrenal cortex extract

Nutricology is a good brand and I like that they make organic. However, she

told you there may be " trace amounts " and they don't " add any " . I suspect

she isn't really knowledgeable on how adrenal support is supposed to work

[Guest guest]

Hi

That's interesting what you said Cheri about stimulating. My knowledge

is that it gently stimulates by provides all the right nutrients and

minerals to get the glands going and also speeds up the repair process

as well ie coaxing it as opposed to flogging it like a race horse.

Many people I know on a UK thyroid group used these Nutri Adrenal

Extracts as support for when they take their Armour. They don't have

the same adrenal problems as us, but find they need this extra support

to keep them level, and it does seem to work for many of them. It's a

shame that they didn't work for you - I've had trouble combining both

the HC and NAE into a schedule where I can adequately support my

adrenals, but I think I've managed it now. Also I've read from people

whose adrenal problems are so bad that the extracts just aren't good

enough, and they've been recommended to use HC. I know myself I wasn't

getting better just on the extracts, which is why I went on the HC.

I take the point about there being no actual definition of what trace

means for these products, I was interpreting it as negligible. I have

posted some inquiries elsewhere to see if anyone else knows more about

this.

One thing I guess we can take from this is that people are different

and will respond to the products in different ways, depending on their

level of adrenal problem and their own body. Some people I know just

can't tolerate the extracts. For me it's been a few months of trial

and error to get the right combination, but I feel they work for me

and I actually do feel comfortable knowing that I that my adrenals are

chugging away in combination with the HC. I believe that Dr P will

want me to keep taking them, even when I ween off the HC (hopefully

!!) to give my glands that bit of extra support in the tough old world

out there.

Rod

>

> Nutricology is a good brand and I like that they make organic.

However, she

> told you there may be " trace amounts " and they don't " add any " . I

suspect

> she isn't really knowledgeable on how adrenal support is supposed to

work

> based on her response. Well, the amount would depend on how much of the

> adrenal cortex they put in the product and the manufacturer would know

> exactly how much in each tablet, even if it is trace amounts. That

is part

> of quality control and why after 4 years of using glandulars I now

have an

> issue with any company that doesn't know the exact amount in what

they sell.

> Trace to one person might mean 5 mg or 10 mg which is a lot. Since ACE

> products can be 100 mg, they might consider 5 mg " trace " for

example. The

> other thing, is if it stimulates your adrenals to make more cortisol

(as she

> claims) it is doing the opposite of what we want in most cases of

adrenal

> fatigue. We want the adrenals to rest, not be stimulated more. Over

> stimulation is what caused many of us to crash. I am stage 7. I

don't have

> enough natural cortisol production for my body so for me stimulating my

> adrenals when they can't physically produce the cortisol only

increases my

> adrenal insufficiency and exasperate my symptoms.

>

> I used glandulars for 4 years and not knowing how much cortisol I was

> getting I am sure contributed to my decline. That is why I am cautioning

> others. They seemed to work some for the first year (probably

because I was

> so cortisol deprived that ANY cortisol helped to a degree), then I

saw first

> steady then dramatic decline.

>

> Cheri

> -----Original Message-----

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

That's interesting what you said Cheri about stimulating. My knowledge

is that it gently stimulates by provides all the right nutrients and

minerals to get the glands going and also speeds up the repair process

as well ie coaxing it as opposed to flogging it like a race horse.

Many people I know on a UK thyroid group used these Nutri Adrenal

Extracts as support for when they take their Armour. They don't have

the same adrenal problems as us, but find they need this extra support

to keep them level, and it does seem to work for many of them. It's a

shame that they didn't work for you - I've had trouble combining both

the HC and NAE into a schedule where I can adequately support my

adrenals, but I think I've managed it now. Also I've read from people

whose adrenal problems are so bad that the extracts just aren't good

enough, and they've been recommended to use HC. I know myself I wasn't

getting better just on the extracts, which is why I went on the HC.

I take the point about there being no actual definition of what trace

means for these products, I was interpreting it as negligible. I have

posted some inquiries elsewhere to see if anyone else knows more about

this.

