Re: adrenal saliva test - Russ

[Guest guest]

Hi Russ,

I was interested to read that you had an adrenal saliva test done

through a lab in the UK and that several people from the STTM site

have had similar results to you. I'm curious as to which lab you

used. I went through NPTech and I got the same results too with high

cortisol, DHEA and testosterone. Though my results do seem on the

whole to correspond with my experience it does make me question the

reliability of the lab if lots of people are getting the same

results! I'd be interested to hear if your test results are different

with Diagnostech, I know that lab is highly recommended.

Thanks

Anne

>

> Hi Olif

>

> > " Yes, this is what happened to me! That is why I just couldn't

start

> slowly. I still can't go 4 hours in between doses, like on the STTM

> site. I have to dose 3 hours in between my first 2 morning doses and

> then 3.5 hours, and sometimes 4 hours for the following. I also take

> 2.5 mg before bed, because I need it to sleep, or I can't sleep or

> awaken with low cortisol symptoms during the night.

> >

> > If you are doing worse in the a.m., which is how I was, you

probably

> need more than 2.5 mg for that first dose. "

>

>

>

> I think you are right. I feel worse when i take 2.5mg then if i dont

> take any at all in the morning. I took 5mg this morning, and

although

> still obviously not enough, was much better than 2.5mg

>

>

> >

> > " I was raising 2.5 mg every day for a while, because I just

couldn't

> get rid of the awful symptoms. I would get internal shaking and

> eventually nausea if I didn't dose. My first symptom of low cortisol

> seems to be a heavy heart beat. I think it is racing, but when I

feel

> my pulse, I find out it isn't racing at all. It seems to be pausing

> occasionally though and just beating harder, but not faster. HC gets

> rid of it. "

>

>

>

> I too have alot of heart fluctuations. My heart flutters for a while

> and then beats quite hard again for a couple of beats. Often as well

> when i try and fall asleep, and just as i am nodding of I jerk and

> wake myself up again. Magnesium helps with this though.

>

> 2.5mg of HC at night i did for the first time last night, and i did

> find it quite relaxing and got quite a nice refreshing sleep.

>

>

>

> >

> > " Recently I increased my first dose to 10 mg, instead of 7.5,

> because I would still have the heavy heart beat in the a.m. until I

> took my 2nd dose. So far this seems to be helping. I tried taking

off

> 2.5 mg later in the afternoon, but it doesn't seem to be working.

That

> means I am at 25 mg again. Maybe in a few days to a week I can go

down

> to 22.5 again and eventually 20. I also had a couple stressful days

> and didn't stress dose. That could also be why I am requiring 25 mg

> the last couple of days " .

>

>

> > This does sound like your first dose isn't high enough. This is

when

> I had most of my problems in the beginning too- that first a.m.

dose!

>

>

>

> Thanks for the advice, it looks like as i increase i will always

have

> to keep my morning dose the highest.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > " Are your free's testing high in your blood? Did you by chance get

> saliva free's too? If they are high in your blood and low in your

> saliva, there is a chance for a thyroid dump. You might need to go

> slower than I did, since I wasn't on any thyroid support. With your

> early a.m. symptoms, it does sound like your first dose needs to be

> higher though. Maybe you can increase that one to 5 mg and hold it

for

> 2-3 days. I think if you pay attention, you can increase by symptoms

> though. Once you know what your low cortisol symptoms are, you can

> increase as you are experiencing them. Well, that is what I did and

> how I was increasing 2.5 mg everyday. I was worried the symptoms

> wouldn't go away, but they did when I got to 25 mg, and I started

> feeling really, really great! "

>

>

>

>

> Thats brilliant that you are feeling so much better Olif

>

> I have just done a saliva test for my thyroid after my blood test

> results were high, but have two weeks to wait.

>

> I did a Saliva Test in the UK, but i dont trust the results.

