Re: What general approach should we take?

[Guest guest]

---Amy,

I wanted to share my experience with teeth removal - not that it will

be the same but incase you have a similar experience.

After amalgam removals my anxiety shoots up and neuropathy. I find my

symptoms subside and then hit me again around 4 - 6 weeks out. Don't

be surprised if your husband feels the effects a little later. It

takes me personally three months to climb back to " normal " after my

amalgams are removed. I have done this 4 times in the past year (a

quadrant at a time) and I follow the same pattern each time.

I am happy to say I am finished!!!!

Good luck

[Guest guest]

Comments towards the bottom....

>

> I've been using ALA chelation with my son and daughter, low dose,

> every 3 hours during the day, 4 hours at night. This was after my son

> had some success using DMPS in the not-advised way (followed the

> doctor's instructions, and it was oral), but his liver enzymes were a

> little high and we were worried.

>

> My husband decided to have his amalgams out. He had seven -- he had

> three out on August 1st, and four out today. For two weeks before, I

> had him on Andy's recommended supplements, a B-complex (coenzymated),

> Borage, milk thistle, Vitamins A, C, D, E, K2, magnesium, and a

> multimineral containing selenium, zinc and other trace minerals at

> night (Thorne Citramin II). We've been following a Nourishing

> Traditions diet fairly strictly, mostly gluten-free (except what he

> might have in his cafeteria food at work) for the past seven months

or so.

>

> He had very little reaction after the first three were taken out.

> He'd been not great about remembering the supplements (I divided them

> out in little pill packets for each morning), so he took them every

> other day, or so. He has been having anxiety attacks in his sleep a

> little more often, and had a little neuropathy the evening of the

> first removal, but I gave him supplemental B-complex (this has folinic

> and 5-MTHF as well as MB-12 in it).

>

> Tonight after the final removal, his mouth was really sore, and he

> seemed more tired than usual, but I did give him half the coenzymated

> B-complex (so 25 mg of most things) and about 2500 micrograms of

> dibencozide (adenosylcobalamin).

>

> I cut up the dibencozide and B-vitamins so he can take some in the

> evening for a while.

>Should he take some bentonite and psyllium for

> the next couple of days?

>

Yes.

If he is taking medications skip the bentonite (could adsorb the meds).

> My question is -- am I leaving anything out?

I think that you are missing a source of omega 3, like fish or flax oil.

Your husband is very fortunate that you take such good care of him.

Hopefully he will take some responsibility to remember to take his

supplements so that he feels better. More magnesium *might help the

anxiety.

>Also, all we have on

> hand is ALA. Can we do ALA alone,

Not right now. You need to wait until 4 months after amalgam removal

to try ALA.

> or do I need to get him in to see

> our doctor so we can get something else,

>get my hands on some DMSA,

> and when should we start chelation?

If you can get some DMSA you can start chelation 4 days after amalgam

removal. See the files and links sections for sources of DMSA without

a prescription. Be sure to obtain small (25 mg) caps. These can

easily be divided by half. See TKs general recommendations in the

files section.

> I was thinking we should wait

> until the 'dust settles' so to speak, since the graph in Andy's book

> says that symptoms typically worsen around 6 months.

>

If you look again at Andy's graph you will notice that the people who

are chelating (properly) don't get hit quite so hard by post amalgam

removal symptoms. It would be good to get him in a chelation routine

soon.

If you can find a practitioner to prescribe DMPS that would be good too.

Lucky husband :-)

J

> I tried searching the archives, but I wasn't sure what search terms to

> use.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Amy

>

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> If he is taking medications skip the bentonite (could adsorb the meds).

>

> I think that you are missing a source of omega 3, like fish or flax oil.

>

> Your husband is very fortunate that you take such good care of him.

> Hopefully he will take some responsibility to remember to take his

> supplements so that he feels better. More magnesium *might help the

> anxiety.

>

> >Also, all we have on

> > hand is ALA. Can we do ALA alone,

>

> Not right now. You need to wait until 4 months after amalgam removal

> to try ALA.

>

> If you can get some DMSA you can start chelation 4 days after amalgam

> removal. See the files and links sections for sources of DMSA without

> a prescription. Be sure to obtain small (25 mg) caps. These can

> easily be divided by half. See TKs general recommendations in the

> files section.

>

> If you look again at Andy's graph you will notice that the people who

> are chelating (properly) don't get hit quite so hard by post amalgam

> removal symptoms. It would be good to get him in a chelation routine

> soon.

>

> If you can find a practitioner to prescribe DMPS that would be good too.

,

Thank you for the great information. He's been much better about

remembering his supps since he got the second half removed. In fact,

that evening, he asked me, " What do I need to take now? " I said

besides the little packets I made up for him, the most important thing

is the coenzymated B complex and the MB-12.

