Re: Andy/others/Thyroid results

[Guest guest]

,

When they call with the rest of the results be sure to get the units

and reference range (I'm not sure if they are using the same as what

we get up here). Did you check the pediatric reference ranges once

and are they using those or adult ranges?

The TSH is low when someone is on thyroid hormone. T3 and T4 are

probably low because it was time for her next dose, or she wasn't

getting the usual doses that day.

>

> Andy/group,

>

> We got our preliminary thyroid results and they are surprising. Her

TSH came in low, low at 0.269 and her Free T4 came in at 1.070, which

is also low. The Free T3 is not yet available but as T3 is converted

from T4, I am assuming it would also be low.

>

> We gave her 1/2 grain of Armour at 8:00 and the blood test was taken

at 2:00 Pm, so 6 hours difference. The pediatrician is absolutely,

totally FREAKING out and called at 8:30am this morning to report

results and set up an appointment with a ped endocrinologist, can't

wait. They are also performing a thyroid antibody test on the

remaining blood sample.

>

> My questions are;

>

> 1. Is this anything to worry about? I'm aware that most dans!

want the TSH below 1 to stifle autoimmunity.

>

> 2. Does this explain her need for decreasing the dose timing of

chelators?

>

> 3. Why would the TSH be so low and also the Free T3 and Free T4

be low?

>

> 4. Of course, we just got the nerve up to do a round of low dose

dmps, does or should this change our plans?

>

> One clue might be the Diflucan which has, I read just last night,

fluoride. It's possible that the fluoride is pushing down the T3 and T4?

>

> Thanks for your attention,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I will have the correct pediatric reference ranges sent to the list. I'm

actually trying to figure this out between seeing patients, did you ever notice

how this stuff takes over your ENTIRE life?

You're right, we normally give 1/2 grain, on an empty stomach first thing in the

morning, then give the other 1/4 grain before lunch, and she did not have the

second dose the day of the test as Andy has told me to seperate the dosing of

the Armour by 5 hours to give accurate results. Thanks for this reminder.

It may take a few hours to get the ped ref ranges to the board as I have to ask

a friend to do it. The last time I posted them I accidently posted my entire " My

Documents " file. Good think I don't get or keep porno pictures, right? Clearly

not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to computer things.

Re: Andy/others/Thyroid results

,

When they call with the rest of the results be sure to get the units

and reference range (I'm not sure if they are using the same as what

we get up here). Did you check the pediatric reference ranges once

and are they using those or adult ranges?

The TSH is low when someone is on thyroid hormone. T3 and T4 are

probably low because it was time for her next dose, or she wasn't

getting the usual doses that day.

>

> Andy/group,

>

> We got our preliminary thyroid results and they are surprising. Her

TSH came in low, low at 0.269 and her Free T4 came in at 1.070, which

is also low. The Free T3 is not yet available but as T3 is converted

from T4, I am assuming it would also be low.

>

> We gave her 1/2 grain of Armour at 8:00 and the blood test was taken

at 2:00 Pm, so 6 hours difference. The pediatrician is absolutely,

totally FREAKING out and called at 8:30am this morning to report

results and set up an appointment with a ped endocrinologist, can't

wait. They are also performing a thyroid antibody test on the

remaining blood sample.

>

> My questions are;

>

> 1. Is this anything to worry about? I'm aware that most dans!

want the TSH below 1 to stifle autoimmunity.

>

> 2. Does this explain her need for decreasing the dose timing of

chelators?

>

> 3. Why would the TSH be so low and also the Free T3 and Free T4

be low?

>

> 4. Of course, we just got the nerve up to do a round of low dose

dmps, does or should this change our plans?

>

> One clue might be the Diflucan which has, I read just last night,

fluoride. It's possible that the fluoride is pushing down the T3 and T4?

>

> Thanks for your attention,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> did you ever notice how this stuff takes over your ENTIRE life?

>

Yes, especially when it has to do with the future of a young loved one.

> You're right, we normally give 1/2 grain, on an empty stomach first

>thing in the morning, then give the other 1/4 grain before lunch, and

>she did not have the second dose the day of the test as Andy has told

>me to seperate the dosing of the Armour by 5 hours to give accurate

>results. Thanks for this reminder.

>

I'm still not clear on when to take the meds and when to test. Best

to listen to what Andy has to say about that (and even if he told me I

don't remember).

> Clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to

>computer things.

>

GABA.

J

>

>

[Guest guest]

Her TSH came in low, low at 0.269

>>>The TSH is irelavent as she is on thyroid hormone. There should be no

>>>nervous responses about this figure.

and her Free T4 came in at 1.070, which is also low. The Free T3 is not yet

available but as T3 is converted from T4, I am assuming it would also be

low.

>>> T4 has a long-half life, I think it is 14 days. Her conversion may not

>>> be great. T3 is the most important of the lot.

The pediatrician is absolutely, totally FREAKING out and called at 8:30am

this morning to report results and set up an appointment with a ped

endocrinologist, can't wait. They are also performing a thyroid antibody

test on the remaining blood sample.

>>> Freaking out about what so far???? There are 3 antibodies that should be

>>> tested for

1 - Thyroid peroxidase antibody, TPOAb; -

2 - Thyroglobulin antibody, TgAb; and

3- Thyroid stimulating hormone receptor antibody, TRAb

And ferritin should not be missed.

