Re: New Labs / iron results

[Guest guest]

Here's a link to a good " what might my iron results mean? " table:

http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/tibc/test.html#what

If I had any iron results show up " out of range " , I'd have my b12 and folic

acid checked as well.

>

> I just got new lab results Have been on HC/T3 since December. Curious as to

why the Iron Saturation is high. The last blood work, it was 18.

> Could it be time to start weaning off HC, and/or should I increase the Erfa? I

have no Thyroid function.

>

> Current labs:

> Free T4 - .42 LOW (.82-1.77)

> TSH - .008 LOW (.450-4.500)

> Reverse T3 - 63 Low (90-350)

> Free T3 - 5.6 High (2.0-4.4)

>

> Vit D 56.1 (32-100)

> Ferritin, 92 (13-150)

> Magnesium RBC 6.1 (4.2-6.8)

>

> Iron Bind Cap 241 LOW (250-450)

> UIBC 73 LOW (150-375)

> Iron, Serum HIGH 168 (35-155)

> Iron Saturation 70 HIGH (15-55)

>

> Previous Thyroid Labs 3/10

> Free T4 - .73 LOW (.82-1.77)

> TSH 3.170

> Reverse T3 - 120 (90-350)

> Free T3 -3.2 (2.0-4.4)

>

> Currently on 1 grain Erfa, 62mcg Cytomel, 20mg HC.

>

> Temps are consistently 98.5, no Hyper symptoms. Also have noticed, it seems my

goiters have decreased in size.

>

[Guest guest]

Here's a link to a good " what might my iron results mean? " table:

http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/tibc/test.html#what

If I had any iron results show up " out of range " , I'd have my b12 and folic

acid checked as well.

>

> I just got new lab results Have been on HC/T3 since December. Curious as to

why the Iron Saturation is high. The last blood work, it was 18.

> Could it be time to start weaning off HC, and/or should I increase the Erfa? I

have no Thyroid function.

>

> Current labs:

> Free T4 - .42 LOW (.82-1.77)

> TSH - .008 LOW (.450-4.500)

> Reverse T3 - 63 Low (90-350)

> Free T3 - 5.6 High (2.0-4.4)

>

> Vit D 56.1 (32-100)

> Ferritin, 92 (13-150)

> Magnesium RBC 6.1 (4.2-6.8)

>

> Iron Bind Cap 241 LOW (250-450)

> UIBC 73 LOW (150-375)

> Iron, Serum HIGH 168 (35-155)

> Iron Saturation 70 HIGH (15-55)

>

> Previous Thyroid Labs 3/10

> Free T4 - .73 LOW (.82-1.77)

> TSH 3.170

> Reverse T3 - 120 (90-350)

> Free T3 -3.2 (2.0-4.4)

>

> Currently on 1 grain Erfa, 62mcg Cytomel, 20mg HC.

>

> Temps are consistently 98.5, no Hyper symptoms. Also have noticed, it seems my

goiters have decreased in size.

>

[Guest guest]

Here's a link to a good " what might my iron results mean? " table:

http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/tibc/test.html#what

If I had any iron results show up " out of range " , I'd have my b12 and folic

acid checked as well.

>

> I just got new lab results Have been on HC/T3 since December. Curious as to

why the Iron Saturation is high. The last blood work, it was 18.

> Could it be time to start weaning off HC, and/or should I increase the Erfa? I

have no Thyroid function.

>

> Current labs:

> Free T4 - .42 LOW (.82-1.77)

> TSH - .008 LOW (.450-4.500)

> Reverse T3 - 63 Low (90-350)

> Free T3 - 5.6 High (2.0-4.4)

>

> Vit D 56.1 (32-100)

> Ferritin, 92 (13-150)

> Magnesium RBC 6.1 (4.2-6.8)

>

> Iron Bind Cap 241 LOW (250-450)

> UIBC 73 LOW (150-375)

> Iron, Serum HIGH 168 (35-155)

> Iron Saturation 70 HIGH (15-55)

>

> Previous Thyroid Labs 3/10

> Free T4 - .73 LOW (.82-1.77)

> TSH 3.170

> Reverse T3 - 120 (90-350)

> Free T3 -3.2 (2.0-4.4)

>

> Currently on 1 grain Erfa, 62mcg Cytomel, 20mg HC.

>

> Temps are consistently 98.5, no Hyper symptoms. Also have noticed, it seems my

goiters have decreased in size.