He's doing really well so far, so I'll hold off on DMSA/DMPS unless he

suddenly gets worse.

We typically take the Green Pastures CLO/BO in this house; but he

doesn't like it. He did actually say he'd take it, though, so I'll

point him toward it or the fish oil. I was under the impression that

some folks have trouble usign Omega 3's anyway, so I figured he'd get

more benefit out of borage.

Amy

[Guest guest]

> If he is taking medications skip the bentonite (could adsorb the meds).

>

> I think that you are missing a source of omega 3, like fish or flax oil.

>

> Your husband is very fortunate that you take such good care of him.

> Hopefully he will take some responsibility to remember to take his

> supplements so that he feels better. More magnesium *might help the

> anxiety.

>

> >Also, all we have on

> > hand is ALA. Can we do ALA alone,

>

> Not right now. You need to wait until 4 months after amalgam removal

> to try ALA.

>

> If you can get some DMSA you can start chelation 4 days after amalgam

> removal. See the files and links sections for sources of DMSA without

> a prescription. Be sure to obtain small (25 mg) caps. These can

> easily be divided by half. See TKs general recommendations in the

> files section.

>

> If you look again at Andy's graph you will notice that the people who

> are chelating (properly) don't get hit quite so hard by post amalgam

> removal symptoms. It would be good to get him in a chelation routine

> soon.

>

> If you can find a practitioner to prescribe DMPS that would be good too.

,

Thank you for the great information. He's been much better about

remembering his supps since he got the second half removed. In fact,

that evening, he asked me, " What do I need to take now? " I said

besides the little packets I made up for him, the most important thing

is the coenzymated B complex and the MB-12.

He's doing really well so far, so I'll hold off on DMSA/DMPS unless he

suddenly gets worse.

We typically take the Green Pastures CLO/BO in this house; but he

doesn't like it. He did actually say he'd take it, though, so I'll

point him toward it or the fish oil. I was under the impression that

some folks have trouble usign Omega 3's anyway, so I figured he'd get

more benefit out of borage.

Amy

[Guest guest]

> If he is taking medications skip the bentonite (could adsorb the meds).

>

> I think that you are missing a source of omega 3, like fish or flax oil.

>

> Your husband is very fortunate that you take such good care of him.

> Hopefully he will take some responsibility to remember to take his

> supplements so that he feels better. More magnesium *might help the

> anxiety.

>

> >Also, all we have on

> > hand is ALA. Can we do ALA alone,

>

> Not right now. You need to wait until 4 months after amalgam removal

> to try ALA.

>

> If you can get some DMSA you can start chelation 4 days after amalgam

> removal. See the files and links sections for sources of DMSA without

> a prescription. Be sure to obtain small (25 mg) caps. These can

> easily be divided by half. See TKs general recommendations in the

> files section.

>

> If you look again at Andy's graph you will notice that the people who

> are chelating (properly) don't get hit quite so hard by post amalgam

> removal symptoms. It would be good to get him in a chelation routine

> soon.

>

> If you can find a practitioner to prescribe DMPS that would be good too.

,

Thank you for the great information. He's been much better about

remembering his supps since he got the second half removed. In fact,

that evening, he asked me, " What do I need to take now? " I said

besides the little packets I made up for him, the most important thing

is the coenzymated B complex and the MB-12.

He's doing really well so far, so I'll hold off on DMSA/DMPS unless he

suddenly gets worse.

We typically take the Green Pastures CLO/BO in this house; but he

doesn't like it. He did actually say he'd take it, though, so I'll

point him toward it or the fish oil. I was under the impression that

some folks have trouble usign Omega 3's anyway, so I figured he'd get

more benefit out of borage.

Amy

[Guest guest]

> ,

>

> Thank you for the great information. He's been much better about

> remembering his supps since he got the second half removed. In fact,

> that evening, he asked me, " What do I need to take now? " I said

> besides the little packets I made up for him, the most important thing

> is the coenzymated B complex and the MB-12.

>

> He's doing really well so far, so I'll hold off on DMSA/DMPS unless he

> suddenly gets worse.

>

What I would do is start chelating him with DMSA or DMPS so that you

can find out what the right dose is BEFORE he suddenly gets worse.

When he hits the 3 month after removal point and the body starts

dumping mercury out of the organs DMSA or DMPS can really help to

escort that mercury out of the body and alleviate symptoms.

> We typically take the Green Pastures CLO/BO in this house; but he

> doesn't like it. He did actually say he'd take it, though, so I'll

> point him toward it or the fish oil. I was under the impression that

> some folks have trouble usign Omega 3's anyway, so I figured he'd get

> more benefit out of borage.

