Re: [NEMSMA List Serv] Re: Hiring in the DFW area

June 11, 2009

And how many hours a week do your yard workers tend the lawns at Rancho De

Bledsoe???

I can advertise an hourly rate of $200 a hour for paramedics...but if I only

work you 2 hours a week, it isn't nearly as good a deal as $15 an hour and

working 40 hours a week.

What hourly rate do physicians normally make? Lets start with say Trauma

Surgeons? At what point do they start accruing overtime?

We are a profession...yet we still get all twisted up about an hourly

rate...plus this is a municipality in Texas. Most municipalities have a pay

plan that they insert departments and positions into and this causes a whole

host of issues to those folks who are not locked into such things..

For instance, our city's pay plan shows our medics would make approximately $35K

a year with an hourly rate of around $16.40 an hour....but the actual hourly

rates our medics make are either $13.70 or $9.13 depending upon their schedule

each week (we pay differing hourly rates based upon fluctuating work weeks).

After a year of working 24/48's, our medics end up with approx $39K...and then

on top of that, are another approximately 35% for benefits (I know the employees

never see it...so it doesn't count) but this includes health insurance,

retirement (a 2:1 match for our employees with a mandatory 7% submission by the

employee) and other good benefits.

So, when you see a single hourly rate, with no explanations of work hours and

other business practices then any supposition drawn from that will probably be

faulty.

Just my $0.02

Dudley

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Sent: Thu 6/11/2009 7:36 AM

To: texasems-l ; Paramedicine ;

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Cc: johnstonj@...; , Weslie

Subject: [NEMSMA List Serv] Re: Hiring in the DFW area

I pay my yard people from Mexico $12 an hour.

This is crazy... According to the posting the Firefighter / Paramedic

" Must be currently certified as both a Basic Firefighter through the

Texas Commission on Fire Protection, and as a Paramedic through the

Texas Department of State Health Services " yet the dispatcher does not

have to have any certifications and makes more money??? And the Dog

Catcher starts at $13.08 an hour with no certification... What is wrong

with this picture????

Les

NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF

Senior Safety Coordinator

Westlake Chemical

P.O. Box 228

36045 Highway 30

Geismar, LA 70734-0228

e-mail: lpowell@...

Telephone:

Fax:

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Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 02:40

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Subject: RE: Hiring in the DFW area

> http://www.cityofazle.org/index.aspx?NID=130

http://www.cityofazle.org/index.aspx?NID=130>

Holy Jeebus!

Firefighter/Paramedic - $11.00/hr.

Police Dispatcher - $14.49/hr.

What century is this again?

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June 11, 2009

See comments in text of email:

>

> And how many hours a week do your yard workers tend the lawns at Rancho De

> Bledsoe???

>

> BEB: Usually 45 a week but that is only during the warmer months. They have

> yet to unionize.

>

> I can advertise an hourly rate of $200 a hour for paramedics...but if I only

> work you 2 hours a week, it isn't nearly as good a deal as $15 an hour and

> working 40 hours a week.

>

> BEB: I am not an economist, but your theory seems correct.

>

> What hourly rate do physicians normally make? Lets start with say Trauma

> Surgeons? At what point do they start accruing overtime?

>

> BEB: EM docs do $150 to $250 an hour depending upon location, experience and

> supply. Surgeons are either salaried or paid for procedures. There is no

> overtime in medicine except at the VA and civil service jobs.

>

> We are a profession...yet we still get all twisted up about an hourly

> rate...plus this is a municipality in Texas. Most municipalities have a pay

> plan that they insert departments and positions into and this causes a whole

> host of issues to those folks who are not locked into such things..

>

> For instance, our city's pay plan shows our medics would make approximately

> $35K a year with an hourly rate of around $16.40 an hour....but the actual

> hourly rates our medics make are either $13.70 or $9.13 depending upon their

> schedule each week (we pay differing hourly rates based upon fluctuating work

> weeks). After a year of working 24/48's, our medics end up with approx

> $39K...and then on top of that, are another approximately 35% for benefits (I

> know the employees never see it...so it doesn't count) but this includes

> health insurance, retirement (a 2:1 match for our employees with a mandatory

> 7% submission by the employee) and other good benefits.

>

> So, when you see a single hourly rate, with no explanations of work hours and

> other business practices then any supposition drawn from that will probably be

> faulty.

>

> BEB: I agree. But, EMS people still look at the hourly rate because they are

> young and their only point of reference was their job at Wal-Mart or Taco

> Bell. When I was a paramedic in the 70s, we made $3.50 an hour. We worked a

> minimum of 84 hours a week and made, overall, fair money for the time. But, we

> worked more than twice what the average US employee makes. Now that I have

> spent some time out west, where many of the EMS services are unionized, I see

> more and more attention to better pay and benefits and less hours. In Texas

> and much of the south you still have to work a shitload of hours to make a

> living.