One thing I guess we can take from this is that people are different

and will respond to the products in different ways, depending on their

level of adrenal problem and their own body. Some people I know just

can't tolerate the extracts. For me it's been a few months of trial

and error to get the right combination, but I feel they work for me

and I actually do feel comfortable knowing that I that my adrenals are

chugging away in combination with the HC. I believe that Dr P will

want me to keep taking them, even when I ween off the HC (hopefully

!!) to give my glands that bit of extra support in the tough old world

out there.

Rod

>

> Nutricology is a good brand and I like that they make organic.

However, she

> told you there may be " trace amounts " and they don't " add any " . I

suspect

> she isn't really knowledgeable on how adrenal support is supposed to

work

> based on her response. Well, the amount would depend on how much of the

> adrenal cortex they put in the product and the manufacturer would know

> exactly how much in each tablet, even if it is trace amounts. That

is part

> of quality control and why after 4 years of using glandulars I now

have an

> issue with any company that doesn't know the exact amount in what

they sell.

> Trace to one person might mean 5 mg or 10 mg which is a lot. Since ACE

> products can be 100 mg, they might consider 5 mg " trace " for

example. The

> other thing, is if it stimulates your adrenals to make more cortisol

(as she

> claims) it is doing the opposite of what we want in most cases of

adrenal

> fatigue. We want the adrenals to rest, not be stimulated more. Over

> stimulation is what caused many of us to crash. I am stage 7. I

don't have

> enough natural cortisol production for my body so for me stimulating my

> adrenals when they can't physically produce the cortisol only

increases my

> adrenal insufficiency and exasperate my symptoms.

>

> I used glandulars for 4 years and not knowing how much cortisol I was

> getting I am sure contributed to my decline. That is why I am cautioning

> others. They seemed to work some for the first year (probably

because I was

> so cortisol deprived that ANY cortisol helped to a degree), then I

saw first

> steady then dramatic decline.

>

> Cheri

> -----Original Message-----

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had a rather weird experience with this product called Adren-All

tablets. I only took 1/2 the recommended dose too, for about a month

when it started . IM assuimg just enough time to get into my system.

I would get these terribal rushes in the afternoon time, and have an

ultimate LOW time in the afternoon, my heart would race sometimes,

and sometimes I would just be so weak Id lay there for an hour or

two. FOr no reason too, not like I was out running miles when I found

out cortisol being low was my problem.

I think they may work for some, but not all.

I would like to try a different brand someday if my vitamin regiman

doesnt do wonders along with the switch to adding armour.

The stuff I was on also contained licorice root, among other things,

so thats where its not so good.

When taking things, they should always be introduced to the body ONE

BY ONE, that way if you feel " weird'', you know what caused it.

Even with individual vitamins, when I was told to take Vit D, C, B12

loz, Mag, Iodine, etc. I went home and started a plan. Monday I'd

take the Vit D, then Tuesday Id take the Vit C, then Wed the b12,each

alone for a day, etc. The next week, I'd do it again, except put them

all together slowly. Like, Monday take Vit D, Tuesday take Vit D with

Vit C, Wed Take Vit D, C, and B12 and so on.

For someone whos never taken anything like this or been rounds with

docs and meds, it can be scary, and its good to know your bodys

reponse to new things.

Keep that in mind when buying products that contain multiple things.

[Guest guest]

Rod,

No stepping on toes, lol. All input is welcomed.

Let me explain this further so it might be clearer. There is only one

definition of ACE. It means " Adrenal cortical extract " or " adrenal cortex

extract " and the ACE Dr. refers to in his book are animal derived.

They are all animal derived, since it has to come from something that has an

adrenal cortex...animals. The main ingredient is cortisol, more specifically

hydrocortisone. However, I haven't seen many publish exactly how much they

contain or else they do publish and patients do not pay attention. That is a

bad way to treat, since you want to control how much you are getting in a

rhythm that mimics the natural adrenal function and focus on times when most

deficient. The reason they all contain cortisol is they all come from the

" adrenal cortex " where the bulk of cortisol is produced in an animal's

adrenals. That is also why they help people. Things like herbs and vitamins

are support but not the same thing as ACE. They may add it in some formulas,

but it isn't ACE.