>

[Guest guest]

I had both B12 and Folic acid with the same test:

B12 844 (211-946)

Folate(Folic Acid), Serum 12.9 (>3.0

> >

> > I just got new lab results Have been on HC/T3 since December. Curious as to

why the Iron Saturation is high. The last blood work, it was 18.

> > Could it be time to start weaning off HC, and/or should I increase the Erfa?

I have no Thyroid function.

> >

> > Current labs:

> > Free T4 - .42 LOW (.82-1.77)

> > TSH - .008 LOW (.450-4.500)

> > Reverse T3 - 63 Low (90-350)

> > Free T3 - 5.6 High (2.0-4.4)

> >

> > Vit D 56.1 (32-100)

> > Ferritin, 92 (13-150)

> > Magnesium RBC 6.1 (4.2-6.8)

> >

> > Iron Bind Cap 241 LOW (250-450)

> > UIBC 73 LOW (150-375)

> > Iron, Serum HIGH 168 (35-155)

> > Iron Saturation 70 HIGH (15-55)

> >

> > Previous Thyroid Labs 3/10

> > Free T4 - .73 LOW (.82-1.77)

> > TSH 3.170

> > Reverse T3 - 120 (90-350)

> > Free T3 -3.2 (2.0-4.4)

> >

> > Currently on 1 grain Erfa, 62mcg Cytomel, 20mg HC.

> >

> > Temps are consistently 98.5, no Hyper symptoms. Also have noticed, it seems

my goiters have decreased in size.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Nothing jumps out at me in the B12 or folic acid tests. I do have to say that

if I had the iron labs you did, I would re-check them and if still out of range,

look further into this, possibly with a hematologist.

> > Iron Bind Cap 241 LOW (250-450)

> > UIBC 73 LOW (150-375)

> > Iron, Serum HIGH 168 (35-155)

> > Iron Saturation 70 HIGH (15-55)

> > >

> > > I just got new lab results Have been on HC/T3 since December. Curious as

to why the Iron Saturation is high. The last blood work, it was 18.

> > > Could it be time to start weaning off HC, and/or should I increase the

Erfa? I have no Thyroid function.

> > >

> > > Current labs:

> > > Free T4 - .42 LOW (.82-1.77)

> > > TSH - .008 LOW (.450-4.500)

> > > Reverse T3 - 63 Low (90-350)

> > > Free T3 - 5.6 High (2.0-4.4)

> > >

> > > Vit D 56.1 (32-100)

> > > Ferritin, 92 (13-150)

> > > Magnesium RBC 6.1 (4.2-6.8)

> > >

> > > Iron Bind Cap 241 LOW (250-450)

> > > UIBC 73 LOW (150-375)

> > > Iron, Serum HIGH 168 (35-155)

> > > Iron Saturation 70 HIGH (15-55)

> > >

> > > Previous Thyroid Labs 3/10

> > > Free T4 - .73 LOW (.82-1.77)

> > > TSH 3.170

> > > Reverse T3 - 120 (90-350)

> > > Free T3 -3.2 (2.0-4.4)

> > >

> > > Currently on 1 grain Erfa, 62mcg Cytomel, 20mg HC.

> > >

> > > Temps are consistently 98.5, no Hyper symptoms. Also have noticed, it

seems my goiters have decreased in size.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I will get the iron rechecked.

My bigger question was regarding the Thyroid panel - I'm starting to feel good

and wanted the groups opinion. Is it time to start decreasing the HC? Is there a

concern with the low T4?

> > > >

> > > > I just got new lab results Have been on HC/T3 since December. Curious as

to why the Iron Saturation is high. The last blood work, it was 18.

> > > > Could it be time to start weaning off HC, and/or should I increase the

Erfa? I have no Thyroid function.

> > > >

> > > > Current labs:

> > > > Free T4 - .42 LOW (.82-1.77)

> > > > TSH - .008 LOW (.450-4.500)

> > > > Reverse T3 - 63 Low (90-350)

> > > > Free T3 - 5.6 High (2.0-4.4)

> > > >

> > > > Vit D 56.1 (32-100)

> > > > Ferritin, 92 (13-150)

> > > > Magnesium RBC 6.1 (4.2-6.8)

> > > >

> > > > Iron Bind Cap 241 LOW (250-450)

> > > > UIBC 73 LOW (150-375)

> > > > Iron, Serum HIGH 168 (35-155)

> > > > Iron Saturation 70 HIGH (15-55)

> > > >

> > > > Previous Thyroid Labs 3/10

> > > > Free T4 - .73 LOW (.82-1.77)

> > > > TSH 3.170

> > > > Reverse T3 - 120 (90-350)

> > > > Free T3 -3.2 (2.0-4.4)

> > > >

> > > > Currently on 1 grain Erfa, 62mcg Cytomel, 20mg HC.