Cortisol

> levels were high on the pm and evening readings (when i feel better)

> and my Testosterone and DHEA-s were through the roof all day and

this

> companies testing has had the same results for a lot of people on

> STTM, so now I am waiting for the Diagnos-Techs results

>

> When I first did my thyroid blood test my Free T4 was midrange but

my

> Free T3 was low in the range. So I am now on Armour and have risen

to

> 3 grains in two months (doing the dosing on STTM). I have seen a

> specialist who also diognised me with hypothyroidism from my dry

skin,

> swollen tongue, puffy face, lowish temps (not really low get to

36.7C

> in the day but only 36.2C in the mornings), and high blood pressure

> (which has come down alot since starting Armour).

>

> However i still feel bad (slightly improved, since starting Armour

but

> not since i got to 1 and 1/2 grains) and now my Free T4 and T3 to

> close to the top of the range very quickly, so they must just be

> pooling in the blood. I also believe this as although my temps and

> blood pressure have improved, they are no where near optimal yet.

>

> I do definitely feel the need for HC, and if a get a thyroid dump,

so

> be it, as they only last for 2 or 3 days and although stressful on

the

> adrenals, i will at least know (or even confirm) much suspicions are

> correct and the thyroid can get into my cells and can improve from

there.

>

> However thanks again for the advice and will raise 2.5mg every 2

days

> i think.

>

> I will let you know what level of dosage i get to LOL.

>

> Russ

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Russ,

I was interested to read that you had an adrenal saliva test done

through a lab in the UK and that several people from the STTM site

have had similar results to you. I'm curious as to which lab you

used. I went through NPTech and I got the same results too with high

cortisol, DHEA and testosterone. Though my results do seem on the

whole to correspond with my experience it does make me question the

reliability of the lab if lots of people are getting the same

results! I'd be interested to hear if your test results are different

with Diagnostech, I know that lab is highly recommended.

Thanks

Anne

>

> Hi Olif

>

> > " Yes, this is what happened to me! That is why I just couldn't

start

> slowly. I still can't go 4 hours in between doses, like on the STTM

> site. I have to dose 3 hours in between my first 2 morning doses and

> then 3.5 hours, and sometimes 4 hours for the following. I also take

> 2.5 mg before bed, because I need it to sleep, or I can't sleep or

> awaken with low cortisol symptoms during the night.

> >

> > If you are doing worse in the a.m., which is how I was, you

probably

> need more than 2.5 mg for that first dose. "

>

>

>

> I think you are right. I feel worse when i take 2.5mg then if i dont

> take any at all in the morning. I took 5mg this morning, and

although

> still obviously not enough, was much better than 2.5mg

>

>

> >

> > " I was raising 2.5 mg every day for a while, because I just

couldn't

> get rid of the awful symptoms. I would get internal shaking and

> eventually nausea if I didn't dose. My first symptom of low cortisol

> seems to be a heavy heart beat. I think it is racing, but when I

feel

> my pulse, I find out it isn't racing at all. It seems to be pausing

> occasionally though and just beating harder, but not faster. HC gets

> rid of it. "

>

>

>

> I too have alot of heart fluctuations. My heart flutters for a while

> and then beats quite hard again for a couple of beats. Often as well

> when i try and fall asleep, and just as i am nodding of I jerk and

> wake myself up again. Magnesium helps with this though.

>

> 2.5mg of HC at night i did for the first time last night, and i did

> find it quite relaxing and got quite a nice refreshing sleep.

>

>

>

> >

> > " Recently I increased my first dose to 10 mg, instead of 7.5,

> because I would still have the heavy heart beat in the a.m. until I

> took my 2nd dose. So far this seems to be helping. I tried taking

off

> 2.5 mg later in the afternoon, but it doesn't seem to be working.

That

> means I am at 25 mg again. Maybe in a few days to a week I can go

down

> to 22.5 again and eventually 20. I also had a couple stressful days

> and didn't stress dose. That could also be why I am requiring 25 mg

> the last couple of days " .

>

>

> > This does sound like your first dose isn't high enough. This is

when

> I had most of my problems in the beginning too- that first a.m.

dose!

