Re: 1st ALA round went too well - whats up with that?

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>

> Hi,

>

Hi

> After 3 months of chelating with DMSA, gradually increasing the dose, I

> added in ALA and did a 5 day round at 25mg DMSA(decreased from dose

I had

> worked up to) and 25mg ALA, on a 3 hr schedule.

>

> Day one with tha ALA, I felt a bit 'goofy', mentally. From there,

each day I

> felt a little clearer mentally -- it felt like the lights were

beginning to

> switch on in my head. By the last 2 days of the round, I was

actually doing

> some work again, for the first time in 5 months! My work is

intellectually

> demanding and requires a lot of focus and keeping various technical

elements

> in mind, and I have not been able to approach it for 5 months.

> Not saying I was completely 'back', by any means, but it was a

significant

> shift.

>

> Is this positive effect due perhaps to the excellent 'side-effects'

of ALA

> on the brain, mitochondria, enzymes, and all that, or could it

actually have

> something to do with chelation, in so short a time?

>

The ALA will be chelating

> I was kind of scared to end the round, but I did last night,

expecting to

> wake up with a headache at least or some crazy mental symptoms

post-round,

> but so far so good.

>Does this mean I do not have mercury poisoning after

> all?

I went back and looked at your hair test and it looks like mercury

poisoning to me. If you have had symptoms with chelation, then that

confirms toxicity.

Consider yourself lucky. Perhaps you're just not as toxic as some....

we all fall somewhere over a very long continuum.

And before you go running any marathons, consider that the fatigue

still might hit in the next day or so.

I'm hoping that isn't true, actually, because that would mean I have

> lupus or some other condition that chelation won't help, according to my

> blood tests.

>If I do have Hg poisoning, and ALA is so beneficial, I should

> count my lucky stars...

>

Yes, and all your blessings too.

> Any insight would be helpful here... I guess I should try raising my

dose of

> aLA next time?

I wouldn't. Stick with the dose that is working. Side effects can

creep up on you when you least expect them. Remember Charlie just

said that his symptoms mostly come on around the 4th day off round.

>Is this experience/pattern consistent with mercury poisoning?

Yes.

> Does one necessarily need to see negative effects to know one is Hg

> poisoned?

>

If you kept increasing the dose there would be a dose where you would

get side effects. It's better to play it safe and chelate at a pace

where you can keep going rather than scare yourself.

Maybe you're just not as severely toxic/ sensitive/ old as some.

J

> Thanks,

> NJ

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> After 3 months of chelating with DMSA, gradually increasing the dose, I

> added in ALA and did a 5 day round at 25mg DMSA(decreased from dose

I had

> worked up to) and 25mg ALA, on a 3 hr schedule.

>

> Day one with tha ALA, I felt a bit 'goofy', mentally. From there,

each day I

> felt a little clearer mentally -- it felt like the lights were

beginning to

> switch on in my head. By the last 2 days of the round, I was

actually doing

> some work again, for the first time in 5 months! My work is

intellectually

> demanding and requires a lot of focus and keeping various technical

elements

> in mind, and I have not been able to approach it for 5 months.

> Not saying I was completely 'back', by any means, but it was a

significant

> shift.

That's great - I'm glad you had such a nice improvement

> Is this positive effect due perhaps to the excellent 'side-effects'

of ALA

> on the brain, mitochondria, enzymes, and all that, or could it

actually have

> something to do with chelation, in so short a time?

Chelation takes time to do its work. Andy has said ALA has some

specific benefits on brain function with lead poisoning - if lead

is part of your problem that could be the source of your improvement.

ALA also raises plasma cysteine levels. In some people, this may

make them feel better.

I would offer one caution. For me, " feeling better " can sometimes

be a symptom. This may not be the case with you, but just wanted

to mention it.

> I was kind of scared to end the round, but I did last night,

expecting to

> wake up with a headache at least or some crazy mental symptoms

post-round,

> but so far so good. Does this mean I do not have mercury poisoning after

> all? I'm hoping that isn't true, actually, because that would mean I

have

> lupus or some other condition that chelation won't help, according to my

> blood tests. If I do have Hg poisoning, and ALA is so beneficial, I

should

> count my lucky stars...

> Any insight would be helpful here... I guess I should try raising my

dose of

> aLA next time? Is this experience/pattern consistent with mercury

poisoning?

> Does one necessarily need to see negative effects to know one is Hg

> poisoned?

I would not raise the dose until you have done several rounds with

no negatives. Side effects can vary from round to round. Trying to

go too fast is what gets people into trouble. Take care.