> > > >

> > > > Temps are consistently 98.5, no Hyper symptoms. Also have noticed, it

seems my goiters have decreased in size.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi is, saw your mention of iron labs, you may have seen it already, but

here's a table about interpreting iron results

http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/tibc/test.html#what

I hope you are addressing your low b12, it's so important. I take 10,000

mcg/day sublingual methylcobalamin. A few have written in recently that methyl

injections worked better for them than the sublingual.

Also saw your question about b12, but we just had a thread going about b12

tissue deficiency, here's a link:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/43662

You may have seen all this info already, but I thought I'd post it all together

here just in case not.

Hope this helps.

> >

> > I will get the iron rechecked.

> >

> > My bigger question was regarding the Thyroid panel - I'm starting to feel

good and wanted the groups opinion. Is it time to start decreasing the HC? Is

there a concern with the low T4?

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

hi margary, sorry i couldnt reply sooner, but thank you sooo much for your

response, the whole b12 topic has been incredibly helpful to me, i would say a

lifesaver actually.

i am actually still waiting on my new iron labs to come in, but i had gone

through that thread on B12... and lowcarbcrystal mentioned that she feels her

thyroid was pooling due to low b12, and i really feel now that has been my

issue.

" I hope you are addressing your low b12, it's so important. I take 10,000

mcg/day sublingual methylcobalamin. A few have written in recently that methyl

injections worked better for them than the sublingual " ..... you couldnt be more

correct! i had methyl in the sublingual form that my doctor had given me, and

he said take 2 a day... at 1mg each... thats only 2000mcg a day...well, then i

ran out, and i switched to cynocobalamin from walmart (crap), but never really

thought it would prevent the utilization of thyroid.

turns out my low b12 symptoms started getting really bad... hair falling out,

tingling and numbness in my left had, dry skin, depression, mood swing, fatigue,

sleepnessness.... now these are muddy symptoms in the face of having hypothyroid

symptoms... esp bc im sure my t3 was not able to be utilized efficiently.

well, based on lowcarbcrystals post of upping her dose to upwards of 15,000mcg

for a few days and having a thyroid dump, i took about 10,000mcg yesterday of

methyl subl.... and the difference i feel is amAZing.... tingling and numbness

gone, and i was able to go toa higher dose of t3, that i had been needing to do,

with the feeling that it was actually being utilized properly

amazing.

and this makes sense to me now if i understand it correctly, in that if B12 is

absolutely necessary for the synthesis of energy, as well as some other

metobolic activities... and if thyroid is also used to synthesize energy...

well,if we are low in B12, then these processes are held up and therefore the

thyroid cant do everything its needed for, and we get pooling and lingering

clinical symptoms of hypoT??

and also, just touching on B12 deficiency at the tissue level, if one actually

has problematic b12 cell receptors, preventing the transcobolamin from actually

entering the cells to do their work, what can be done to fix the problem and

correct tissue deficiency of b12?

my dad lacts the intrinsic factor, and so i'm sure my sis and i mustve inherited

this trait. we both have low b12, normal folic acid, low RBC counts, and high

bilirubin, both were jaundice as babies... this screams pernicious anemia....

as for the iron poisoning, i will wait to see what my new labs say, but i really

have no idea what the impacts of iron poisoning is and what to do about it.

if it is giving blood, would that not be bad to do when one already has a low

RBC count and low serum levels (and therefore storage levels in liver) of B12??

i really had no idea how integral b12 is.....thanks margary!

[Guest guest]

hi margary, sorry i couldnt reply sooner, but thank you sooo much for your

response, the whole b12 topic has been incredibly helpful to me, i would say a

lifesaver actually.

i am actually still waiting on my new iron labs to come in, but i had gone

through that thread on B12... and lowcarbcrystal mentioned that she feels her

thyroid was pooling due to low b12, and i really feel now that has been my

issue.

