Re: Low heart rate and palpitations, but TSH is normal - why?

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Your pulse rate is so low that it's dangerous. NOone should ever carry a

pulse rate this low, so what has this doctor said about this, and what is

he/she going to do? That is a very HYPO pulse rate. Yes, a pulse rate that

low can CAUSE palpitations, as the heart is trying to bring blood through,

but can't, so it starts working harder, on and off. With both Grave's and

Hashi's, you will have a lot of conflicting things, but I have a

question----What did the last doctor test to determine that you even had

Grave's? Did he do antibodies testing that was specific for it? TSI and

TrAb? There is another one, but I can't recall it right now, but those are

very specific for Grave's. Or did he just assume it was Grave's instead of

first phase Hashi's?

Low heart rate and palpitations, but

TSH is " normal " - why?

> Hi, I'm a 49 YO male, diagnosed with Graves' Disease in 1997. I had

> the radioiodine treatment and went on generic Levothyroxine in 2000.

> Occasionally in the last two years I have felt hyper, and went to my

> HMO care provider. They weren't concerned, so this summer I adjusted

> my dose down to where I felt okay, then went to a naturopath who

> suspected presence of Hashimoto's antibodies. This was 3 weeks ago,

> and I tested positive for Hashimoto's but everything else, TSH, T3,

> and T4 was in the " normal " range. I continued with the same dose of

> 167 mcg of Levothyroxine.

>

> Then last week I started having heard palpitations and what may be

> premature ventricular contractions (PVC) every day, sometimes several

> in an hour. I thought, maybe it's a Hashimoto's spike that the

> naturopath said can occur.

>

> But my resting pulse rate all during this time is about 45 -- and

> during the three visits to the naturopath it was 48, 43, and 45 --

> unusually low for me, usually it's in the 60's.

>

> So can one have normal TSH, T3, and T4, but still have low pulse rate,

> and does low pulse or any other normal-to-low thyroid condition

> contribute to PVC and palpitations?

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Also what do you mean by the "normal" range, do you have the labs and ranges handy to post? Sometimes "normal" is not normal at all

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Your pulse rate is so low that it's dangerous. NOone should ever carry a

pulse rate this low, so what has this doctor said about this, and what is

he/she going to do? That is a very HYPO pulse rate. Yes, a pulse rate that

low can CAUSE palpitations, as the heart is trying to bring blood through,

but can't, so it starts working harder, on and off. With both Grave's and

Hashi's, you will have a lot of conflicting things, but I have a

question----What did the last doctor test to determine that you even had

Grave's? Did he do antibodies testing that was specific for it? TSI and

TrAb? There is another one, but I can't recall it right now, but those are

very specific for Grave's. Or did he just assume it was Grave's instead of

first phase Hashi's?

----- Original Message -----

> Hi, I'm a 49 YO male, diagnosed with Graves' Disease in 1997. I had

> the radioiodine treatment and went on generic Levothyroxine in 2000.

> Occasionally in the last two years I have felt hyper, and went to my

> HMO care provider. They weren't concerned, so this summer I adjusted

> my dose down to where I felt okay, then went to a naturopath who

> suspected presence of Hashimoto's antibodies. This was 3 weeks ago,

> and I tested positive for Hashimoto's but everything else, TSH, T3,

> and T4 was in the "normal" range. I continued with the same dose of

> 167 mcg of Levothyroxine.

>

> Then last week I started having heard palpitations and what may be

> premature ventricular contractions (PVC) every day, sometimes several

> in an hour. I thought, maybe it's a Hashimoto's spike that the

> naturopath said can occur.

>

> But my resting pulse rate all during this time is about 45 -- and

> during the three visits to the naturopath it was 48, 43, and 45 --

> unusually low for me, usually it's in the 60's.

>

> So can one have normal TSH, T3, and T4, but still have low pulse rate,

> and does low pulse or any other normal-to-low thyroid condition

> contribute to PVC and palpitations?

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I have had bouts of this out of nowhere, Judy, and I frankly think that I could possibly have an autonomous nodule, since they've checked out my heart and found nothing (emergency room for 4 hrs or so), but not the "looks" of my thyroid. It happened just a few days ago out of nowhere, but it started when I was having an aching down in the front lower part of my neck for several days. I personally think that I have a nodule in there somewhere (I'm thinking possibility on my own left lobe of thyroid) that is spitting out it's own T3 at intervals, and I think that this is why I've had this very mixed bag of symptoms for quite awhile. It's just too puzzling these days. This is why I say that I KNOW that I need an ultrasound and/or a scan on my thyroid, for the last couple of yrs now. D@^^, I HATE this disease!!! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My last testing showed a Free T3 at midrange with Free T4 at the very top or 1/10 point below the top of "normal", but I was not having these same symptoms at the time, just on and off, as has been usual with me over the last several yrs. I just love Hashi's.

Re: Low heart rate and palpitations, but TSH is "normal" - why?