I suspect as you are getting better, you need less cortisol. Your HC is

likely helping you the most and it is the one you can control your dosage

the most, since you likely don't know how much is in your adrenal formula. I

think ACE can work well. My only concern with any adrenal glandulars or ACE

is that many don't give you the exact amount of cortisol and if doctors

suggest them, they don't follow that rhythm either or caution about getting

too much cortisol.

This one I found DOES tell you...100

mcg...http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/A.C.E.htm and the source of the

animal. " Adrenal cortex extract exhibits a biological activity equivalent

to that of 100 micrograms of hydrocortisone, and it contains a suitable

antibacterial agent. " That is a very low dose, only .1 mg of hydrocortisone.

I have seen others that are way too high. When too high, I could see a

person taking that initially improve, then shut down their adrenals because

the dosage is too high and they took it too long without following a good

rhythm. If too low, the product is a waste of money and not really doing

much to help patients.

You might try contacting the company that makes your brand and asking if

they can give you how much cortisol is in each dose and what animal they get

it from. I found this Nutri Adrenal Extra supplement.

http://www.yournutritionshop.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=657 Is that the formula

you take? If so, that is not ACE. ACE is a liquid extract. That product is

an adrenal glandular in pill form. This one, however, supports what I have

been saying: " Contains tissue concentrates of adrenal, pituitary and parotid

gland from bovine sources " . So, you know it is coming from cows but it

doesn't say how much you are getting of DHEA, cortisol, etc. and it is

logical it contains some since they list " adrenal " as part of the tissues

used. It is a likely assumption that the adrenal cortex (and therefore

cortisol) is part of that 221 mg (or 442 mg for 2 pills) because the outer

layer of the adrenals contain the most cortisol and even the inner layers

contain a very small amount. So that brings me back to the original position

that the reason HC works better is you know exactly how much cortisol you

are getting and can have full control. Glandulars do not give that to you.

ACE products can (as in the case above) but you they are a very expensive

option to get at the dosages most of us need.

If you are seeing Peatfield, I imagine the HC he has you on is giving you

the most progress.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

Hi

I'm going to chip in here. I think there is a distinction between the

animal-derived cortisol containing products (such as isocort) and the

ones which support the adrenals to naturally produce cortisol

themselves, but contain very small amounts of cortisol.

The ACE I use also contains B complex vitamins, magnesium and vitamin

C, and I'm using them under the guidance of Dr Peatfield. As I've

progressed in my treatment for about 7 months now, I notice the

effects of the ACE are getting more pronounced, which I think is a

good thing (I hope!!) as it shows my adrenals are healing. But it has

been difficult to combine the HC and ACE together, as they work

differently.

So it may depend on the brand, or how we define ACE. I don't won't to

step on anyones toes, but just wanted to point out that there are some

ACE products out there that don't contain significant amounts of HC,

but work on healing and stimulating the adrenals themselves.

Rod

.

[Guest guest]

Rod,

No stepping on toes, lol. All input is welcomed.

Let me explain this further so it might be clearer. There is only one

definition of ACE. It means " Adrenal cortical extract " or " adrenal cortex

extract " and the ACE Dr. refers to in his book are animal derived.

They are all animal derived, since it has to come from something that has an

adrenal cortex...animals. The main ingredient is cortisol, more specifically

hydrocortisone. However, I haven't seen many publish exactly how much they

contain or else they do publish and patients do not pay attention. That is a

bad way to treat, since you want to control how much you are getting in a

rhythm that mimics the natural adrenal function and focus on times when most

deficient. The reason they all contain cortisol is they all come from the

" adrenal cortex " where the bulk of cortisol is produced in an animal's

adrenals. That is also why they help people. Things like herbs and vitamins

are support but not the same thing as ACE. They may add it in some formulas,

but it isn't ACE.

