Re: New and a lot of questions / great info at www.thyroid-rt3.com/

[Guest guest]

There is a ton of good RT3 info at Moderator Nick's website,

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ don't miss it!

Here's the recommended sequence: usually we try to get adrenals in good shape

first, then tackle the thyroid issue. Thyroid meds may not work well unless the

adrenals are well supported. The same goes for iron...people low in ferritin

often find themselves unable to tolerate the dose of T3 they need. Shaping up

adrenals and ferritin builds a good foundation for resolving thyroid problems.

Iron supplements upset my stomach, too. I know the recommendation is to take

them on an empty stomach, but I just can't do that. I take them after a meal

and I tolerate them much better this way. Your ferritin should be between 70

and 90, yours at 38 is pretty low, I'd bet money low ferritin is contributing to

your too-high RT3. Many here have had good results with bluebonnet iron,

150-200 mg elemental iron a day, divided into two doses (it is better absorbed

that way). Here's a link:

http://www.iherb.com/Bluebonnet-Nutrition-Chelated-Iron-90-Vcaps/11571?at=0

Oral iron can interfere with thyroid absorption, so be sure to take the T3 1

hour BEFORE Iron or 4 hours AFTER iron. (Or instead of swallowing the T3,

dissolve it under your tongue; no worries about iron interaction that way.)

If you can't raise ferritin any other way, there are Venofer Iron IV's, which I

and others on this group have had good results with. Here's a link to posts

about this:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/39622

Hope this helps.

>

> Hi,

> I'm a 49-yr old woman, diagnosed with ME/CFIDS since 1995, and on T4 only

since then. Started with 25 µg, went all the way up to 150 and now I'm on 137.5

µg.

> Have had all kind of treatments for my illness, none of which really worked.

> By coincidence, I stumbled on some info about muscle pain and thyroid issues.

That porcine thyroid med is better in some cases, etc. My specialist confirmed

this, although he added that a lot of his patients don't " tolerate " the porcine.

(didn't specify why though, I think I learned that in the meantime)

> I managed to convince my GP to support me in following me up on this, so I

ordered some Erfa. I was eager to start, because I'm tired of feeling miserable.

> I got some valuable info on the NTH and NTH-adrenal groups over here, but

since I had my RT3 tested, they referred me to this group.

>

> These are my latest test results:

> Free T4 1.34 (0.70-1.60) ng/dL

> Free T3 2.47 (2.09-3.70) pg/mL

> RT3 35.3 (9-35) ng/dL

> TSH 0.06 (0.10-4.00) mU/L

>

> Some weeks ago, I had these results:

> Iron: 67 (50-160 µg/dL)

> > Ferritin: 38 (8-190 ng/mL)

> > Cortisol (morning) : 10.9 (5-25 µg/dL)

> > ACTH: 18 (10-60 pg/mL)

> > Parathormone (intact): 14.7 (6.2-29 pg/mL)

> > FT4: 1.26 (0.7-1.8 ng/dL)

> > FT3: 2.15 (2.09-3.7 pg/mL)

> > TSH 0.09 (0.1-4 mU/L)

> > Anti-thyroglobuline: 1.6 (<9 IU/mL)

> > Anti-tpo: <0.5 (<5.6 IU/mL)

> > TSI <0.3 (<1.5 IU/L)

> > LH: 58.6 mIU/mL

> > FSH: 135.3 mIU/mL

> > ratio FSH/LH 2.3

> > Oestradiol: <14 pg/mL

> > Progesteron: 0.1 ng/mL

> > Prolactine: 10.1 (5.2-26.5 ng/mL)

> > D-4-androsteeindion: 145 (90-470 ng/dL)

> > DHEA-sulfate: 1.94 (0.1-202 µg/dL)

> > Total testosteron: 34 (10-90 ng/dL)

> > SHBG: 1.6 (1-4 µg/dL)

> > Free testo. index: 0.6 (0.1-2.8)

>

> I've been trying to get my ferritin levels up, but haven't succeeded yet. I

have some trouble tolerating the iron, as they upset my stomach (have a history

of oesophagus irritation and am on meds for that too).