--

> Thanks,

> NJ

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> After 3 months of chelating with DMSA, gradually increasing the dose, I

> added in ALA and did a 5 day round at 25mg DMSA(decreased from dose

I had

> worked up to) and 25mg ALA, on a 3 hr schedule.

>

> Day one with tha ALA, I felt a bit 'goofy', mentally. From there,

each day I

> felt a little clearer mentally -- it felt like the lights were

beginning to

> switch on in my head. By the last 2 days of the round, I was

actually doing

> some work again, for the first time in 5 months! My work is

intellectually

> demanding and requires a lot of focus and keeping various technical

elements

> in mind, and I have not been able to approach it for 5 months.

> Not saying I was completely 'back', by any means, but it was a

significant

> shift.

That's great - I'm glad you had such a nice improvement

> Is this positive effect due perhaps to the excellent 'side-effects'

of ALA

> on the brain, mitochondria, enzymes, and all that, or could it

actually have

> something to do with chelation, in so short a time?

Chelation takes time to do its work. Andy has said ALA has some

specific benefits on brain function with lead poisoning - if lead

is part of your problem that could be the source of your improvement.

ALA also raises plasma cysteine levels. In some people, this may

make them feel better.

I would offer one caution. For me, " feeling better " can sometimes

be a symptom. This may not be the case with you, but just wanted

to mention it.

> I was kind of scared to end the round, but I did last night,

expecting to

> wake up with a headache at least or some crazy mental symptoms

post-round,

> but so far so good. Does this mean I do not have mercury poisoning after

> all? I'm hoping that isn't true, actually, because that would mean I

have

> lupus or some other condition that chelation won't help, according to my

> blood tests. If I do have Hg poisoning, and ALA is so beneficial, I

should

> count my lucky stars...

> Any insight would be helpful here... I guess I should try raising my

dose of

> aLA next time? Is this experience/pattern consistent with mercury

poisoning?

> Does one necessarily need to see negative effects to know one is Hg

> poisoned?

I would not raise the dose until you have done several rounds with

no negatives. Side effects can vary from round to round. Trying to

go too fast is what gets people into trouble. Take care.

--

> Thanks,

> NJ

[Guest guest]

Feeling significantly better or significantly worse on ALA are *both*

signs that you are mercury poisoned. The antioxidant/nutritional

effects of ALA are much more subtle.

I found that low dose ALA (25mg or lower) made me feel really good.

Any higher and I'd start to feel bad, though 50mg was " tolerably bad " .

My advice is stick to that dosage which makes you feel good. Remember

speed of removal proceeds logarithmically in chelator dose where as

side effect proceed linearly (or more).

.

" NJ " wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> After 3 months of chelating with DMSA, gradually increasing the dose, I

> added in ALA and did a 5 day round at 25mg DMSA(decreased from dose

I had

> worked up to) and 25mg ALA, on a 3 hr schedule.

>

> Day one with tha ALA, I felt a bit 'goofy', mentally. From there,

each day I

> felt a little clearer mentally -- it felt like the lights were

beginning to

> switch on in my head. By the last 2 days of the round, I was

actually doing

> some work again, for the first time in 5 months! My work is

intellectually

> demanding and requires a lot of focus and keeping various technical

elements

> in mind, and I have not been able to approach it for 5 months.

> Not saying I was completely 'back', by any means, but it was a

significant

> shift.

>

> Is this positive effect due perhaps to the excellent 'side-effects'

of ALA

> on the brain, mitochondria, enzymes, and all that, or could it

actually have

> something to do with chelation, in so short a time?

>

> I was kind of scared to end the round, but I did last night,

expecting to

> wake up with a headache at least or some crazy mental symptoms

post-round,

> but so far so good. Does this mean I do not have mercury poisoning after

> all? I'm hoping that isn't true, actually, because that would mean I

have

> lupus or some other condition that chelation won't help, according to my

> blood tests. If I do have Hg poisoning, and ALA is so beneficial, I

should

> count my lucky stars...

>

> Any insight would be helpful here... I guess I should try raising my

dose of

> aLA next time? Is this experience/pattern consistent with mercury

poisoning?

> Does one necessarily need to see negative effects to know one is Hg

> poisoned?

>

> Thanks,

> NJ

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Feeling significantly better or significantly worse on ALA are *both*

signs that you are mercury poisoned. The antioxidant/nutritional

effects of ALA are much more subtle.

I found that low dose ALA (25mg or lower) made me feel really good.

Any higher and I'd start to feel bad, though 50mg was " tolerably bad " .

My advice is stick to that dosage which makes you feel good. Remember

speed of removal proceeds logarithmically in chelator dose where as

side effect proceed linearly (or more).

.