I suspect as you are getting better, you need less cortisol. Your HC is

likely helping you the most and it is the one you can control your dosage

the most, since you likely don't know how much is in your adrenal formula. I

think ACE can work well. My only concern with any adrenal glandulars or ACE

is that many don't give you the exact amount of cortisol and if doctors

suggest them, they don't follow that rhythm either or caution about getting

too much cortisol.

This one I found DOES tell you...100

mcg...http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/A.C.E.htm and the source of the

animal. " Adrenal cortex extract exhibits a biological activity equivalent

to that of 100 micrograms of hydrocortisone, and it contains a suitable

antibacterial agent. " That is a very low dose, only .1 mg of hydrocortisone.

I have seen others that are way too high. When too high, I could see a

person taking that initially improve, then shut down their adrenals because

the dosage is too high and they took it too long without following a good

rhythm. If too low, the product is a waste of money and not really doing

much to help patients.

You might try contacting the company that makes your brand and asking if

they can give you how much cortisol is in each dose and what animal they get

it from. I found this Nutri Adrenal Extra supplement.

http://www.yournutritionshop.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=657 Is that the formula

you take? If so, that is not ACE. ACE is a liquid extract. That product is

an adrenal glandular in pill form. This one, however, supports what I have

been saying: " Contains tissue concentrates of adrenal, pituitary and parotid

gland from bovine sources " . So, you know it is coming from cows but it

doesn't say how much you are getting of DHEA, cortisol, etc. and it is

logical it contains some since they list " adrenal " as part of the tissues

used. It is a likely assumption that the adrenal cortex (and therefore

cortisol) is part of that 221 mg (or 442 mg for 2 pills) because the outer

layer of the adrenals contain the most cortisol and even the inner layers

contain a very small amount. So that brings me back to the original position

that the reason HC works better is you know exactly how much cortisol you

are getting and can have full control. Glandulars do not give that to you.

ACE products can (as in the case above) but you they are a very expensive

option to get at the dosages most of us need.

If you are seeing Peatfield, I imagine the HC he has you on is giving you

the most progress.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

Hi

I'm going to chip in here. I think there is a distinction between the

animal-derived cortisol containing products (such as isocort) and the

ones which support the adrenals to naturally produce cortisol

themselves, but contain very small amounts of cortisol.

The ACE I use also contains B complex vitamins, magnesium and vitamin

C, and I'm using them under the guidance of Dr Peatfield. As I've

progressed in my treatment for about 7 months now, I notice the

effects of the ACE are getting more pronounced, which I think is a

good thing (I hope!!) as it shows my adrenals are healing. But it has

been difficult to combine the HC and ACE together, as they work

differently.

So it may depend on the brand, or how we define ACE. I don't won't to

step on anyones toes, but just wanted to point out that there are some

ACE products out there that don't contain significant amounts of HC,

but work on healing and stimulating the adrenals themselves.

Rod

.

[Guest guest]

Rod,

No stepping on toes, lol. All input is welcomed.

Let me explain this further so it might be clearer. There is only one

definition of ACE. It means " Adrenal cortical extract " or " adrenal cortex

extract " and the ACE Dr. refers to in his book are animal derived.

They are all animal derived, since it has to come from something that has an

adrenal cortex...animals. The main ingredient is cortisol, more specifically

hydrocortisone. However, I haven't seen many publish exactly how much they

contain or else they do publish and patients do not pay attention. That is a

bad way to treat, since you want to control how much you are getting in a

rhythm that mimics the natural adrenal function and focus on times when most

deficient. The reason they all contain cortisol is they all come from the

" adrenal cortex " where the bulk of cortisol is produced in an animal's

adrenals. That is also why they help people. Things like herbs and vitamins

are support but not the same thing as ACE. They may add it in some formulas,

but it isn't ACE.

I suspect as you are getting better, you need less cortisol. Your HC is

likely helping you the most and it is the one you can control your dosage

the most, since you likely don't know how much is in your adrenal formula. I

think ACE can work well. My only concern with any adrenal glandulars or ACE

is that many don't give you the exact amount of cortisol and if doctors

suggest them, they don't follow that rhythm either or caution about getting

too much cortisol.