Why would the TSH be so low and also the Free T3 and Free T4 be low?

>>> TSH is always low when you give supplementary thyroid hormone. Ignore

>>> it. Free T4 and T3 are too low when you are not giving enough thyroid

>>> hormone, or the body is jamming on the 'metabolic breaks' as in adrenal

>>> problems.

I think you cannot jump to conclusions until you have all the results.

Dean

[Guest guest]

>

> Andy/group,

>

> We got our preliminary thyroid results and they are surprising. Her

TSH came in low, low at 0.269 and her Free T4 came in at 1.070, which

is also low. The Free T3 is not yet available but as T3 is converted

from T4, I am assuming it would also be low.

Low TSH is not surprising. You are supplementing thyroid hormones,

so there is no reason she has to make TSH to stimulate thyroid

hormone production.

You cannot infer anything about free T3 based on free T4 result.

Wait and see what it is.

> We gave her 1/2 grain of Armour at 8:00 and the blood test was taken

at 2:00 Pm, so 6 hours difference. The pediatrician is absolutely,

totally FREAKING out and called at 8:30am this morning to report

results and set up an appointment with a ped endocrinologist, can't

wait. They are also performing a thyroid antibody test on the

remaining blood sample.

Crazy doctors. They say you are fine when you are very sick and

they say you are sick when you are fine. Get a bazooka.

> My questions are;

>

> 1. Is this anything to worry about? I'm aware that most dans!

want the TSH below 1 to stifle autoimmunity.

IMO, no worries here.

> 2. Does this explain her need for decreasing the dose timing of

chelators?

The information so far does not indicate that.

> 3. Why would the TSH be so low and also the Free T3 and Free T4

be low?

You don't know free T4 yet. Don't leap to conclusions

> 4. Of course, we just got the nerve up to do a round of low dose

dmps, does or should this change our plans?

IMO, no.

> One clue might be the Diflucan which has, I read just last night,

fluoride. It's possible that the fluoride is pushing down the T3 and T4?

Never heard of that.

--

> Thanks for your attention,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Andy/group,

>

> We got our preliminary thyroid results and they are surprising. Her

TSH came in low, low at 0.269 and her Free T4 came in at 1.070, which

is also low. The Free T3 is not yet available but as T3 is converted

from T4, I am assuming it would also be low.

Low TSH is not surprising. You are supplementing thyroid hormones,

so there is no reason she has to make TSH to stimulate thyroid

hormone production.

You cannot infer anything about free T3 based on free T4 result.

Wait and see what it is.

> We gave her 1/2 grain of Armour at 8:00 and the blood test was taken

at 2:00 Pm, so 6 hours difference. The pediatrician is absolutely,

totally FREAKING out and called at 8:30am this morning to report

results and set up an appointment with a ped endocrinologist, can't

wait. They are also performing a thyroid antibody test on the

remaining blood sample.

Crazy doctors. They say you are fine when you are very sick and

they say you are sick when you are fine. Get a bazooka.

> My questions are;

>

> 1. Is this anything to worry about? I'm aware that most dans!

want the TSH below 1 to stifle autoimmunity.

IMO, no worries here.

> 2. Does this explain her need for decreasing the dose timing of

chelators?

The information so far does not indicate that.

> 3. Why would the TSH be so low and also the Free T3 and Free T4

be low?

You don't know free T4 yet. Don't leap to conclusions

> 4. Of course, we just got the nerve up to do a round of low dose

dmps, does or should this change our plans?

IMO, no.

> One clue might be the Diflucan which has, I read just last night,

fluoride. It's possible that the fluoride is pushing down the T3 and T4?

Never heard of that.

--

> Thanks for your attention,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Andy/group,

>

> We got our preliminary thyroid results and they are surprising. Her

TSH came in low, low at 0.269 and her Free T4 came in at 1.070, which

is also low. The Free T3 is not yet available but as T3 is converted

from T4, I am assuming it would also be low.

Low TSH is not surprising. You are supplementing thyroid hormones,

so there is no reason she has to make TSH to stimulate thyroid

hormone production.

You cannot infer anything about free T3 based on free T4 result.

Wait and see what it is.

> We gave her 1/2 grain of Armour at 8:00 and the blood test was taken

at 2:00 Pm, so 6 hours difference. The pediatrician is absolutely,

totally FREAKING out and called at 8:30am this morning to report

results and set up an appointment with a ped endocrinologist, can't

wait. They are also performing a thyroid antibody test on the

remaining blood sample.

Crazy doctors. They say you are fine when you are very sick and

they say you are sick when you are fine. Get a bazooka.

> My questions are;

>

> 1. Is this anything to worry about? I'm aware that most dans!

want the TSH below 1 to stifle autoimmunity.

IMO, no worries here.

> 2. Does this explain her need for decreasing the dose timing of

chelators?

The information so far does not indicate that.

> 3. Why would the TSH be so low and also the Free T3 and Free T4

be low?

You don't know free T4 yet. Don't leap to conclusions

> 4. Of course, we just got the nerve up to do a round of low dose

dmps, does or should this change our plans?

IMO, no.

> One clue might be the Diflucan which has, I read just last night,

fluoride. It's possible that the fluoride is pushing down the T3 and T4?

Never heard of that.

--

> Thanks for your attention,

>

>

>