>

> There's also the issue of adrenal fatigue. My specialist states that this is

due to a badly working hypothalamus, but this theory encountered some resistance

on the adrenal group (without further explanation).

>

> I have appointments with 2 different endocrinologist next month, but I'm not

getting my hopes up, because over here (Belgium) most doctors tend to follow a

more " regular " path. And since my blood results are all more or less within the

ranges, they'll probably tell me everything is OK.

>

> So what should I do/expect? Would it be at all possible that my thyroid

problem caused everything else, and that my AF is a result of this also? Should

I be taking medication only for my thyroid problem or should the adrenal issue

be addressed at the same time?

>

> I'm also menopausal and would like to go on hormone replacement therapy as

these hot flashes are really draining me and causing sleep problems, but I'm

afraid to take anything for the moment, because all these hormones interact.

>

> I'm on DHEA 25mg since 1995 and my specialist advised my to try the

7-keto-DHEA, as this is better absorbed by some (I have leaky gut). Should I

switch or wait?

>

> Sorry about the long posting, wanted to be as complete as possible.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your advice.

- I've printed all the info on the website you mention, but haven't had the

chance yet to read it all.

- About getting adrenals into shape: how is it done? Which REGULAR tests should

the doctor do for this? As I said, the saliva test isn't accepted over here.

What medication is usually given and based on what?

- Working on the iron! IV's are not an option, I don't even know if it's

possible over here. Anyways, since my iron and ferritin levels are not out of

" normal " range, my GP isn't going to give me IV's, no way.

>

> There is a ton of good RT3 info at Moderator Nick's website,

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ don't miss it!

>

> Here's the recommended sequence: usually we try to get adrenals in good shape

first, then tackle the thyroid issue. Thyroid meds may not work well unless the

adrenals are well supported. The same goes for iron...people low in ferritin

often find themselves unable to tolerate the dose of T3 they need. Shaping up

adrenals and ferritin builds a good foundation for resolving thyroid problems.

>

> Iron supplements upset my stomach, too. I know the recommendation is to take

them on an empty stomach, but I just can't do that. I take them after a meal

and I tolerate them much better this way. Your ferritin should be between 70

and 90, yours at 38 is pretty low, I'd bet money low ferritin is contributing to

your too-high RT3. Many here have had good results with bluebonnet iron,

150-200 mg elemental iron a day, divided into two doses (it is better absorbed

that way). Here's a link:

> http://www.iherb.com/Bluebonnet-Nutrition-Chelated-Iron-90-Vcaps/11571?at=0

>

> Oral iron can interfere with thyroid absorption, so be sure to take the T3 1

hour BEFORE Iron or 4 hours AFTER iron. (Or instead of swallowing the T3,

dissolve it under your tongue; no worries about iron interaction that way.)

>

> If you can't raise ferritin any other way, there are Venofer Iron IV's, which

I and others on this group have had good results with. Here's a link to posts

about this:

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/message/39622

>

> Hope this helps.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Find a doctor that does accept saliva testing or treat yourself!

Researchers are using saliva testing why won;t the doctors? Seriusly it

is the ONLY one that infallibly shows adreenal fatigue. YOU need to have

the results to knwo how to properly adjust HC.,

--

http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://faqhelp.webs.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

[Guest guest]

Val,

I'm totally with you on this and I am willing to do the test, but: what's the

use if no doctor accepts its results?

OK, it gives me a picture of my adrenals, but it's utterly useless if the doctor

pushes it aside as mumbo jumbo...

My ME-specialist won't do any additional testing, because he KNOWS I have AF...

(as a result of or as cause of, I don't know). I will mention it when I'm going

to see these endocrinologists, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

>

> Find a doctor that does accept saliva testing or treat yourself!

> Researchers are using saliva testing why won;t the doctors? Seriusly it

> is the ONLY one that infallibly shows adreenal fatigue. YOU need to have

> the results to knwo how to properly adjust HC.,

>

> --

>

> http://nthadrenalsweb.org/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://faqhelp.webs.com/

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>