>

>

>

> Thanks for the advice, it looks like as i increase i will always

have

> to keep my morning dose the highest.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > " Are your free's testing high in your blood? Did you by chance get

> saliva free's too? If they are high in your blood and low in your

> saliva, there is a chance for a thyroid dump. You might need to go

> slower than I did, since I wasn't on any thyroid support. With your

> early a.m. symptoms, it does sound like your first dose needs to be

> higher though. Maybe you can increase that one to 5 mg and hold it

for

> 2-3 days. I think if you pay attention, you can increase by symptoms

> though. Once you know what your low cortisol symptoms are, you can

> increase as you are experiencing them. Well, that is what I did and

> how I was increasing 2.5 mg everyday. I was worried the symptoms

> wouldn't go away, but they did when I got to 25 mg, and I started

> feeling really, really great! "

>

>

>

>

> Thats brilliant that you are feeling so much better Olif

>

> I have just done a saliva test for my thyroid after my blood test

> results were high, but have two weeks to wait.

>

> I did a Saliva Test in the UK, but i dont trust the results.

Cortisol

> levels were high on the pm and evening readings (when i feel better)

> and my Testosterone and DHEA-s were through the roof all day and

this

> companies testing has had the same results for a lot of people on

> STTM, so now I am waiting for the Diagnos-Techs results

>

> When I first did my thyroid blood test my Free T4 was midrange but

my

> Free T3 was low in the range. So I am now on Armour and have risen

to

> 3 grains in two months (doing the dosing on STTM). I have seen a

> specialist who also diognised me with hypothyroidism from my dry

skin,

> swollen tongue, puffy face, lowish temps (not really low get to

36.7C

> in the day but only 36.2C in the mornings), and high blood pressure

> (which has come down alot since starting Armour).

>

> However i still feel bad (slightly improved, since starting Armour

but

> not since i got to 1 and 1/2 grains) and now my Free T4 and T3 to

> close to the top of the range very quickly, so they must just be

> pooling in the blood. I also believe this as although my temps and

> blood pressure have improved, they are no where near optimal yet.

>

> I do definitely feel the need for HC, and if a get a thyroid dump,

so

> be it, as they only last for 2 or 3 days and although stressful on

the

> adrenals, i will at least know (or even confirm) much suspicions are

> correct and the thyroid can get into my cells and can improve from

there.

>

> However thanks again for the advice and will raise 2.5mg every 2

days

> i think.

>

> I will let you know what level of dosage i get to LOL.

>

> Russ

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne

Yes it was NP Tech.

Here were my results

Salivary Testosterone

8am 2050 175-735 pmol/L

12pm 1100 175-735 pmol/L

4pm 1040 175-735 pmol/L

12am 450 175-735 pmol/L

Salivary Cortisol

8am 28.5 6.0 to 33 nmol/L

12pm 14.5 4.0 to 28 nmol/L

4pm 13.0 4.0 to 11.8 nmol/L

12am 5.0 1.0 to 5.0 nmol/L

Salivary DHEA

8am 33.7 4.0 to 29.0 nmol/L

12pm 29.4 2.5 to 13 nmol/L

4pm 35.8 2.0 to 6.0 nmol/L

12am 17.1 1.0 to 4.0 nmol/L

From my hair results, (with high Sodium and Potassium and low

magnesium) it does suggest my adrenals are struggling.

I always fail the pupil test all the time. (To test this from the side

(not the front), shine a bright light like a flashlight or penlight

towards your pupils and hold it for about a minute. Carefully observe

the pupil. With healthy adrenals, your pupils will constrict, and will

stay small the entire time you shine the light from the side. In

adrenal fatigue, the pupil will get small, but it will soon enlarge

again or obviously flutter in it's attempt to stay constricted.)

I often fail (50%) when standing after lying down my blood pressure

drops) and my temps drop after excercise all leading to poor

functioning adrenals. I dont suffer at all to stress well at all, and

do have some OCD symptoms.

I will post up my adrenal results with Diagnostech in a couple of

weeks, when i get them.

But the suspicion is that NPTech results do often appear high in

Testosterone, and DHEA quite a lot from the STTM website.