" NJ " wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> After 3 months of chelating with DMSA, gradually increasing the dose, I

> added in ALA and did a 5 day round at 25mg DMSA(decreased from dose

I had

> worked up to) and 25mg ALA, on a 3 hr schedule.

>

> Day one with tha ALA, I felt a bit 'goofy', mentally. From there,

each day I

> felt a little clearer mentally -- it felt like the lights were

beginning to

> switch on in my head. By the last 2 days of the round, I was

actually doing

> some work again, for the first time in 5 months! My work is

intellectually

> demanding and requires a lot of focus and keeping various technical

elements

> in mind, and I have not been able to approach it for 5 months.

> Not saying I was completely 'back', by any means, but it was a

significant

> shift.

>

> Is this positive effect due perhaps to the excellent 'side-effects'

of ALA

> on the brain, mitochondria, enzymes, and all that, or could it

actually have

> something to do with chelation, in so short a time?

>

> I was kind of scared to end the round, but I did last night,

expecting to

> wake up with a headache at least or some crazy mental symptoms

post-round,

> but so far so good. Does this mean I do not have mercury poisoning after

> all? I'm hoping that isn't true, actually, because that would mean I

have

> lupus or some other condition that chelation won't help, according to my

> blood tests. If I do have Hg poisoning, and ALA is so beneficial, I

should

> count my lucky stars...

>

> Any insight would be helpful here... I guess I should try raising my

dose of

> aLA next time? Is this experience/pattern consistent with mercury

poisoning?

> Does one necessarily need to see negative effects to know one is Hg

> poisoned?

>

> Thanks,

> NJ

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Feeling significantly better or significantly worse on ALA are *both*

signs that you are mercury poisoned. The antioxidant/nutritional

effects of ALA are much more subtle.

I found that low dose ALA (25mg or lower) made me feel really good.

Any higher and I'd start to feel bad, though 50mg was " tolerably bad " .

My advice is stick to that dosage which makes you feel good. Remember

speed of removal proceeds logarithmically in chelator dose where as

side effect proceed linearly (or more).

.

" NJ " wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> After 3 months of chelating with DMSA, gradually increasing the dose, I

> added in ALA and did a 5 day round at 25mg DMSA(decreased from dose

I had

> worked up to) and 25mg ALA, on a 3 hr schedule.

>

> Day one with tha ALA, I felt a bit 'goofy', mentally. From there,

each day I

> felt a little clearer mentally -- it felt like the lights were

beginning to

> switch on in my head. By the last 2 days of the round, I was

actually doing

> some work again, for the first time in 5 months! My work is

intellectually

> demanding and requires a lot of focus and keeping various technical

elements

> in mind, and I have not been able to approach it for 5 months.

> Not saying I was completely 'back', by any means, but it was a

significant

> shift.

>

> Is this positive effect due perhaps to the excellent 'side-effects'

of ALA

> on the brain, mitochondria, enzymes, and all that, or could it

actually have

> something to do with chelation, in so short a time?

>

> I was kind of scared to end the round, but I did last night,

expecting to

> wake up with a headache at least or some crazy mental symptoms

post-round,

> but so far so good. Does this mean I do not have mercury poisoning after

> all? I'm hoping that isn't true, actually, because that would mean I

have

> lupus or some other condition that chelation won't help, according to my

> blood tests. If I do have Hg poisoning, and ALA is so beneficial, I

should

> count my lucky stars...

>

> Any insight would be helpful here... I guess I should try raising my

dose of

> aLA next time? Is this experience/pattern consistent with mercury

poisoning?

> Does one necessarily need to see negative effects to know one is Hg

> poisoned?

>

> Thanks,

> NJ

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> My advice is stick to that dosage which makes you feel good. Remember

> speed of removal proceeds logarithmically in chelator dose where as

> side effect proceed linearly (or more).

> .

Hi ,

What exactly does this mean. Can you explain it in terms easier for my brain

to grasp.

Dean

[Guest guest]

> My advice is stick to that dosage which makes you feel good. Remember

> speed of removal proceeds logarithmically in chelator dose where as

> side effect proceed linearly (or more).

> .

Hi ,

What exactly does this mean. Can you explain it in terms easier for my brain

to grasp.

Dean

[Guest guest]

> My advice is stick to that dosage which makes you feel good. Remember

> speed of removal proceeds logarithmically in chelator dose where as

> side effect proceed linearly (or more).

> .

Hi ,

What exactly does this mean. Can you explain it in terms easier for my brain

to grasp.

Dean

[Guest guest]

Sorry Dean - I meant to say speed of chelation is roughly proportional

to the *square root* of doseage used (Andy has said this in various

places).

In other words doubling ala dosage from 25mg to 50mg will only

decrease chelation time by a factor of √2 = 1.4

So instead of taking e.g. 2 years to chelate, if you double your

dosage you'll still need roughly 1 and a half years. Not such a huge

saving.