>

Borage is mostly omega 6. We all need a source of omega 3, usually in

fairly large quantities because our diets do not have sufficient omega

3. Some people don't tolerate some sources so it's a matter of

determining which source is best tolerated. Udo's oils are generally

quite good, or Nordic Naturals CLO.

J

> Amy

>

[Guest guest]

> Borage is mostly omega 6. We all need a source of omega 3, usually in

> fairly large quantities because our diets do not have sufficient omega

> 3. Some people don't tolerate some sources so it's a matter of

> determining which source is best tolerated. Udo's oils are generally

> quite good, or Nordic Naturals CLO.

LOL. Actually, I was wondering if my family might get too much Omega

3's. We eat only grassfed meats, cheese from grassfed animals, and

raw milk from grassfed cows. I was also thinking that it was possible

that mercury was inhibiting the delta-6-desaturase enzyme. Within a

month of starting borage, severe PMS cleared up for me, and it seems

to help my son as well (though those effects are less pronounced -- he

does have perfect skin, though). I make a lot of my decisions for our

nutrition based on us having same exposures to things and also having

identical diets.

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/gamma-linolenic.html

Nordic Naturals is stripped of Vitamins A and D which are necessary

for proper protein digestion and protect against autoimmune disease.

http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/codliver-manufacture.html

Amy

[Guest guest]

> Borage is mostly omega 6. We all need a source of omega 3, usually in

> fairly large quantities because our diets do not have sufficient omega

> 3. Some people don't tolerate some sources so it's a matter of

> determining which source is best tolerated. Udo's oils are generally

> quite good, or Nordic Naturals CLO.

LOL. Actually, I was wondering if my family might get too much Omega

3's. We eat only grassfed meats, cheese from grassfed animals, and

raw milk from grassfed cows. I was also thinking that it was possible

that mercury was inhibiting the delta-6-desaturase enzyme. Within a

month of starting borage, severe PMS cleared up for me, and it seems

to help my son as well (though those effects are less pronounced -- he

does have perfect skin, though). I make a lot of my decisions for our

nutrition based on us having same exposures to things and also having

identical diets.

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/gamma-linolenic.html

Nordic Naturals is stripped of Vitamins A and D which are necessary

for proper protein digestion and protect against autoimmune disease.

http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/codliver-manufacture.html

Amy

[Guest guest]

> Borage is mostly omega 6. We all need a source of omega 3, usually in

> fairly large quantities because our diets do not have sufficient omega

> 3. Some people don't tolerate some sources so it's a matter of

> determining which source is best tolerated. Udo's oils are generally

> quite good, or Nordic Naturals CLO.

LOL. Actually, I was wondering if my family might get too much Omega

3's. We eat only grassfed meats, cheese from grassfed animals, and

raw milk from grassfed cows. I was also thinking that it was possible

that mercury was inhibiting the delta-6-desaturase enzyme. Within a

month of starting borage, severe PMS cleared up for me, and it seems

to help my son as well (though those effects are less pronounced -- he

does have perfect skin, though). I make a lot of my decisions for our

nutrition based on us having same exposures to things and also having

identical diets.

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/gamma-linolenic.html

Nordic Naturals is stripped of Vitamins A and D which are necessary

for proper protein digestion and protect against autoimmune disease.

http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/codliver-manufacture.html

Amy

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: aelewark

To: frequent-dose-chelation

Nordic Naturals is stripped of Vitamins A and D which are necessary

for proper protein digestion and protect against autoimmune disease.

===>Nordic Naturals now makes an Artic-D clo with 400 mgs D. I went to the

trouble of getting the chemical assays on NN, Carlson's and Green Pastures and

I was concerned with the amount of mercury that Carlson's and Green Pastures had

as compared to Nordic Naturals. Just a different opinion.====>

http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/codliver-manufacture.html

Amy

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: aelewark

To: frequent-dose-chelation

Nordic Naturals is stripped of Vitamins A and D which are necessary

for proper protein digestion and protect against autoimmune disease.

===>Nordic Naturals now makes an Artic-D clo with 400 mgs D. I went to the

trouble of getting the chemical assays on NN, Carlson's and Green Pastures and

I was concerned with the amount of mercury that Carlson's and Green Pastures had

as compared to Nordic Naturals. Just a different opinion.====>

http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/codliver-manufacture.html

Amy

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: aelewark

To: frequent-dose-chelation

Nordic Naturals is stripped of Vitamins A and D which are necessary

for proper protein digestion and protect against autoimmune disease.

