Re: Did these supplements cause problem?

[Guest guest]

Have you looked at the scd listservs for info on crohn's?

>>> " toowittybird " toowittybird@...> 7/23/2007 9:55 AM >>>

I have been introducing the following supplements since about 10 days

ago. Since this morning I have had a wretched stomach, with very

tender, sore lower right gut (I have Crohn's with 2 surgeries - this

is usually a symptom of inflammation in my case). Anything I eat

(applesauce, sauteed chicken breasts, carrot & lime juice, crackers,

cheese) is going right through me. I have had diarrhea at least 8-10

times since the morning. And my stomach burns like crazy! Is it the

supplements?

This was my morning dose spread over an hour or so before breakfast.

L-Lysine (500mg , 1 pill)

L-Arginine (500 mg , 2 pills)

Glysine (500 mg , 1 pill)

Molybdenum (1 ml)

Zinc (30 mg , 1 pill)

Selenium (Selenate & selenomethionine) (30 mg , 1 pill)

Betaine Plus (650 mg (496 Betaine, 140 mg Pepsin), 1 pill)

Glucosamine (250 mg , 1 pill)

Glutamine (250 mg , 1 pill)

Milk Thistle (1 pill)

Co - Q 10 ( 30 mg , 1 pill)

Cat's Claw ( 500 mg , 1 pill)

Pro DHA ( 500 mg, 1 pill)

Folinic Acid ( 2 pills)

Tridophilus ( 2 pills)

Magnesium, Potassium, Calcium as Oligoelements liquid - 30 cc

I am worried that my Crohn's is in a flare. I am also due for my

period any day now, but I usually have just a slightly sensitive

stomach - nothing like this.

[Guest guest]

>

> Have you looked at the scd listservs for info on crohn's?

>

I am on the SCD since many years now. I have cut out some sulfur foods

specially eggs because of the mercury issue - I notice if I do eat the

eggs I get more d and it smells very sulfuric.

[Guest guest]

One thing that is **possible is that you may have enough potassium.

High potassium will lead to diarrhea when the levels get high enough

(and the diarrhea leads to potassium loss which should correct the

problem until another dose of potassium is taken). I'm just saying

this is a possibility.

What I would do is go back to the beginner SCD for a week or until the

diarrhea settles. Be sure to drink water and SCD electrolyte drink.

Then I would introduce the supplements one at a time starting with the

most important. You may find that you will need to obtain supplements

in a pure form (without additives) and there may be supplements that

you won't be able to tolerate at first.

Sorry to hear that you are having trouble. I hope you feel better soon.

J

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> I have been introducing the following supplements since about 10 days

> ago. Since this morning I have had a wretched stomach, with very

> tender, sore lower right gut (I have Crohn's with 2 surgeries - this

> is usually a symptom of inflammation in my case). Anything I eat

> (applesauce, sauteed chicken breasts, carrot & lime juice, crackers,

> cheese) is going right through me. I have had diarrhea at least 8-10

> times since the morning. And my stomach burns like crazy! Is it the

> supplements?

>

> This was my morning dose spread over an hour or so before breakfast.

>

> L-Lysine (500mg , 1 pill)

> L-Arginine (500 mg , 2 pills)

> Glysine (500 mg , 1 pill)

> Molybdenum (1 ml)

> Zinc (30 mg , 1 pill)

> Selenium (Selenate & selenomethionine) (30 mg , 1 pill)

> Betaine Plus (650 mg (496 Betaine, 140 mg Pepsin), 1 pill)

> Glucosamine (250 mg , 1 pill)

> Glutamine (250 mg , 1 pill)

> Milk Thistle (1 pill)

> Co - Q 10 ( 30 mg , 1 pill)

> Cat's Claw ( 500 mg , 1 pill)

> Pro DHA ( 500 mg, 1 pill)

> Folinic Acid ( 2 pills)

> Tridophilus ( 2 pills)

> Magnesium, Potassium, Calcium as Oligoelements liquid - 30 cc

>

> I am worried that my Crohn's is in a flare. I am also due for my

> period any day now, but I usually have just a slightly sensitive

> stomach - nothing like this.

>

[Guest guest]

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>

> Then I would introduce the supplements one at a time starting with the

> most important.

Could you help me decide which supplements are considered the most

important?

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Then I would introduce the supplements one at a time starting with the

> most important.

Could you help me decide which supplements are considered the most

important?

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Then I would introduce the supplements one at a time starting with the

> most important.

Could you help me decide which supplements are considered the most

important?

>

[Guest guest]

> Betaine Plus (650 mg (496 Betaine, 140 mg Pepsin), 1 pill)

I would stop this one and see if it helps. Some of the others

could possibly cause problems, too, but this is a lot of betaine

if you have not used it before (at least it is for me). I can

use half this much most of the time and it took months to work

up to that.

Zinc upsets me if I take on an empty stomach.

You probably know this, but you may need to treat your gut

very gently for awhile to recover. I have found slippery elm

and DGL or licorice to be wonderful at soothing and healing my

gut.