In other words it doesn't pay to take excessive dosages. Low and slow

(with tolerable side effects) is the way to go.

.

>

>

> > My advice is stick to that dosage which makes you feel good. Remember

> > speed of removal proceeds logarithmically in chelator dose where as

> > side effect proceed linearly (or more).

> > .

>

> Hi ,

> What exactly does this mean. Can you explain it in terms easier for

my brain

> to grasp.

> Dean

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Dean - I meant to say speed of chelation is roughly proportional

to the *square root* of doseage used (Andy has said this in various

places).

In other words doubling ala dosage from 25mg to 50mg will only

decrease chelation time by a factor of √2 = 1.4

So instead of taking e.g. 2 years to chelate, if you double your

dosage you'll still need roughly 1 and a half years. Not such a huge

saving.

In other words it doesn't pay to take excessive dosages. Low and slow

(with tolerable side effects) is the way to go.

.

>

>

> > My advice is stick to that dosage which makes you feel good. Remember

> > speed of removal proceeds logarithmically in chelator dose where as

> > side effect proceed linearly (or more).

> > .

>

> Hi ,

> What exactly does this mean. Can you explain it in terms easier for

my brain

> to grasp.

> Dean

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Dean - I meant to say speed of chelation is roughly proportional

to the *square root* of doseage used (Andy has said this in various

places).

In other words doubling ala dosage from 25mg to 50mg will only

decrease chelation time by a factor of √2 = 1.4

So instead of taking e.g. 2 years to chelate, if you double your

dosage you'll still need roughly 1 and a half years. Not such a huge

saving.

In other words it doesn't pay to take excessive dosages. Low and slow

(with tolerable side effects) is the way to go.

.

>

>

> > My advice is stick to that dosage which makes you feel good. Remember

> > speed of removal proceeds logarithmically in chelator dose where as

> > side effect proceed linearly (or more).

> > .

>

> Hi ,

> What exactly does this mean. Can you explain it in terms easier for

my brain

> to grasp.

> Dean

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks , , and , your comments are helpful.

Yes, i am yellow-level high in lead and arsenic on the hair test, so

that's interesting about the lead. I also understand that ALA removes

arsenic.

Also interesting about the 25mg vs 50 mg.

2nd day post-round I'm definitely backsliding, head fogging more and

fatigue worse. Which leads me to seriously question the idea of equal

time off and on rounds of ALA, in my particular case. It seems i ought

to be weighing what the waking up at night does to my stress/fatigue

level (on round) compared to what being OFF ALA does.

Interestingly, i did much better on my 25 mg Cortef on-round. The 1st

day i was off the round, i felt the need to stress-dose, and I wasn't

even doing anything demanding. Today I'm feeling very rocky with my

cortisol levels. This cannot be good for my adrenal situation.

Are the only choices here the equal time on and off round, or the

continuous round ALA which some people do? I can't see why a

compromise on this would be any worse than a continuous ALA use. I

wake during the night a lot anyway, so it may be for me a better

alternative to go continuous. With some breaks when i feel the sleep

becoming a problem. If so, i would not want those breaks to be as long

as the 'continuous' round was, for obvious reasons.

Would someone please explain to me why this would not be an option for

some (like me), or if it would. I know the advice that the purpose of

breaks is to spare stress on the body, but if it is actually more

stress for some people to be off-round, how is the equal time thing

helpful? And how is it better to do ALA continuously (as some do, and

Andy mentions as a possibility for some people) than to do long rounds

with shorter breaks (perhaps for some people)?

thanks for all your help,

NJ

>

> Feeling significantly better or significantly worse on ALA are *both*

> signs that you are mercury poisoned. The antioxidant/nutritional

> effects of ALA are much more subtle.

>

> I found that low dose ALA (25mg or lower) made me feel really good.

> Any higher and I'd start to feel bad, though 50mg was " tolerably bad " .

>

> My advice is stick to that dosage which makes you feel good. Remember

> speed of removal proceeds logarithmically in chelator dose where as

> side effect proceed linearly (or more).

>

> .

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Feeling significantly better or significantly worse on ALA are *both*

> > signs that you are mercury poisoned. The antioxidant/nutritional

> > effects of ALA are much more subtle.

> >

> > I found that low dose ALA (25mg or lower) made me feel really good.

> > Any higher and I'd start to feel bad, though 50mg was " tolerably bad " .

> >

> > My advice is stick to that dosage which makes you feel good. Remember

> > speed of removal proceeds logarithmically in chelator dose where as

> > side effect proceed linearly (or more).

> >

> > .

> >

>