===>Nordic Naturals now makes an Artic-D clo with 400 mgs D. I went to the

trouble of getting the chemical assays on NN, Carlson's and Green Pastures and

I was concerned with the amount of mercury that Carlson's and Green Pastures had

as compared to Nordic Naturals. Just a different opinion.====>

http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/codliver-manufacture.html

Amy

[Guest guest]

> ===>Nordic Naturals now makes an Artic-D clo with 400 mgs D. I

went to the trouble of getting the chemical assays on NN, Carlson's

and Green Pastures and I was concerned with the amount of mercury that

Carlson's and Green Pastures had as compared to Nordic Naturals. Just

a different opinion.====>

,

Hi again! You mean IUs, right? So, what do you do for supplemental

D, then? Do you take cholecalciferol, or go outside naked at noon?

LOL.

We live within 30 miles of two power plants. So, I figure given the

WHO estimates that 80% of mercury is absorbed from air, and 7% from

food, the tiny amount in CLO is probably a pittance compared,

unfortunately, to what we're breathing here.

Thoughts?

Amy

[Guest guest]

> ===>Nordic Naturals now makes an Artic-D clo with 400 mgs D. I

went to the trouble of getting the chemical assays on NN, Carlson's

and Green Pastures and I was concerned with the amount of mercury that

Carlson's and Green Pastures had as compared to Nordic Naturals. Just

a different opinion.====>

,

Hi again! You mean IUs, right? So, what do you do for supplemental

D, then? Do you take cholecalciferol, or go outside naked at noon?

LOL.

We live within 30 miles of two power plants. So, I figure given the

WHO estimates that 80% of mercury is absorbed from air, and 7% from

food, the tiny amount in CLO is probably a pittance compared,

unfortunately, to what we're breathing here.

Thoughts?

Amy

[Guest guest]

> ===>Nordic Naturals now makes an Artic-D clo with 400 mgs D. I

went to the trouble of getting the chemical assays on NN, Carlson's

and Green Pastures and I was concerned with the amount of mercury that

Carlson's and Green Pastures had as compared to Nordic Naturals. Just

a different opinion.====>

,

Hi again! You mean IUs, right? So, what do you do for supplemental

D, then? Do you take cholecalciferol, or go outside naked at noon?

LOL.

We live within 30 miles of two power plants. So, I figure given the

WHO estimates that 80% of mercury is absorbed from air, and 7% from

food, the tiny amount in CLO is probably a pittance compared,

unfortunately, to what we're breathing here.

Thoughts?

Amy

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: aelewark

> ===>Nordic Naturals now makes an Artic-D clo with 400 mgs D. I

went to the trouble of getting the chemical assays on NN, Carlson's

and Green Pastures and I was concerned with the amount of mercury that

Carlson's and Green Pastures had as compared to Nordic Naturals. Just

a different opinion.====>

,

Hi again! You mean IUs, right? So, what do you do for supplemental

D, then? Do you take cholecalciferol, or go outside naked at noon?

LOL.

====>Yes, I meant IU's, 400IU per tsp. And do you mean what do we do for

supplemental A? We had her D levels tested, both, and they are with 2/3 the top

ref range so we're good with D. For A, we use Nordic Naturals clo, which has

about 2900IU's per tsp.

So she gets 1 tsp NN Artic-D and 2 tsps NN CLO, lots of DHA and EPA's. If we

need more A we use retinyl acetate and/or beta carotene.

All the above clo's are allowed to list their mercury/heavy metal content as

ND or nondetectable, I was just surprised there was so much difference in them.

Any clo is good but I was, again, concerned with the level in the Green Pastures

and Carlson's.

Amy

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: aelewark

> ===>Nordic Naturals now makes an Artic-D clo with 400 mgs D. I

went to the trouble of getting the chemical assays on NN, Carlson's

and Green Pastures and I was concerned with the amount of mercury that

Carlson's and Green Pastures had as compared to Nordic Naturals. Just

a different opinion.====>

,

Hi again! You mean IUs, right? So, what do you do for supplemental

D, then? Do you take cholecalciferol, or go outside naked at noon?

LOL.

====>Yes, I meant IU's, 400IU per tsp. And do you mean what do we do for

supplemental A? We had her D levels tested, both, and they are with 2/3 the top

ref range so we're good with D. For A, we use Nordic Naturals clo, which has

about 2900IU's per tsp.

So she gets 1 tsp NN Artic-D and 2 tsps NN CLO, lots of DHA and EPA's. If we

need more A we use retinyl acetate and/or beta carotene.

All the above clo's are allowed to list their mercury/heavy metal content as

ND or nondetectable, I was just surprised there was so much difference in them.

Any clo is good but I was, again, concerned with the level in the Green Pastures

and Carlson's.

Amy