" I hope you are addressing your low b12, it's so important. I take 10,000

mcg/day sublingual methylcobalamin. A few have written in recently that methyl

injections worked better for them than the sublingual " ..... you couldnt be more

correct! i had methyl in the sublingual form that my doctor had given me, and

he said take 2 a day... at 1mg each... thats only 2000mcg a day...well, then i

ran out, and i switched to cynocobalamin from walmart (crap), but never really

thought it would prevent the utilization of thyroid.

turns out my low b12 symptoms started getting really bad... hair falling out,

tingling and numbness in my left had, dry skin, depression, mood swing, fatigue,

sleepnessness.... now these are muddy symptoms in the face of having hypothyroid

symptoms... esp bc im sure my t3 was not able to be utilized efficiently.

well, based on lowcarbcrystals post of upping her dose to upwards of 15,000mcg

for a few days and having a thyroid dump, i took about 10,000mcg yesterday of

methyl subl.... and the difference i feel is amAZing.... tingling and numbness

gone, and i was able to go toa higher dose of t3, that i had been needing to do,

with the feeling that it was actually being utilized properly

amazing.

and this makes sense to me now if i understand it correctly, in that if B12 is

absolutely necessary for the synthesis of energy, as well as some other

metobolic activities... and if thyroid is also used to synthesize energy...

well,if we are low in B12, then these processes are held up and therefore the

thyroid cant do everything its needed for, and we get pooling and lingering

clinical symptoms of hypoT??

and also, just touching on B12 deficiency at the tissue level, if one actually

has problematic b12 cell receptors, preventing the transcobolamin from actually

entering the cells to do their work, what can be done to fix the problem and

correct tissue deficiency of b12?

my dad lacts the intrinsic factor, and so i'm sure my sis and i mustve inherited

this trait. we both have low b12, normal folic acid, low RBC counts, and high

bilirubin, both were jaundice as babies... this screams pernicious anemia....

as for the iron poisoning, i will wait to see what my new labs say, but i really

have no idea what the impacts of iron poisoning is and what to do about it.

if it is giving blood, would that not be bad to do when one already has a low

RBC count and low serum levels (and therefore storage levels in liver) of B12??

i really had no idea how integral b12 is.....thanks margary!

[Guest guest]

So glad you're feeling better. The methylcobalamin is particularly good for the

tingling/numbness, as you have found. I have always needed TONS of the

sublingual b12, 10,000 mcg/day (I also lack intrinsic factor).

I don't have info on correcting b12 tissue deficiency, but if your symptoms have

improved so much by increasing your B12 dose, it makes sense that tissue

deficiency, if present, is already being corrected by the dose increase.

Iron poisoning is often treated by donating blood, I don't know if or how a low

RBC would affect treatment. Here's a post from Val on the iron poisoning

subject:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/37059

>

>

>

> hi margary, sorry i couldnt reply sooner, but thank you sooo much for your

response, the whole b12 topic has been incredibly helpful to me, i would say a

lifesaver actually.

> i am actually still waiting on my new iron labs to come in, but i had gone

through that thread on B12... and lowcarbcrystal mentioned that she feels her

thyroid was pooling due to low b12, and i really feel now that has been my

issue.

> " I hope you are addressing your low b12, it's so important. I take 10,000

mcg/day sublingual methylcobalamin. A few have written in recently that methyl

injections worked better for them than the sublingual " ..... you couldnt be more

correct! i had methyl in the sublingual form that my doctor had given me, and

he said take 2 a day... at 1mg each... thats only 2000mcg a day...well, then i

ran out, and i switched to cynocobalamin from walmart (crap), but never really

thought it would prevent the utilization of thyroid.

> turns out my low b12 symptoms started getting really bad... hair falling out,

tingling and numbness in my left had, dry skin, depression, mood swing, fatigue,

sleepnessness.... now these are muddy symptoms in the face of having hypothyroid

symptoms... esp bc im sure my t3 was not able to be utilized efficiently.

> well, based on lowcarbcrystals post of upping her dose to upwards of 15,000mcg

for a few days and having a thyroid dump, i took about 10,000mcg yesterday of

methyl subl.... and the difference i feel is amAZing.... tingling and numbness

gone, and i was able to go toa higher dose of t3, that i had been needing to do,

with the feeling that it was actually being utilized properly

> amazing.

> and this makes sense to me now if i understand it correctly, in that if B12 is

absolutely necessary for the synthesis of energy, as well as some other

metobolic activities... and if thyroid is also used to synthesize energy...

well,if we are low in B12, then these processes are held up and therefore the

thyroid cant do everything its needed for, and we get pooling and lingering

clinical symptoms of hypoT??