This one I found DOES tell you...100

mcg...http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/A.C.E.htm and the source of the

animal. " Adrenal cortex extract exhibits a biological activity equivalent

to that of 100 micrograms of hydrocortisone, and it contains a suitable

antibacterial agent. " That is a very low dose, only .1 mg of hydrocortisone.

I have seen others that are way too high. When too high, I could see a

person taking that initially improve, then shut down their adrenals because

the dosage is too high and they took it too long without following a good

rhythm. If too low, the product is a waste of money and not really doing

much to help patients.

You might try contacting the company that makes your brand and asking if

they can give you how much cortisol is in each dose and what animal they get

it from. I found this Nutri Adrenal Extra supplement.

http://www.yournutritionshop.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=657 Is that the formula

you take? If so, that is not ACE. ACE is a liquid extract. That product is

an adrenal glandular in pill form. This one, however, supports what I have

been saying: " Contains tissue concentrates of adrenal, pituitary and parotid

gland from bovine sources " . So, you know it is coming from cows but it

doesn't say how much you are getting of DHEA, cortisol, etc. and it is

logical it contains some since they list " adrenal " as part of the tissues

used. It is a likely assumption that the adrenal cortex (and therefore

cortisol) is part of that 221 mg (or 442 mg for 2 pills) because the outer

layer of the adrenals contain the most cortisol and even the inner layers

contain a very small amount. So that brings me back to the original position

that the reason HC works better is you know exactly how much cortisol you

are getting and can have full control. Glandulars do not give that to you.

ACE products can (as in the case above) but you they are a very expensive

option to get at the dosages most of us need.

If you are seeing Peatfield, I imagine the HC he has you on is giving you

the most progress.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

Hi

I'm going to chip in here. I think there is a distinction between the

animal-derived cortisol containing products (such as isocort) and the

ones which support the adrenals to naturally produce cortisol

themselves, but contain very small amounts of cortisol.

The ACE I use also contains B complex vitamins, magnesium and vitamin

C, and I'm using them under the guidance of Dr Peatfield. As I've

progressed in my treatment for about 7 months now, I notice the

effects of the ACE are getting more pronounced, which I think is a

good thing (I hope!!) as it shows my adrenals are healing. But it has

been difficult to combine the HC and ACE together, as they work

differently.

So it may depend on the brand, or how we define ACE. I don't won't to

step on anyones toes, but just wanted to point out that there are some

ACE products out there that don't contain significant amounts of HC,

but work on healing and stimulating the adrenals themselves.

Rod

.

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheri,

That's made things clearer for me in terms of terminology. Sorry if I

confused people. I am taking a glandular, not an ACE - ooops. Glad I'm

not a politician, could have started a war with mistakes like that ;-)

Rod

>

> Rod,

>

> No stepping on toes, lol. All input is welcomed.

>

> Let me explain this further so it might be clearer. There is only one

> definition of ACE. It means " Adrenal cortical extract " or " adrenal

cortex

> extract " and the ACE Dr. refers to in his book are animal

derived.

> They are all animal derived, since it has to come from something

that has an

> adrenal cortex...animals. The main ingredient is cortisol, more

specifically

> hydrocortisone. However, I haven't seen many publish exactly how

much they

> contain or else they do publish and patients do not pay attention.

That is a

> bad way to treat, since you want to control how much you are getting

in a

> rhythm that mimics the natural adrenal function and focus on times

when most

> deficient. The reason they all contain cortisol is they all come

from the

> " adrenal cortex " where the bulk of cortisol is produced in an animal's

> adrenals. That is also why they help people. Things like herbs and

vitamins

> are support but not the same thing as ACE. They may add it in some

formulas,

> but it isn't ACE.