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[Guest guest]

> Betaine Plus (650 mg (496 Betaine, 140 mg Pepsin), 1 pill)

I would stop this one and see if it helps. Some of the others

could possibly cause problems, too, but this is a lot of betaine

if you have not used it before (at least it is for me). I can

use half this much most of the time and it took months to work

up to that.

Zinc upsets me if I take on an empty stomach.

You probably know this, but you may need to treat your gut

very gently for awhile to recover. I have found slippery elm

and DGL or licorice to be wonderful at soothing and healing my

gut.

--

[Guest guest]

> Betaine Plus (650 mg (496 Betaine, 140 mg Pepsin), 1 pill)

I would stop this one and see if it helps. Some of the others

could possibly cause problems, too, but this is a lot of betaine

if you have not used it before (at least it is for me). I can

use half this much most of the time and it took months to work

up to that.

Zinc upsets me if I take on an empty stomach.

You probably know this, but you may need to treat your gut

very gently for awhile to recover. I have found slippery elm

and DGL or licorice to be wonderful at soothing and healing my

gut.

--

[Guest guest]

It may be bacterial, some people have dysbiosis where the bacteria like

sulphur and give off hydrogen sulphide which is that smell. May be

worth looking into, this person has an issue with sulphur foods and

there are a few website that talk about it

http://www.canarys-eye-view.org/conditions/citrofreundii.html

Phil

> >

> > Have you looked at the scd listservs for info on crohn's?

> >

> I am on the SCD since many years now. I have cut out some sulfur foods

> specially eggs because of the mercury issue - I notice if I do eat the

> eggs I get more d and it smells very sulfuric.

>

[Guest guest]

It may be bacterial, some people have dysbiosis where the bacteria like

sulphur and give off hydrogen sulphide which is that smell. May be

worth looking into, this person has an issue with sulphur foods and

there are a few website that talk about it

http://www.canarys-eye-view.org/conditions/citrofreundii.html

Phil

> >

> > Have you looked at the scd listservs for info on crohn's?

> >

> I am on the SCD since many years now. I have cut out some sulfur foods

> specially eggs because of the mercury issue - I notice if I do eat the

> eggs I get more d and it smells very sulfuric.

>

[Guest guest]

> > Then I would introduce the supplements one at a time starting with the

> > most important.

>

> Could you help me decide which supplements are considered the most

> important?

>

> >

>

These are listed on p 133-134 of " Amalgam Illness " with recommended

dosages.

I would start with

Vitamin C - to bowel tolerance, then reduce the dose slightly.

Magnesium - citrate, malate or aspartate, or magnesium sulfate cream.

Often people have to start with low doses of Mg spread over the day

and gradually increase. Daily epsom salt baths will help too.

Vitamin B complex - B50 or B100 split

Zinc - I use citrate, there may be other forms that are suitable.

Molybdenum

The above are to be split in 4 doses spread over the day (mealtime and

bedtime).

The following are oils and can be taken once a day.

Cod liver oil, fish oil, or flax oil, as a source of omega 3 oils.

Vitamin E

Start with those at the doses that you can tolerate.

J

[Guest guest]

> > Then I would introduce the supplements one at a time starting with the

> > most important.

>

> Could you help me decide which supplements are considered the most

> important?

>

> >

>

These are listed on p 133-134 of " Amalgam Illness " with recommended

dosages.

I would start with

Vitamin C - to bowel tolerance, then reduce the dose slightly.

Magnesium - citrate, malate or aspartate, or magnesium sulfate cream.

Often people have to start with low doses of Mg spread over the day

and gradually increase. Daily epsom salt baths will help too.

Vitamin B complex - B50 or B100 split

Zinc - I use citrate, there may be other forms that are suitable.

Molybdenum

The above are to be split in 4 doses spread over the day (mealtime and

bedtime).

The following are oils and can be taken once a day.

Cod liver oil, fish oil, or flax oil, as a source of omega 3 oils.

Vitamin E

Start with those at the doses that you can tolerate.

J

[Guest guest]

> > Then I would introduce the supplements one at a time starting with the

> > most important.

>

> Could you help me decide which supplements are considered the most

> important?

>

> >

>

These are listed on p 133-134 of " Amalgam Illness " with recommended

dosages.

I would start with

Vitamin C - to bowel tolerance, then reduce the dose slightly.

Magnesium - citrate, malate or aspartate, or magnesium sulfate cream.

Often people have to start with low doses of Mg spread over the day

and gradually increase. Daily epsom salt baths will help too.

Vitamin B complex - B50 or B100 split

Zinc - I use citrate, there may be other forms that are suitable.

Molybdenum

The above are to be split in 4 doses spread over the day (mealtime and

bedtime).

The following are oils and can be taken once a day.

Cod liver oil, fish oil, or flax oil, as a source of omega 3 oils.

Vitamin E

Start with those at the doses that you can tolerate.

J