Russ

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne

Yes it was NP Tech.

Here were my results

Salivary Testosterone

8am 2050 175-735 pmol/L

12pm 1100 175-735 pmol/L

4pm 1040 175-735 pmol/L

12am 450 175-735 pmol/L

Salivary Cortisol

8am 28.5 6.0 to 33 nmol/L

12pm 14.5 4.0 to 28 nmol/L

4pm 13.0 4.0 to 11.8 nmol/L

12am 5.0 1.0 to 5.0 nmol/L

Salivary DHEA

8am 33.7 4.0 to 29.0 nmol/L

12pm 29.4 2.5 to 13 nmol/L

4pm 35.8 2.0 to 6.0 nmol/L

12am 17.1 1.0 to 4.0 nmol/L

From my hair results, (with high Sodium and Potassium and low

magnesium) it does suggest my adrenals are struggling.

I always fail the pupil test all the time. (To test this from the side

(not the front), shine a bright light like a flashlight or penlight

towards your pupils and hold it for about a minute. Carefully observe

the pupil. With healthy adrenals, your pupils will constrict, and will

stay small the entire time you shine the light from the side. In

adrenal fatigue, the pupil will get small, but it will soon enlarge

again or obviously flutter in it's attempt to stay constricted.)

I often fail (50%) when standing after lying down my blood pressure

drops) and my temps drop after excercise all leading to poor

functioning adrenals. I dont suffer at all to stress well at all, and

do have some OCD symptoms.

I will post up my adrenal results with Diagnostech in a couple of

weeks, when i get them.

But the suspicion is that NPTech results do often appear high in

Testosterone, and DHEA quite a lot from the STTM website.

Russ

[Guest guest]

Thanks Russ,

My saliva results were similar to yours and classed as normal but I

had the same signs as you like low blood pressure and crashing after

too much physical exertion and I'd had chronic fatigue for several

years anyway so I knew had a lot of adrenal insufficiency. I dont

think we should rely on tests but I think I will use a different lab

for any future tests I have as what you say does raise questions

about the credibility of NPTech. It will be interesting to see how

your results compare with Diagnostech.

Cheers,

Anne

>

> Hi Anne

>

> Yes it was NP Tech.

>

> Here were my results

>

> Salivary Testosterone

>

> 8am 2050 175-735 pmol/L

> 12pm 1100 175-735 pmol/L

> 4pm 1040 175-735 pmol/L

> 12am 450 175-735 pmol/L

>

> Salivary Cortisol

>

> 8am 28.5 6.0 to 33 nmol/L

> 12pm 14.5 4.0 to 28 nmol/L

> 4pm 13.0 4.0 to 11.8 nmol/L

> 12am 5.0 1.0 to 5.0 nmol/L

>

> Salivary DHEA

>

> 8am 33.7 4.0 to 29.0 nmol/L

> 12pm 29.4 2.5 to 13 nmol/L

> 4pm 35.8 2.0 to 6.0 nmol/L

> 12am 17.1 1.0 to 4.0 nmol/L

>

> From my hair results, (with high Sodium and Potassium and low

> magnesium) it does suggest my adrenals are struggling.

>

> I always fail the pupil test all the time. (To test this from the

side

> (not the front), shine a bright light like a flashlight or penlight

> towards your pupils and hold it for about a minute. Carefully

observe

> the pupil. With healthy adrenals, your pupils will constrict, and

will

> stay small the entire time you shine the light from the side. In

> adrenal fatigue, the pupil will get small, but it will soon enlarge

> again or obviously flutter in it's attempt to stay constricted.)

>

> I often fail (50%) when standing after lying down my blood pressure

> drops) and my temps drop after excercise all leading to poor

> functioning adrenals. I dont suffer at all to stress well at all,

and

> do have some OCD symptoms.

>

> I will post up my adrenal results with Diagnostech in a couple of

> weeks, when i get them.

>

> But the suspicion is that NPTech results do often appear high in

> Testosterone, and DHEA quite a lot from the STTM website.

>

> Russ

>