Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 > > I am now taking 15 mg HC - one dose in morning. Is there some reason you take it all at once? > I still don't get the effect others have described. It doesn't give > me a " boost " as as far as I can tell. I'm a lot sleepier now than > I was before, which I suppose is a good thing since I was not > sleeping much before starting it. Are you sleepy at bedtime or all day? I thought cortisol and melatonin each kind of suppressed the other. Sleepiness is not what I would anticipate. > I can only think of one episode > of really uncomfortable anxiety in the past week and I've slept 6-8 > hours per night for a full week, too - a full week means it is a real > trend, I'd say, not just a fluky variation. Hot flashes are fewer > and less hot. That all sounds good. > Overall, I'm pretty dulled out. Just what I needed. Sigh. > > I have been taking temps in the past week. I didn't realize how bad > they are. My morning temp is usually in the low 97s, and then it > bounces around with no pattern - as low as 95.6 and as high as 98. > No wonder my gut is such a disaster area. You might think of taking 20 mg and split the dose up more during the day. That temp pattern sure seems adrenal related. What about your thyroid? Temps that low could be hypothyroidism, too. > Just thought I'd let y'all know what happened with my HC experience. > Now that I've reported the trend, something will almost certainly > shift... Well, I'm glad you can now tolerate it. I hope you can find a way to make it do more of what you want. Are you still taking lots of adrenal supplements too? If so, are you planning to stay on those or phase them out? W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 > > I am now taking 15 mg HC - one dose in morning. Do you have relatively steady energy throughout the day? I'm guessing you tried dividing the dose and it didn't work as well? >I'm a lot sleepier now than > I was before, which I suppose is a good thing since I was not > sleeping much before starting it. Maybe the effects will be clearer when your sleep deficit has been addressed more fully. I was just noticing, as I try to reduce my HC dosage, that I'm getting tired again especially on round but still holding on to sleeping well. Maybe you're not going to feel the lift until your dosage is a little higher? >My morning temp is usually in the low 97s, and then it > bounces around with no pattern - as low as 95.6 and as high as 98. > No wonder my gut is such a disaster area. Thanks for the reminder to do this. My temps are whacked out too. What's the gut connection? Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 > > > > I am now taking 15 mg HC - one dose in morning. > Is there some reason you take it all at once? recommended working up to 15-20 mg or possibly 25 mg in morning only. I can't remember why she wanted to do it this way, actually - but it makes sense to me that if cortisol is going up at night (which it clearly was), then coercing the curve to have a morning spike makes a lot of sense. > > I still don't get the effect others have described. It doesn't give > > me a " boost " as as far as I can tell. I'm a lot sleepier now than > > I was before, which I suppose is a good thing since I was not > > sleeping much before starting it. > > Are you sleepy at bedtime or all day? I thought cortisol and > melatonin each kind of suppressed the other. Sleepiness is not what I > would anticipate. I'm appropriately sleepy at night. The daytime sleepiness comes and goes, sort of pleasant as long as it doesn't interfere with anything. I am still resistant to allowing the sleepiness to take over. I started this from being hyper and not sleeping, so it seems a desirable change. I think ashwagandha did this somewhat, too. Made me feel appropriately sleepy (I should be very tired and sleepy given all the screwy stuff going on in my body). I have not had an appropriate balance between rest and activity since I was a kid. I suppose being hyper is an addiction I've developed, since it supports the illusion that everything is perfect and nothing is wrong with me. I have always tended to view the problem as being that I am not hyper constantly. I know that's not true. > > I can only think of one episode > > of really uncomfortable anxiety in the past week and I've slept 6-8 > > hours per night for a full week, too - a full week means it is a real > > trend, I'd say, not just a fluky variation. Hot flashes are fewer > > and less hot. > > That all sounds good. > > > Overall, I'm pretty dulled out. Just what I needed. Sigh. > > > > I have been taking temps in the past week. I didn't realize how bad > > they are. My morning temp is usually in the low 97s, and then it > > bounces around with no pattern - as low as 95.6 and as high as 98. > > No wonder my gut is such a disaster area. > > You might think of taking 20 mg and split the dose up more during the > day. That temp pattern sure seems adrenal related. What about your > thyroid? Temps that low could be