>

> I suspect as you are getting better, you need less cortisol. Your HC is

> likely helping you the most and it is the one you can control your

dosage

> the most, since you likely don't know how much is in your adrenal

formula. I

> think ACE can work well. My only concern with any adrenal glandulars

or ACE

> is that many don't give you the exact amount of cortisol and if doctors

> suggest them, they don't follow that rhythm either or caution about

getting

> too much cortisol.

>

> This one I found DOES tell you...100

> mcg...http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/A.C.E.htm and the source

of the

> animal. " Adrenal cortex extract exhibits a biological activity

equivalent

> to that of 100 micrograms of hydrocortisone, and it contains a suitable

> antibacterial agent. " That is a very low dose, only .1 mg of

hydrocortisone.

> I have seen others that are way too high. When too high, I could see a

> person taking that initially improve, then shut down their adrenals

because

> the dosage is too high and they took it too long without following a

good

> rhythm. If too low, the product is a waste of money and not really doing

> much to help patients.

>

> You might try contacting the company that makes your brand and asking if

> they can give you how much cortisol is in each dose and what animal

they get

> it from. I found this Nutri Adrenal Extra supplement.

> http://www.yournutritionshop.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=657 Is that the

formula

> you take? If so, that is not ACE. ACE is a liquid extract. That

product is

> an adrenal glandular in pill form. This one, however, supports what

I have

> been saying: " Contains tissue concentrates of adrenal, pituitary and

parotid

> gland from bovine sources " . So, you know it is coming from cows but it

> doesn't say how much you are getting of DHEA, cortisol, etc. and it is

> logical it contains some since they list " adrenal " as part of the

tissues

> used. It is a likely assumption that the adrenal cortex (and therefore

> cortisol) is part of that 221 mg (or 442 mg for 2 pills) because the

outer

> layer of the adrenals contain the most cortisol and even the inner

layers

> contain a very small amount. So that brings me back to the original

position

> that the reason HC works better is you know exactly how much

cortisol you

> are getting and can have full control. Glandulars do not give that

to you.

> ACE products can (as in the case above) but you they are a very

expensive

> option to get at the dosages most of us need.

>

> If you are seeing Peatfield, I imagine the HC he has you on is

giving you

> the most progress.

>

> Cheri

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

>

[Guest guest]

Forgot to add, glandulars work for people precisely because they do contain

the needed hormones in the organs. We just don't know how much they contain

unless they are standardized like Armour or Isocort are.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

Hi all

I would like to say that glandulars are different than extracts. they are

only tissue. it is like eating kidneys.When you eat kidneys how much

hormones will be present in them? that will be the amount you are taking

when using glandulars. All they do is helping tissue regeneration.They do

not contain hormone.Sometimes we are allergic to trace amounts. For example

I am allergic to trace amounts of adrenaline contained in whole glandulars

but cortex glandular will not have it anyway. I really don't think

glandulars will contain much cortex hormones.This is not what they are

produced for.Think of them as eating adrenal glands.If you don't wish to use

glandulars you may eat kidneys. That will also help for adrenal tissue

regeneration.

bw.

Nil

.

[Guest guest]

Nil, you are right that they are different but glandulars DO contain

hormones too. Dr. 's formula that I was on definitely provided some

cortisol as well as thyroid hormones, just like Armour is pig thyroid (that

is what 's does). So, yes, even using glandulars you get hormones but

depending on the animal, dosage and process plus lack of labeling...a person

has no idea what. Isocort is a glandular and you get hormone from that

too...cortisol.

Cheri

Re: adrenal cortex extract

Hi all

I would like to say that glandulars are different than extracts. they are

only tissue. it is like eating kidneys.When you eat kidneys how much

hormones will be present in them? that will be the amount you are taking

when using glandulars. All they do is helping tissue regeneration.They do

not contain hormone.Sometimes we are allergic to trace amounts. For example

I am allergic to trace amounts of adrenaline contained in whole glandulars

but cortex glandular will not have it anyway. I really don't think

glandulars will contain much cortex hormones.This is not what they are

produced for.Think of them as eating adrenal glands.If you don't wish to use

glandulars you may eat kidneys. That will also help for adrenal tissue

regeneration.

bw.