> and also, just touching on B12 deficiency at the tissue level, if one actually

has problematic b12 cell receptors, preventing the transcobolamin from actually

entering the cells to do their work, what can be done to fix the problem and

correct tissue deficiency of b12?

>

> my dad lacts the intrinsic factor, and so i'm sure my sis and i mustve

inherited this trait. we both have low b12, normal folic acid, low RBC counts,

and high bilirubin, both were jaundice as babies... this screams pernicious

anemia....

> as for the iron poisoning, i will wait to see what my new labs say, but i

really have no idea what the impacts of iron poisoning is and what to do about

it.

> if it is giving blood, would that not be bad to do when one already has a low

RBC count and low serum levels (and therefore storage levels in liver) of B12??

>

>

> i really had no idea how integral b12 is.....thanks margary!

>

[Guest guest]

thanks margary...

so i just got the results of my new iron labs....6/11

TIBC 282 (250-450)

UIBC 207 (150-375)

iron, serum 75 (35-155)

iron saturation 27 (15-55)

so, these are way different than my previous iron labs....5/20

TIBC 300 (250-450)

UIBC 26 (150-375)

iron, serum 274 (35-155)

iron saturation 91 (15-55)

i'm not sure how to interpret these new iron labs....and why they are so vastly

different... i had stopped supplementing (was doing 200mg/day) after the first

results.

are they low? so would i need to start supplementing iron again, but with

lactoferrin for better utilization?

or are they optimal?

not sure what to think.

i am going to order and pay for a new iron panel for my sister, because she had

the same high (iron poisoning) results from me, and i want her to be sure....

> >

> >

> >

> > hi margary, sorry i couldnt reply sooner, but thank you sooo much for your

response, the whole b12 topic has been incredibly helpful to me, i would say a

lifesaver actually.

> > i am actually still waiting on my new iron labs to come in, but i had gone

through that thread on B12... and lowcarbcrystal mentioned that she feels her

thyroid was pooling due to low b12, and i really feel now that has been my

issue.

> > " I hope you are addressing your low b12, it's so important. I take 10,000

mcg/day sublingual methylcobalamin. A few have written in recently that methyl

injections worked better for them than the sublingual " ..... you couldnt be more

correct! i had methyl in the sublingual form that my doctor had given me, and

he said take 2 a day... at 1mg each... thats only 2000mcg a day...well, then i

ran out, and i switched to cynocobalamin from walmart (crap), but never really

thought it would prevent the utilization of thyroid.

> > turns out my low b12 symptoms started getting really bad... hair falling

out, tingling and numbness in my left had, dry skin, depression, mood swing,

fatigue, sleepnessness.... now these are muddy symptoms in the face of having

hypothyroid symptoms... esp bc im sure my t3 was not able to be utilized

efficiently.

> > well, based on lowcarbcrystals post of upping her dose to upwards of

15,000mcg for a few days and having a thyroid dump, i took about 10,000mcg

yesterday of methyl subl.... and the difference i feel is amAZing.... tingling

and numbness gone, and i was able to go toa higher dose of t3, that i had been

needing to do, with the feeling that it was actually being utilized properly

> > amazing.

> > and this makes sense to me now if i understand it correctly, in that if B12

is absolutely necessary for the synthesis of energy, as well as some other

metobolic activities... and if thyroid is also used to synthesize energy...

well,if we are low in B12, then these processes are held up and therefore the

thyroid cant do everything its needed for, and we get pooling and lingering

clinical symptoms of hypoT??

> > and also, just touching on B12 deficiency at the tissue level, if one

actually has problematic b12 cell receptors, preventing the transcobolamin from

actually entering the cells to do their work, what can be done to fix the

problem and correct tissue deficiency of b12?

> >

> > my dad lacts the intrinsic factor, and so i'm sure my sis and i mustve

inherited this trait. we both have low b12, normal folic acid, low RBC counts,

and high bilirubin, both were jaundice as babies... this screams pernicious

anemia....

> > as for the iron poisoning, i will wait to see what my new labs say, but i

really have no idea what the impacts of iron poisoning is and what to do about

it.

> > if it is giving blood, would that not be bad to do when one already has a

low RBC count and low serum levels (and therefore storage levels in liver) of

B12??

> >

> >

> > i really had no idea how integral b12 is.....thanks margary!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

i should specify.... i was off all iron supps for a whole week before taking

this tests and then didnt start back up supplementing.