I have no experience with Hashi's, but I have been living with PVC's for about 13 years. They were relentless in the beginning, but now I can go months without an episode. Have you had your electrolytes tested? (Among other things) PVCs can be caused by an electrolyte imbalance. I first found the connection when I was knee deep in an attack, the abulance was on the way. My heart had been jumping around for over 45 minutes, but I was hungry and grabbed a banana. By the time the paramedics arrived, I was completely normal again. Now I have a banana each day and cal/mag/pot powder at bedtime. Armour increases started them up again for some reason, but I haven't had more than a few over the past few months. I know that they're benign, but I still stress when they hit... Judy

PS... when you get that first one, start to cough! Cough about 4 or 5 times, not too hard, and many times it will put your heart back in rhythm. In any case, it will distract you through the short bouts.

Then last week I started having heard palpitations and what may be premature ventricular contractions (PVC) every day, sometimes several in an hour. I thought, maybe it's a Hashimoto's spike that the naturopath said can occur.

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I hope you do find the source. As 'harmless' as they say PVCs are, after all these years, they still startle and frighten me. Mine began about 1 hour after taking a popular OTC flu hot drink, and although the doctors dismiss my observations, I'll go to my grave believing that it was the cause... Judy

I have had bouts of this out of nowhere, Judy, and I frankly think that I could possibly have an autonomous nodule, since they've checked out my heart and found nothing (emergency room for 4 hrs or so).

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72 bpm is about the healthy average. I know that some health authorities say that 60 bpm for a trained athlete is normal, but I highly question that. In the health profession, anyone who is on certain meds heartrates should never go below 60, or the med is dropped down some. When I was very hypo, mine went down to around 56 to 58 bpm. That's when more palps set in, and that is a very unhealthy rate for anyone. 80 is ok for some people, but 90 is too high for almost anyone, especially if the coronaries are not in tip top shape. If they are, they may soon not be, over a period of yrs or so, with that kind of sustained stress on them. If you're sustaining about 80, not so bad, but if you are sustaining 90 too often, it needs to come down some. What does your doctor say about this? Are you on meds for this? There are some things that we just can't sit back and wait for our thyroid meds to take care of, especially over a lot of time.

Re: Low heart rate and palpitations, but TSH is "normal" - why?

does anyone know the average pulse rate for hypo people?? mine is around 80-90 resting.

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I never had any problem with pseudoephedrine, as long as I took only a half dose of it a couple of times a day. That's the key with hypo people, we are usually slow acetalators with everything we take, i.e., it takes a bigger punch with a lower dose, and stays in our bodies longer, slow to metabolize out. It is the phenylephrine that I am having the problem with in ANY dose, I hate that stuff! The labels on these things SHOULD state that the normal dose shouldn't be taken by HYPER people, and that a smaller dose would be more in order for HYPO people, generally, that is, unless you just are sensitive or allergic, period. Then you're talking about many variations among many people for different reasons. If the coronaries are in bad shape or the heart is in bad shape, then common sense follows. If you're already in arhythmia from any cause, then it certainly wouldn't be very wise to take any of it at all, but the dilemma is that s stuffy weepy nose, with stopped up ears and a clogged chest has it's own set of worries with blood pressure and such, i.e. fast breathing, low oxygen, etc.....I had a very good pharmacist tell me yrs ago, when I was worried about buying the pseudoephedrine, that it was darned if you do and darned if you don't, when it comes to the blood pressure, as he said that extreme allergies and breathing problems would also drive the blood pressure sky high, so what do we do? Probably the best way would be to get the allergy desensitization, but ALL these things are major stressors on the body, so we've got stress any way we go, lol.

Re: Low heart rate and palpitations, but TSH is "normal" - why?

You're right , I'm sure it was on there. Because products like that will just list 'thyroid disorders (disease)' or something like that, I always thought that it was more of a warning for 'hyper' people in that it would push them over the top. At worst, I thought I might feel a little jumpy for an hour or two, but never expected a lifelong ailment from it. They all say the same thing and they need to be more specific. Yes, I've learned my lesson. Thanks... Judy

those are certain reasons we as thyroid patients should not take them. i believe theraflu even has 'thyroid' as being on the list of who doesn't take it.

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My doctor has never had a problem with it. For me I hav been around 80-90 for years and because of a history of hbp in my family he monitors mine heavily and my bp never goes above 120/80. As of right now it's holding a steady 80. I've been working out almost every day this week so far and it's funny.... my body draws me to the gym. If I don't go, I get antsy LOL. I check my bp before and after I go and it's always in the normal ranges.

My heart beats are steady and they never sound murmured or forceful and I do occasionally take propranolol when needed (for chest pains) although it's maybe once ever 2-3 months that I need it. Now, when I exercise it is still around 80-90 (after breaking a sweat). I don't have palps anymore (allergic reactions combined with med adjustments) and my heart as far as I know has always been in good shape, with the exception of a hole I had in my heart when I was born (which is fairly common).

I like to keep a check on it because I know the rate is high... That is also why I've been hitting the gym pretty hard. I cut out my allergens (didn't change anything else) and lost 30 lbs. That was over the summer. I started trying to work some allergens back into my diet and I gained 20 lbs of it back. So it looks like I'll have to be REALLY strict with myself. Which is okay with me because I need the discipline and structure. I hate it in every other part of my life, but if working out daily and avoiding allergenic foods keeps me healthy, I'm on it. I have to be... I gotta get my Bachelor's so I can go to Med School LOL.

Re: Low heart rate and palpitations, but TSH is "normal" - why?

does anyone know the average pulse rate for hypo people?? mine is around 80-90 resting.