>

> Just my $0.02 (that would be a dime in Nevada and California)

>

> Dudley

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: nemsma (AT) google on behalf of

> Bledsoe

> Sent: Thu 6/11/2009 7:36 AM

> To: texasems-l ;

> Paramedicine ;

> nemsma (AT) google

> Cc: johnstonj@... ; , Weslie

> Subject: [NEMSMA List Serv] Re: Hiring in the DFW area

>

> I pay my yard people from Mexico $12 an hour.

>

> On 6/11/09 7:30 AM, " , Les " lpowell@...

> > wrote:

>

> This is crazy... According to the posting the Firefighter / Paramedic

> " Must be currently certified as both a Basic Firefighter through the

> Texas Commission on Fire Protection, and as a Paramedic through the

> Texas Department of State Health Services " yet the dispatcher does not

> have to have any certifications and makes more money??? And the Dog

> Catcher starts at $13.08 an hour with no certification... What is wrong

> with this picture????

>

> Les

>

> NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF

>

> Senior Safety Coordinator

>

> Westlake Chemical

>

> P.O. Box 228

>

> 36045 Highway 30

>

> Geismar, LA 70734-0228

>

> e-mail: lpowell@...

>

> Telephone:

>

> Fax:

>

> Cell: 225.439-6552

>

> Industrial Fire World Advisory Board - Industrial Fire World

> http://www.fireworld.com/>

>

> Immediate Past President: American Society of Safety Engineers -

> Sabine-Neches Chapter http://www.snc.asse.org/>

>

> Affiliate Advisory Council - Texas: National Association of Emergency

> Medical Technicians http://www.naemt.org/>

>

> Board of Directors - Emergency Medical Services Association of Texas

> (EMSAT) http://www.texasemsat.org/>

>

> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the

> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended

> only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and

> may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review,

> retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action

> in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the

> intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you received this in error,

> please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer,

> disk drive, diskette, or other storage device or media.

>

> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " -

> Abraham Lincoln

>

> SAVE THE DATE!

>

> Industrial Fire World Emergency Responder Conference & Expo

>

> Crowne Plaza Hotel - Baton Rouge, LA

>

> 22-26 February 2010

>

> http://goforward.bm23.com/public/?q=ulink&fn=Link&ssid=10530&id=ej3dmzz

> shht66mp4v16u49em0zerm&id2=f6yuu3kkdil5ks4jm1ehvod7khz1a>

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: texasems-l

> [mailto:texasems-l

> ]

> On

> Behalf Of rob.davis@...

>

> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 02:40

> To: texasems-l

>

> Subject: RE: Hiring in the DFW area

>

>> > http://www.cityofazle.org/index.aspx?NID=130

> http://www.cityofazle.org/index.aspx?NID=130>

>

> Holy Jeebus!

>

> Firefighter/Paramedic - $11.00/hr.

>

> Police Dispatcher - $14.49/hr.

>

> What century is this again?

>

> ***** Named to Fortune's 1000 list for 2009****

>

> ***** Ranked in Industry Week's " 1000 Largest Manufacturing Companies in the

> World " 2009 list. *****

>

> *

June 11, 2009

And that pay is acceptable. Come on.. This is the thing management has always

done.. adjust the hourly rate. I live in Arlington and have family that recently

retired at the rank of Captain. The city is also served by AMR, unfortunately.

The FD gets paid an hourly rate period. Let someone like AMR come in and then

you get low paid workers who have to sit on a street corner, thanks to the great

SSM, and wait on that call. Paying different hourly rates based on one's work

week is ridiculous. Suck it up and pay these folks what they are WORTH...Not how

many hours they work..Always trying to save money at the expense of the

employees.

This reminds me of when companys would pay you to work a box but if you went to

sleep and did not get a call then they would not pay you. How many of y'all

remember that??????

Good thing the city of Arlington doesnt do this to there FD or they would be

outta here.

You guys just had to pick a subject that gets under my skin. That is why folks

like me get out of the business for a living. No one gives a shit as long as the

upper folks get their pockets stuffed with the field employees money.

Oh and benefits, most of the employees cant afford to have the deductions taken

out. They need that money to feed their kiddos...

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Paramedicine ; nemsma (AT) google

Cc: johnstonj@...; Weslie.@...

Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:04:47 AM

Subject: RE: [NEMSMA List Serv] Re: Hiring in the DFW area

And how many hours a week do your yard workers tend the lawns at Rancho De

Bledsoe???

I can advertise an hourly rate of $200 a hour for paramedics.. .but if I only

work you 2 hours a week, it isn't nearly as good a deal as $15 an hour and

working 40 hours a week.

What hourly rate do physicians normally make? Lets start with say Trauma

Surgeons? At what point do they start accruing overtime?

We are a profession.. .yet we still get all twisted up about an hourly