hypothyroidism, too. I certainly need thyroid, too. I was curious whether the temps would stabilize on just HC. Not so far, obviously. I've had low temp issues since childhood, although this has probably varied over the years. I know when I was on oral contraceptive for several months, my temps went up (and my mood was very bad). Strangely I seem to feel better when my temp is lower. I'm not sure if that means anything. Part of the reason I finally decided to try HC is because I think (or any reasonable prescriber) will be a lot more comfortable giving me T3 with some HC in place. She is not the first person who has told me that taking T3 is going to be a challenge. I have a feeling adrenal support is going to be important. > > Just thought I'd let y'all know what happened wit my HC experience. > > Now that I've reported the trend, something will almost certainly > > shift... > > Well, I'm glad you can now tolerate it. I hope you can find a way to > make it do more of what you want. What I want and what I need are sometimes two different things. I think I did get these goals more aligned a year ago, but when I went off the adrenal support before it was so easy to allow the hyped up thing to take over again. > Are you still taking lots of adrenal supplements too? If so, are you > planning to stay on those or phase them out? I wanted to see how HC would be alone, so the only other thing I am taking right now is Cytozyme-AD - I feel it is a good thing in terms of healing, but I don't actually feel anything from it, good or bad. suggested I could take some ashwagandha as well, and I will probably add that at some point. I have managed to work up progesterone cream to about 1/8 t. (not clear to me if this is adrenal supportive, but some would say so). I might try some DHEA again at some point - but will start with a tiny amount like I did with HC and progesterone. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 > > > > I am now taking 15 mg HC - one dose in morning. > Is there some reason you take it all at once? recommended working up to 15-20 mg or possibly 25 mg in morning only. I can't remember why she wanted to do it this way, actually - but it makes sense to me that if cortisol is going up at night (which it clearly was), then coercing the curve to have a morning spike makes a lot of sense. > > I still don't get the effect others have described. It doesn't give > > me a " boost " as as far as I can tell. I'm a lot sleepier now than > > I was before, which I suppose is a good thing since I was not > > sleeping much before starting it. > > Are you sleepy at bedtime or all day? I thought cortisol and > melatonin each kind of suppressed the other. Sleepiness is not what I > would anticipate. I'm appropriately sleepy at night. The daytime sleepiness comes and goes, sort of pleasant as long as it doesn't interfere with anything. I am still resistant to allowing the sleepiness to take over. I started this from being hyper and not sleeping, so it seems a desirable change. I think ashwagandha did this somewhat, too. Made me feel appropriately sleepy (I should be very tired and sleepy given all the screwy stuff going on in my body). I have not had an appropriate balance between rest and activity since I was a kid. I suppose being hyper is an addiction I've developed, since it supports the illusion that everything is perfect and nothing is wrong with me. I have always tended to view the problem as being that I am not hyper constantly. I know that's not true. > > I can only think of one episode > > of really uncomfortable anxiety in the past week and I've slept 6-8 > > hours per night for a full week, too - a full week means it is a real > > trend, I'd say, not just a fluky variation. Hot flashes are fewer > > and less hot. > > That all sounds good. > > > Overall, I'm pretty dulled out. Just what I needed. Sigh. > > > > I have been taking temps in the past week. I didn't realize how bad > > they are. My morning temp is usually in the low 97s, and then it > > bounces around with no pattern - as low as 95.6 and as high as 98. > > No wonder my gut is such a disaster area. > > You might think of taking 20 mg and split the dose up more during the > day. That temp pattern sure seems adrenal related. What about your > thyroid? Temps that low could be hypothyroidism, too. I certainly need thyroid, too. I was curious whether the temps would stabilize on just HC. Not so far, obviously. I've had low temp issues since childhood, although this has probably varied over the years. I know when I was on oral contraceptive for several months, my temps went up (and my mood was very bad). Strangely I seem to feel better when my temp is lower. I'm not sure if that means anything. Part of the reason I finally decided to try HC is because I think (or any reasonable prescriber) will be a lot more comfortable giving me T3 with some HC in place. She is not the first person who has told me that taking T3 is going to be a challenge. I have a feeling adrenal support is going to be important. > > Just thought