Nil

.

[Guest guest]

Well, generally extracts are liquid and glandulars are pill form of organs.

But yes, Isocort is defined as an extract. They have used only the cortex

and appear to not contain the other parts of the adrenal gland.

Cheri

Re: adrenal cortex extract

Also

isocort is not glandular. It is adrenal cortex extract.

http://www.thewayup.com/products/0241.cfm

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[Guest guest]

I think they can work as long as you know exactly how much of the key things

you are getting. Most don't tell you. At least not the glandulars. The ACE

products seem to be better about telling you.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

I had a rather weird experience with this product called Adren-All

Keep that in mind when buying products that contain multiple things.

.

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheri

I really don't think glandulars contain hormones. Manufacturing ways are

different for these two. As I said at my previous note they take adrenal

tissue(either only cortex or as whole adrenal) and produce glandulars. Extracts

have different manufacturing process. As you might have noticed,it is said

`freeze-dried adrenal cortex` on isocort label.And other extracts are kept in

some alcohol solution and they are in liquid form.I do not know dr. wilson's

product. It may or may not contain hormones. It could be that he had them added

but I am sure he must have stated its contents somewhere.There may be some

products which contain hormones and glandulars together but this must be

explained on product decription. I am talking for the products which are called

as `glandulars`.

bw

Nil

RE: adrenal cortex extract

Forgot to add, glandulars work for people precisely because they do contain

the needed hormones in the organs. We just don't know how much they contain

unless they are standardized like Armour or Isocort are.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

Hi all

I would like to say that glandulars are different than extracts. they are

only tissue. it is like eating kidneys.When you eat kidneys how much

hormones will be present in them? that will be the amount you are taking

when using glandulars. All they do is helping tissue regeneration.They do

not contain hormone.Sometimes we are allergic to trace amounts. For example

I am allergic to trace amounts of adrenaline contained in whole glandulars

but cortex glandular will not have it anyway. I really don't think

glandulars will contain much cortex hormones.This is not what they are

produced for.Think of them as eating adrenal glands.If you don't wish to use

glandulars you may eat kidneys. That will also help for adrenal tissue

regeneration.

bw.

Nil

.

[Guest guest]

Nil,

Extracts contain specific things they extract our of the organ, like cortex

from adrenals. However, glandulars contain that and the rest of the gland.

So if can see how hormones are in extracts, you can deduce they are in

glandulars too since that part of the extract is in the glandular.

I know Dr. 's does because we discussed it when I talked to him and he

agreed that glandulars in general contain hormones. They don't label it

separately though because you get into the legal aspects of selling it as a

supplement versus a drug...the later is FDA regulated. For example, I

imagine if Dr. listed how much T3 and T4 were in his formula (if he

even knows and it is standardized) that he would have to have it be a

prescription only med like Armour is in the US.

I am curious why you think if it contains the organ that it won't contain

the hormone? Do you think they somehow strip it out?

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

Hi Cheri

I really don't think glandulars contain hormones. Manufacturing ways are

different for these two. As I said at my previous note they take adrenal

tissue(either only cortex or as whole adrenal) and produce glandulars.

Extracts have different manufacturing process. As you might have noticed,it

is said `freeze-dried adrenal cortex` on isocort label.And other extracts

are kept in some alcohol solution and they are in liquid form.I do not know

dr. wilson's product. It may or may not contain hormones. It could be that

he had them added but I am sure he must have stated its contents

somewhere.There may be some products which contain hormones and glandulars

together but this must be explained on product decription. I am talking for

the products which are called as `glandulars`.

bw

Nil

.

[Guest guest]

The vegetarian bit is the capsule itself, which contains the animal derived bit.

They are not saying that the product itself is vegetarian.

Val

Posted by: " Laurie Kowalski " jlkowalski2@... lyndhurstmom3

Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:00 pm (PST)

OK---now I am totally confused! This is the link to the product

that I am using:

www.nutricology.com/Adrenal-Organic-Glandular-75-Vegetarian-Caps-p-

16417.html