I'd let y'all know what happened wit my HC experience. > > Now that I've reported the trend, something will almost certainly > > shift... > > Well, I'm glad you can now tolerate it. I hope you can find a way to > make it do more of what you want. What I want and what I need are sometimes two different things. I think I did get these goals more aligned a year ago, but when I went off the adrenal support before it was so easy to allow the hyped up thing to take over again. > Are you still taking lots of adrenal supplements too? If so, are you > planning to stay on those or phase them out? I wanted to see how HC would be alone, so the only other thing I am taking right now is Cytozyme-AD - I feel it is a good thing in terms of healing, but I don't actually feel anything from it, good or bad. suggested I could take some ashwagandha as well, and I will probably add that at some point. I have managed to work up progesterone cream to about 1/8 t. (not clear to me if this is adrenal supportive, but some would say so). I might try some DHEA again at some point - but will start with a tiny amount like I did with HC and progesterone. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 > > > > I am now taking 15 mg HC - one dose in morning. > Is there some reason you take it all at once? recommended working up to 15-20 mg or possibly 25 mg in morning only. I can't remember why she wanted to do it this way, actually - but it makes sense to me that if cortisol is going up at night (which it clearly was), then coercing the curve to have a morning spike makes a lot of sense. > > I still don't get the effect others have described. It doesn't give > > me a " boost " as as far as I can tell. I'm a lot sleepier now than > > I was before, which I suppose is a good thing since I was not > > sleeping much before starting it. > > Are you sleepy at bedtime or all day? I thought cortisol and > melatonin each kind of suppressed the other. Sleepiness is not what I > would anticipate. I'm appropriately sleepy at night. The daytime sleepiness comes and goes, sort of pleasant as long as it doesn't interfere with anything. I am still resistant to allowing the sleepiness to take over. I started this from being hyper and not sleeping, so it seems a desirable change. I think ashwagandha did this somewhat, too. Made me feel appropriately sleepy (I should be very tired and sleepy given all the screwy stuff going on in my body). I have not had an appropriate balance between rest and activity since I was a kid. I suppose being hyper is an addiction I've developed, since it supports the illusion that everything is perfect and nothing is wrong with me. I have always tended to view the problem as being that I am not hyper constantly. I know that's not true. > > I can only think of one episode > > of really uncomfortable anxiety in the past week and I've slept 6-8 > > hours per night for a full week, too - a full week means it is a real > > trend, I'd say, not just a fluky variation. Hot flashes are fewer > > and less hot. > > That all sounds good. > > > Overall, I'm pretty dulled out. Just what I needed. Sigh. > > > > I have been taking temps in the past week. I didn't realize how bad > > they are. My morning temp is usually in the low 97s, and then it > > bounces around with no pattern - as low as 95.6 and as high as 98. > > No wonder my gut is such a disaster area. > > You might think of taking 20 mg and split the dose up more during the > day. That temp pattern sure seems adrenal related. What about your > thyroid? Temps that low could be hypothyroidism, too. I certainly need thyroid, too. I was curious whether the temps would stabilize on just HC. Not so far, obviously. I've had low temp issues since childhood, although this has probably varied over the years. I know when I was on oral contraceptive for several months, my temps went up (and my mood was very bad). Strangely I seem to feel better when my temp is lower. I'm not sure if that means anything. Part of the reason I finally decided to try HC is because I think (or any reasonable prescriber) will be a lot more comfortable giving me T3 with some HC in place. She is not the first person who has told me that taking T3 is going to be a challenge. I have a feeling adrenal support is going to be important. > > Just thought I'd let y'all know what happened wit my HC experience. > > Now that I've reported the trend, something will almost certainly > > shift... > > Well, I'm glad you can now tolerate it. I hope you can find a way to > make it do more of what you want. What I want and what I need are sometimes two different things. I think I did get these goals more aligned a year ago, but when I went off the adrenal support before it was so easy to allow the hyped up thing to take over again. > Are you still taking lots of adrenal supplements too? If so, are you > planning to stay on those or phase them out? I wanted to see how HC would be alone, so the only other thing I am taking right now is Cytozyme-AD - I feel it is a good thing in terms of healing, but I don't actually feel anything from it, good or bad. suggested I could take some ashwagandha as well, and I will probably add that at some point. I have managed to work up progesterone cream to about 1/8 t. (not clear to me if this is adrenal supportive, but some would say so). I might try some DHEA again at some point - but will start with a tiny amount like I did with HC and progesterone. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 > > > > I am now taking 15 mg HC - one dose in morning. > > Do you have relatively steady energy throughout the day? I'm guessing > you tried dividing the dose and it didn't work as well? Nope - see my reply to . Maybe I will try this at some point. I like to experiment, but I like to have some notion in my head about why I'm doing it. My biggest notion right now is about coercing my cortisol to a high point early in the day. I clearly have the ability to make cortisol. I think that ability was somewhat compromised back in 2005 when I was first learning about this - so the morning dosing maybe wouldn't have been a good idea then. I believe the amount of adrenal support I did last year healed my adrenals enough so they can make cortisol better. Now my problem is mostly regulation (at least that is how it seems based on symptoms), so messing with the curve, and with cortisol response, is what I need to do. I could be totally wrong about all this. > >I'm a lot sleepier now than > > I was before, which I suppose is a good thing since I was not > > sleeping much before starting it. > > Maybe the effects will be clearer when your sleep deficit has been > addressed more fully. I was just noticing, as I try to reduce my HC > dosage, that I'm getting tired again especially on round but still > holding on to sleeping well. Maybe you're not going to feel the lift > until your dosage is a little higher? seemed to think I would need to catch up on sleep now that I am up to a meaningful dose. So far I am not actually sleeping more than my previous " normal " (6-8 hours at night and maybe 1/2 hour nap during the day), but this is so much improved... I think I should try to allow myself to sleep more. But I hate to sleep when there's so much stuff to think about > >My morning temp is usually in the low 97s, and then it > > bounces around with no pattern - as low as 95.6 and as high as 98. > > No wonder my gut is such a disaster area. > > Thanks for the reminder to do this. My temps are whacked out too. > What's the gut connection? It seems to me that the colder body temps will allow pathogens to get out of hand. Can't remember where I'm getting this. Certainly fever helps to fight viruses and bacteria. When I was little, I often had low temps when I was really sick - my pediatrician didn't like it. I can tell you for sure that warm castor oil packs are very important for managing my gut issues. And a warm bath or any kind of exercise that warms up my body definitely starts my immune system working, judging from symptoms. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 > > > > I am now taking 15 mg HC - one dose in morning. > > Do you have relatively steady energy throughout the day? I'm guessing > you tried dividing the dose and it didn't work as well? Nope - see my reply to . Maybe I will try this at some point. I like to experiment, but I like to have some notion in my head about why I'm doing it. My biggest notion right now is about coercing my cortisol to a high point early in the day. I clearly have the ability to make cortisol. I think that ability was somewhat compromised back in 2005 when I was first learning about this - so the morning dosing maybe wouldn't have been a good idea then. I believe the amount of adrenal support I did last year healed my adrenals enough so they can make cortisol better. Now my problem is mostly regulation (at least that is how it seems based on symptoms), so messing with the curve, and with cortisol response, is what I need to do. I could be totally wrong about all this. > >I'm a lot sleepier now than > > I was before, which I suppose is a good thing since I was not > > sleeping much before starting it. > > Maybe the effects will be clearer when your sleep deficit has been > addressed more fully. I was just noticing, as I try to reduce my HC > dosage, that I'm getting tired again especially on round but still > holding on to sleeping well. Maybe you're not going to feel the lift > until your dosage is a little higher? seemed to think I would need to catch up on sleep now that I am up to a meaningful dose. So far I am not actually sleeping more than my previous " normal " (6-8 hours at night and maybe 1/2 hour nap during the day), but this is so much improved... I think I should try to allow myself to sleep more. But I hate to sleep when there's so much stuff to think about > >My morning temp is usually in the low 97s, and then it > > bounces around with no pattern - as low as 95.6 and as high as 98. > > No wonder my gut is such a disaster area. > > Thanks for the reminder to do this. My temps are whacked out too. > What's the gut connection? It seems to me that the colder body temps will allow pathogens to get out of hand. Can't remember where I'm getting this. Certainly fever helps to fight viruses and bacteria. When I was little, I often had low temps when I was really sick - my pediatrician didn't like it. I can tell you for sure that warm castor oil packs are very important for managing my gut issues. And a warm bath or any kind of exercise that warms up my body definitely starts my immune system working, judging from symptoms. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 > > > > I am now taking 15 mg HC - one dose in morning. > > Do you have relatively steady energy throughout the day? I'm guessing > you tried dividing the dose and it didn't work as well? Nope - see my reply to . Maybe I will try this at some point. I like to experiment, but I like to have some notion in my head about why I'm doing it. My biggest notion right now is about coercing my cortisol to a high point early in the day. I clearly have the ability to make cortisol. I think that ability was somewhat compromised back in 2005 when I was first learning about this - so the morning dosing maybe wouldn't have been a good idea then. I believe the amount of adrenal support I did last year healed my adrenals enough so they can make cortisol better. Now my problem is mostly regulation (at least that is how it seems based on symptoms), so messing with the curve, and with cortisol response, is what I need to do. I could be totally wrong about all this. > >I'm a lot sleepier now than > > I was before, which I suppose is a good thing since I was not > > sleeping much before starting it. > > Maybe the effects will be clearer when your sleep deficit has been > addressed more fully. I was just noticing, as I try to reduce my HC > dosage, that I'm getting tired again especially on round but still > holding on to sleeping well. Maybe you're not going to feel the lift > until your dosage is a little higher? seemed to think I would need to catch up on sleep now that I am up to a meaningful dose. So far I am not actually sleeping more than my previous " normal " (6-8 hours at night and maybe 1/2 hour nap during the day), but this is so much improved... I think I should try to allow myself to sleep more. But I hate to sleep when there's so much stuff to think about > >My morning temp is usually in the low 97s, and then it > > bounces around with no pattern - as low as 95.6 and as high as 98. > > No wonder my gut is such a disaster area. > > Thanks for the reminder to do this. My temps are whacked out too. > What's the gut connection? It seems to me that the colder body temps will allow pathogens to get out of hand. Can't remember where I'm getting this. Certainly fever helps to fight viruses and bacteria. When I was little, I often had low temps when I was really sick - my pediatrician didn't like it. I can tell you for sure that warm castor oil packs are very important for managing my gut issues. And a warm bath or any kind of exercise that warms up my body definitely starts my immune system working, judging from symptoms. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 , I think you might find the Iodine group interesting, as well as this one: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HormonesandHealth-Naturally/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine/ in Illinois, who thinks the hormone stuff is reallllllly confusing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 , I think you might find the Iodine group interesting, as well as this one: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HormonesandHealth-Naturally/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine/ in Illinois, who thinks the hormone stuff is reallllllly confusing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 , I think you might find the Iodine group interesting, as well as this one: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HormonesandHealth-Naturally/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine/ in Illinois, who thinks the hormone stuff is reallllllly confusing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 > > But I hate to sleep > when there's so much stuff to think about > lol, I know just what you mean. I've just been noticing that I'm much more mentally relaxed than I used to be, much more able to let my thoughts drift, say, while I'm taking a walk or washing the dishes, instead of hyperfocusing on something. I think it's a chelation effect. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 > > , I think you might find the Iodine group interesting, as well as this one: > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HormonesandHealth-Naturally/ That is an interesting crowd. > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine/ I've been meaning to join this one, too. Needed another nudge. Thanks for pointing me to these groups. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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